Erilar

In article <[email protected]>,
"Stephen Clark" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:lv%[email protected]...
> >
> > "TMOliver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote t...
> >>>
>
> >>
> >
> > Flights to the USA from the UK are odd.
> >
> > For a start there are an awful lot of them to a variety of airports in the
> > USA, but from very few airports in the UK. I can fly direct to
> > Philadelphia or Atlanta from Manchester, but not New York or Dallas,
> > (well, I can get to Newark, which is actually worse for me than a change
> > and onwards to JFK) for reasons that have nothing to do with anything very
> > much
> >
> BA fly from Manchester direct to JFK and BMI fly direct from Manchester to
> Chicago (and Las Vegas?)

I did notice direct flights to Manchester from Chicago(which is where I
usually start), but beyond that the planes seem to stop at Heathrow one
way or the other--I think it was on the return flight, which struck me
as odd. If I have to change planes, I want it to be in Germany 8-)

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"William Black" wrote:

>Flights to the USA from the UK are odd.
>For a start there are an awful lot of them to a variety of airports in the
>USA, but from very few airports in the UK. I can fly direct to Philadelphia
>or Atlanta from Manchester, but not New York or Dallas, (well, I can get
>to Newark, which is actually worse for me than a change and onwards to JFK)
>for reasons that have nothing to do with anything very much

..er ..really?
EWR to GLA, EDI, and BRS
PHL to GLA in summer
ATL (changing to JFK) to EDI
For Midtown Manhattan, EWR and JFK are equally
convenient (or inconvenient as you see fit)
It makes sense that flights from smaller UK airports
should go to hubs on the US eastern seaboard.

Hatunen

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:07:39 -0700, [email protected]
wrote:

> "William Black" wrote:
>
>>Flights to the USA from the UK are odd.
>>For a start there are an awful lot of them to a variety of airports in the
>>USA, but from very few airports in the UK. I can fly direct to Philadelphia
>>or Atlanta from Manchester, but not New York or Dallas, (well, I can get
>>to Newark, which is actually worse for me than a change and onwards to JFK)
>>for reasons that have nothing to do with anything very much
>
>..er ..really?
>EWR to GLA, EDI, and BRS
>PHL to GLA in summer
>ATL (changing to JFK) to EDI
>For Midtown Manhattan, EWR and JFK are equally
>convenient (or inconvenient as you see fit)
>It makes sense that flights from smaller UK airports
>should go to hubs on the US eastern seaboard.

The federal government controls which foreign airline can fly to
which American city. And then, of course, the airport has to have
available landing slots.

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Tchiowa

On Aug 3, 1:02 am, Jean Valjean <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Cretin, the article is being published worldwide, so that potential tourists
> to the UK know IN ADVANCE about the HORRORS of Heathrow.
>
> When they know, they can then make an informed decision, such as to AVOID
> Heathrow, and use a more civilised airport, whether Manchester, Schiphil,
> Frankfurt and Paris even.

Hang on a second. You're trying to say that Paris has a better
airport? CDG? When is it better? On alternate Tuesdays when there
isn't a strike?

I've seen more chaos at CDG than in Nigeria or Angola airports.

Tim.....

"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:07:39 -0700, [email protected]
> wrote:
>
>> "William Black" wrote:
>>
>>>Flights to the USA from the UK are odd.
>>>For a start there are an awful lot of them to a variety of airports in
>>>the
>>>USA, but from very few airports in the UK. I can fly direct to
>>>Philadelphia
>>>or Atlanta from Manchester, but not New York or Dallas, (well, I can
>>>get
>>>to Newark, which is actually worse for me than a change and onwards to
>>>JFK)
>>>for reasons that have nothing to do with anything very much
>>
>>..er ..really?
>>EWR to GLA, EDI, and BRS
>>PHL to GLA in summer
>>ATL (changing to JFK) to EDI
>>For Midtown Manhattan, EWR and JFK are equally
>>convenient (or inconvenient as you see fit)
>>It makes sense that flights from smaller UK airports
>>should go to hubs on the US eastern seaboard.
>
> The federal government controls which foreign airline can fly to
> which American city.

