living in europe
Sep 19th 2005, 10:12 pm
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Re: living in europe
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:13:21 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, DDT Filled Mormons
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this :
... On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:54:11 +0200, Magda <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
... >On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:00:23 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, DDT Filled Mormons
... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
... >this :
... >
... > ... On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:09:01 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
... > ... wrote:
... > ...
... > ... >Age is not an impediment to the acquisition of additional languages.
... > ...
... > ... Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
... >
... >No, it is not.
...
... Yes it is. Young people are much more able than older. You may be the
... exception.
Me, and Julie, and my elderly schoolmates, and many millions of people...
Stock up the Viagra, DDT.
... >If you really buy this urban legend, I pity you - in a few years you'll think you are "too
... >old" for many things.
... >
... >(Don't stock up the Viagra - if you need it, you are too old for sex... :pp)
...
... I wont be needing it for a while yet.
Better safe than sorry.
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this :
... On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:54:11 +0200, Magda <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
... >On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:00:23 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, DDT Filled Mormons
... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
... >this :
... >
... > ... On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:09:01 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
... > ... wrote:
... > ...
... > ... >Age is not an impediment to the acquisition of additional languages.
... > ...
... > ... Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
... >
... >No, it is not.
...
... Yes it is. Young people are much more able than older. You may be the
... exception.
Me, and Julie, and my elderly schoolmates, and many millions of people...
Stock up the Viagra, DDT.
... >If you really buy this urban legend, I pity you - in a few years you'll think you are "too
... >old" for many things.
... >
... >(Don't stock up the Viagra - if you need it, you are too old for sex... :pp)
...
... I wont be needing it for a while yet.
Better safe than sorry.
Sep 19th 2005, 10:13 pm
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Re: living in europe
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:10:27 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, DDT Filled Mormons
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this :
... On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:19:45 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
... >DDT Filled Mormons writes:
... >
... >> Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
... >
... >Young people generally want to learn more than older people.
... >Motivation is everything, especially in language acquisition.
... >
... >However, there's no significant change in aptitude with age.
...
... The motivation is by far the greatest factor in it, and thus if it
... tends to decrease with age, so does the learning ability.
Congratulations, you have found your long lost brother in Mixi!
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this :
... On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:19:45 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
... >DDT Filled Mormons writes:
... >
... >> Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
... >
... >Young people generally want to learn more than older people.
... >Motivation is everything, especially in language acquisition.
... >
... >However, there's no significant change in aptitude with age.
...
... The motivation is by far the greatest factor in it, and thus if it
... tends to decrease with age, so does the learning ability.
Congratulations, you have found your long lost brother in Mixi!
Sep 19th 2005, 10:30 pm
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Re: living in europe
Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:27:03 +0100, in rec.travel.europe,
> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) arranged some electrons, so they
> looked like this :
>
> ...
> ... What do people in Europe expect from an American?
>
> To keep a low profile, speak softly, eat everything without making a face
> and NOT start every sentence with "In America...".
That's a stereotype, maybe, but not reality. You should have met my ex-
the quietest-spoken American (or any nationality) in the world!
--
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> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:27:03 +0100, in rec.travel.europe,
> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) arranged some electrons, so they
> looked like this :
>
> ...
> ... What do people in Europe expect from an American?
>
> To keep a low profile, speak softly, eat everything without making a face
> and NOT start every sentence with "In America...".
That's a stereotype, maybe, but not reality. You should have met my ex-
the quietest-spoken American (or any nationality) in the world!
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
Sep 19th 2005, 10:38 pm
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Re: living in europe
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:30:54 +0100, in rec.travel.europe,
[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... > On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:27:03 +0100, in rec.travel.europe,
... > [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
... > th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) arranged some electrons, so they
... > looked like this :
... >
... > ...
... > ... What do people in Europe expect from an American?
... >
... > To keep a low profile, speak softly, eat everything without making a face
... > and NOT start every sentence with "In America...".
...
... That's a stereotype, maybe, but not reality. You should have met my ex-
... the quietest-spoken American (or any nationality) in the world!
The question was "expect". I can dream, can't I?
[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... > On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:27:03 +0100, in rec.travel.europe,
... > [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
... > th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) arranged some electrons, so they
... > looked like this :
... >
... > ...
... > ... What do people in Europe expect from an American?
... >
... > To keep a low profile, speak softly, eat everything without making a face
... > and NOT start every sentence with "In America...".
...
... That's a stereotype, maybe, but not reality. You should have met my ex-
... the quietest-spoken American (or any nationality) in the world!
The question was "expect". I can dream, can't I?
Sep 19th 2005, 10:41 pm
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Re: living in europe
Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:30:54 +0100, in rec.travel.europe,
> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) arranged some electrons, so they
> looked like this :
>
> ... Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... > On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:27:03 +0100, in rec.travel.europe,
> ... > [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of
> ... > besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) arranged some
> ... > electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... >
> ... > ...
> ... > ... What do people in Europe expect from an American?
> ... >
> ... > To keep a low profile, speak softly, eat everything without making
> ... > a face and NOT start every sentence with "In America...".
> ...
> ... That's a stereotype, maybe, but not reality. You should have met my
> ... ex- the quietest-spoken American (or any nationality) in the world!
>
> The question was "expect". I can dream, can't I?
Huh, so what was I experiencing? The American _dream_? :)
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:30:54 +0100, in rec.travel.europe,
> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) arranged some electrons, so they
> looked like this :
>
> ... Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... > On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:27:03 +0100, in rec.travel.europe,
> ... > [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of
> ... > besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) arranged some
> ... > electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... >
> ... > ...