Not any more it doesn't. It's agreed to give up that right
in return for Europe doing the same.

tim


> And then, of course, the airport has to have
> available landing slots.
>
> --
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> * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
> * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

-Mimi

"Stephen Clark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> "TMOliver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote t...
>>>>
>
>>>
>>
>> Flights to the USA from the UK are odd.
>>
>> For a start there are an awful lot of them to a variety of airports in
>> the USA, but from very few airports in the UK. I can fly direct to
>> Philadelphia or Atlanta from Manchester, but not New York or Dallas,
>> (well, I can get to Newark, which is actually worse for me than a
>> change and onwards to JFK) for reasons that have nothing to do with
>> anything very much
>>
> BA fly from Manchester direct to JFK and BMI fly direct from Manchester to
> Chicago (and Las Vegas?)

Direct? Or non-stop?

Marianne

David Horne

William Black <[email protected]> wrote:

> "d.g.s." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 8/18/2007 4:15 AM [email protected] jumped down, turned around, and
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Aug 17, 3:43 pm, Jim McCarthy <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>> You must be a braindead cretin, that you fail to realise that many. many
> >>> readers of the ng are travellers to Europe, many through Heathrow!!
> >>>
> >>> Of course they are interested in all the problems with Heathrow.
> >>>
> >> Not really. Flights through Heathrow are generally a bit cheaper than
> >> those using other airports. And that is all that matters, isn't it?
> >
> > Eh? Given that the likes of Ryanair and easyJet don't even operate out
> > of Heathrow, that's not generally true.
>
> It is if you want to travel a long way.
>
> Ryanair and Easyjet don't even cross the Atlantic, never mind do the long
> trips to Asia.
>
> If you are flying 'long haul' then Heathrow is significantly cheaper.

Flying transatlantically to the US in recent years, it has always been
cheaper for me to fly via Schiphol (and in one case CDG) from
Manchester, than on direct flights or flights via LON.

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David Horne

William Black <[email protected]> wrote:

> "TMOliver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote t...
> >>
> >>
> >> If you are flying 'long haul' then Heathrow is significantly cheaper.
> >>
> >>
> > Only lately have I had access to direct service into LHR from DFW, since
> > AA was exiled to Gatwick. For me and several millions of others
> > hereabouts, flights to GTW were usually cheaper than service to LHR.
> > Non-stop they were quicker, and DFW's an hour closer driving that IAH.
> >
>
> Flights to the USA from the UK are odd.
>
> For a start there are an awful lot of them to a variety of airports in the
> USA, but from very few airports in the UK. I can fly direct to Philadelphia
> or Atlanta from Manchester, but not New York or Dallas, (well, I can get
> to Newark, which is actually worse for me than a change and onwards to JFK)
> for reasons that have nothing to do with anything very much

Newark is a "New York" airport, and for Manhattan is just as convenient-
in some ways more so. But, you can fly from Manchester to JFK if you
want to. Both Delta and BA fly there on separate daily flights. Even
Pakistan International Airlines fly there, but not daily...

Dallas isn't _so_ strange. There are only two daily flights from the UK
to Dallas, and they're not from Heathrow! (Chicago is just as good a hub
for UK passengers as Dallas in most cases.) Philadelphia and Atlanta are
big hubs for those airlines- a lot of the passengers from Manchester are
going elsewhere...

> I can fly to the Middle East and onwards to Asia from just about everywhere
> in the UK (This year it looks like it'll be from Newcastle) but if I want to
> fly to the USA I have to use either one of the London airports or
> Manchester, and the London airports are significantly cheaper.

There aren't that many middle east flights from Manchester, though, and
only one from Newcastle...

[]
> But, to get to the point, I don't think it's possible for you to fly
> direct to a UK provincial airport, and it isn't possible for me to fly
> direct to New York (JFK) from a UK provincial airport,

You can fly to New York from Glasgow, Edinburgh, Birmingham, Bristol as
well as Manchester. As I mentioned, EWR is as much a New York airport as
JFK is, and Manchester flies there anyway.


> for reasons that
> have nothing to do with the level of business available for such flights.

How do you know?

> And yet, for some reason, flights to JFK from Heathrow are cheaper...

There's nothing odd about it. Demand, hubs, all that kind of stuff.

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-JohnT

"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1i373q7.rjqxfs184f5dzN%[email protected]...
> William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "TMOliver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote t...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If you are flying 'long haul' then Heathrow is significantly cheaper.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Only lately have I had access to direct service into LHR from DFW,
>> > since
>> > AA was exiled to Gatwick. For me and several millions of others
>> > hereabouts, flights to GTW were usually cheaper than service to LHR.
>> > Non-stop they were quicker, and DFW's an hour closer driving that IAH.
>> >
>>
>> Flights to the USA from the UK are odd.
>>
>> For a start there are an awful lot of them to a variety of airports in
>> the
>> USA, but from very few airports in the UK. I can fly direct to
>> Philadelphia
>> or Atlanta from Manchester, but not New York or Dallas, (well, I can
>> get
>> to Newark, which is actually worse for me than a change and onwards to
>> JFK)
>> for reasons that have nothing to do with anything very much
>
> Newark is a "New York" airport, and for Manhattan is just as convenient-
> in some ways more so. But, you can fly from Manchester to JFK if you
> want to. Both Delta and BA fly there on separate daily flights. Even
> Pakistan International Airlines fly there, but not daily...
>
> Dallas isn't _so_ strange. There are only two daily flights from the UK
> to Dallas, and they're not from Heathrow! (Chicago is just as good a hub
> for UK passengers as Dallas in most cases.) Philadelphia and Atlanta are
> big hubs for those airlines- a lot of the passengers from Manchester are
> going elsewhere...
>


Until recently, there were 4 daily non-stops from LGW to DFW; 3 on AA and
one on BA. AA have reduced their daily frequency to two, so there are now 3
daily flights. DFW is a much better hub for some destinations on the AA
network - for example to Ontario, California where I fly regularly. PHX (by
BA from LHR) is also a good hub. And it is worth mentioning that the flights
to DFW out of LGW transfer to LHR in April 2008.
--

JohnT

David Horne

JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:

> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1i373q7.rjqxfs184f5dzN%[email protected]...
[]
> > Dallas isn't _so_ strange. There are only two daily flights from the UK
> > to Dallas, and they're not from Heathrow! (Chicago is just as good a hub
> > for UK passengers as Dallas in most cases.) Philadelphia and Atlanta are
> > big hubs for those airlines- a lot of the passengers from Manchester are
> > going elsewhere...
> >
>
>
> Until recently, there were 4 daily non-stops from LGW to DFW; 3 on AA and
> one on BA. AA have reduced their daily frequency to two, so there are now 3
> daily flights.

I hadn't realised it was that many, but even then, that's not many.
Boston has 5 from London, and it's not really that big a hub- but
probably more popular to fly to.

> DFW is a much better hub for some destinations on the AA
> network

Which is why I said "in most cases."

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Mrtravel

William Black wrote:

> "TMOliver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote t...
>>
>>>
>>>If you are flying 'long haul' then Heathrow is significantly cheaper.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Only lately have I had access to direct service into LHR from DFW, since
>>AA was exiled to Gatwick. For me and several millions of others
>>hereabouts, flights to GTW were usually cheaper than service to LHR.
>>Non-stop they were quicker, and DFW's an hour closer driving that IAH.
>>
>
>
> Flights to the USA from the UK are odd.
>
> For a start there are an awful lot of them to a variety of airports in the
> USA, but from very few airports in the UK. I can fly direct to Philadelphia
> or Atlanta from Manchester, but not New York or Dallas, (well, I can get
> to Newark, which is actually worse for me than a change and onwards to JFK)
> for reasons that have nothing to do with anything very much

How is adding a connection make it better to go to JFK than a nonstop to
EWR? What is your destination in the NYC area?

Gregory Morrow

mrtravel moronically wrote:


> William Black wrote:
> > "TMOliver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected].. .
>
> >>"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote t...
>
> >>>If you are flying 'long haul' then Heathrow is significantly cheaper.
>
> >>Only lately have I had access to direct service into LHR from DFW, since
> >>AA was exiled to Gatwick. For me and several millions of others
> >>hereabouts, flights to GTW were usually cheaper than service to LHR.
> >>Non-stop they were quicker, and DFW's an hour closer driving that IAH.
>
> > Flights to the USA from the UK are odd.
>
> > For a start there are an awful lot of them to a variety of airports in the
> > USA, but from very few airports in the UK. I can fly direct to Philadelphia
> > or Atlanta from Manchester, but not New York or Dallas, (well, I can get
> > to Newark, which is actually worse for me than a change and onwards to JFK)
> > for reasons that have nothing to do with anything very much
>
> How is adding a connection make it better to go to JFK than a nonstop to
> EWR? What is your destination in the NYC area?


Oh, why don't you just SHUT UP...


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Greg

Mrtravel

Gregory Morrow wrote:

> mrtravel moronically wrote:
>
>
>
>>William Black wrote:
>>
>>>"TMOliver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected].. .
>>
>>>>"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote t...
>>
>>>>>If you are flying 'long haul' then Heathrow is significantly cheaper.
>>
>>>>Only lately have I had access to direct service into LHR from DFW, since
>>>>AA was exiled to Gatwick. For me and several millions of others
>>>>hereabouts, flights to GTW were usually cheaper than service to LHR.
>>>>Non-stop they were quicker, and DFW's an hour closer driving that IAH.
>>
>>>Flights to the USA from the UK are odd.
>>
>>>For a start there are an awful lot of them to a variety of airports in the
>>>USA, but from very few airports in the UK. I can fly direct to Philadelphia
>>>or Atlanta from Manchester, but not New York or Dallas, (well, I can get
>>>to Newark, which is actually worse for me than a change and onwards to JFK)
>>>for reasons that have nothing to do with anything very much
>>
>>How is adding a connection make it better to go to JFK than a nonstop to
>>EWR? What is your destination in the NYC area?
>
>
>
> Oh, why don't you just SHUT UP...
>

Wow. Now you really added a lot to the discussion, didn't you?
Did you stop porking your sister?

Gregory Morrow

mrtravel wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > mrtravel moronically wrote:
>
> >>William Black wrote:
>
> >>>"TMOliver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected].. .
>
> >>>>"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote t...
>
> >>>>>If you are flying 'long haul' then Heathrow is significantly cheaper.
>
> >>>>Only lately have I had access to direct service into LHR from DFW, since
> >>>>AA was exiled to Gatwick. For me and several millions of others
> >>>>hereabouts, flights to GTW were usually cheaper than service to LHR.
> >>>>Non-stop they were quicker, and DFW's an hour closer driving that IAH.
>
> >>>Flights to the USA from the UK are odd.
>
> >>>For a start there are an awful lot of them to a variety of airports in the
> >>>USA, but from very few airports in the UK. I can fly direct to Philadelphia
> >>>or Atlanta from Manchester, but not New York or Dallas, (well, I can get
> >>>to Newark, which is actually worse for me than a change and onwards to JFK)
> >>>for reasons that have nothing to do with anything very much
>
> >>How is adding a connection make it better to go to JFK than a nonstop to
> >>EWR? What is your destination in the NYC area?
>
> > Oh, why don't you just SHUT UP...
>
> Wow. Now you really added a lot to the discussion, didn't you?


I see that you are INCESSANTLY trolling as always ...nothing new to
see, move RIGHT along...


> Did you stop porking your sister


Did you stop porking your Russian green card wife's daughters...???


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Greg