> ... > ... What do people in Europe expect from an American?
> ... >
> ... > To keep a low profile, speak softly, eat everything without making
> ... > a face and NOT start every sentence with "In America...".
> ...
> ... That's a stereotype, maybe, but not reality. You should have met my
> ... ex- the quietest-spoken American (or any nationality) in the world!
>
> The question was "expect". I can dream, can't I?
Huh, so what was I experiencing? The American _dream_? :)
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
Sep 19th 2005, 10:47 pm
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Re: living in europe
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:41:03 +0100, in rec.travel.europe,
[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... > ... > ... What do people in Europe expect from an American?
... > ... >
... > ... > To keep a low profile, speak softly, eat everything without making
... > ... > a face and NOT start every sentence with "In America...".
... > ...
... > ... That's a stereotype, maybe, but not reality. You should have met my
... > ... ex- the quietest-spoken American (or any nationality) in the world!
... >
... > The question was "expect". I can dream, can't I?
...
... Huh, so what was I experiencing? The American _dream_? :)
You lucky b*st*rd ! :)
[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... > ... > ... What do people in Europe expect from an American?
... > ... >
... > ... > To keep a low profile, speak softly, eat everything without making
... > ... > a face and NOT start every sentence with "In America...".
... > ...
... > ... That's a stereotype, maybe, but not reality. You should have met my
... > ... ex- the quietest-spoken American (or any nationality) in the world!
... >
... > The question was "expect". I can dream, can't I?
...
... Huh, so what was I experiencing? The American _dream_? :)
You lucky b*st*rd ! :)
Sep 19th 2005, 11:10 pm
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Re: living in europe
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:19:45 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>DDT Filled Mormons writes:
>> Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
>Young people generally want to learn more than older people.
>Motivation is everything, especially in language acquisition.
>However, there's no significant change in aptitude with age.
The motivation is by far the greatest factor in it, and thus if it
tends to decrease with age, so does the learning ability.
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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wrote:
>DDT Filled Mormons writes:
>> Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
>Young people generally want to learn more than older people.
>Motivation is everything, especially in language acquisition.
>However, there's no significant change in aptitude with age.
The motivation is by far the greatest factor in it, and thus if it
tends to decrease with age, so does the learning ability.
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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Sep 19th 2005, 11:13 pm
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Re: living in europe
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:54:11 +0200, Magda <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:00:23 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, DDT Filled Mormons
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this :
> ... On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:09:01 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> ... wrote:
> ...
> ... >Age is not an impediment to the acquisition of additional languages.
> ...
> ... Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
>No, it is not.
Yes it is. Young people are much more able than older. You may be the
exception.
>If you really buy this urban legend, I pity you - in a few years you'll think you are "too
>old" for many things.
>(Don't stock up the Viagra - if you need it, you are too old for sex... :pp)
I wont be needing it for a while yet.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
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wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:00:23 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, DDT Filled Mormons
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this :
> ... On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:09:01 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> ... wrote:
> ...
> ... >Age is not an impediment to the acquisition of additional languages.
> ...
> ... Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
>No, it is not.
Yes it is. Young people are much more able than older. You may be the
exception.
>If you really buy this urban legend, I pity you - in a few years you'll think you are "too
>old" for many things.
>(Don't stock up the Viagra - if you need it, you are too old for sex... :pp)
I wont be needing it for a while yet.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
Sep 20th 2005, 12:18 am
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Re: living in europe
"Chris Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> I've done this a few times. See a discussion of issues you will face in
>> my chapter "Living in Europe: Travel to the Max as an Expatriate" at
>> http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap22/living.htm
> Interesting read, to see how European things are viewed from "the other
> side". However, I'm wondering how long ago this was written? Some things,
> such as "Because credit cards are expensive, few Europeans use them" are
> simply no longer true.
According to Barbara Vaughn, it is true in Italy.
Marianne
news:[email protected]...
>> I've done this a few times. See a discussion of issues you will face in
>> my chapter "Living in Europe: Travel to the Max as an Expatriate" at
>> http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap22/living.htm
> Interesting read, to see how European things are viewed from "the other
> side". However, I'm wondering how long ago this was written? Some things,
> such as "Because credit cards are expensive, few Europeans use them" are
> simply no longer true.
According to Barbara Vaughn, it is true in Italy.
Marianne
Sep 20th 2005, 12:34 am
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Re: living in europe
Rita wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:35:14 +0000 (UTC), Juliana L Holm
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >One of my favorites is the backpackers note not to wear jeans in europe
sinde
> >you will be identified as an American. On my last few trips to europe it
> >seemed everyone was wearing jeans!
> >
> >Julie
> I think all advice on what to wear or not wear while traveling in
> Europe is dumb. From my observations, Europeans dress every which
> way and there is no standard to adhere to. Neat and clean is good
> wherever one travels, and beyond that, suit yourself. Dressing for
> comfort and packing light are good rules to follow and I like clothing
> that can stand up without frequent laundering, but
> that's a personal preference. Personally I'd rule out jeans because
> they are bulky and also slow to dry if you have to wash them out.
> But again, a personal preference.
Every once in a while I'll watch the RAI Italian news or the French news,
etc. on my local Chicago cable channels. Guess what? For the most part
Italians and French dress *exactly* like us Yanks!
[Or is it vice - versa!?]
Jeans and white trainers have become absolutely universal, at least among
the younger set. Put a kid or younger person from Lyon or Stockholm next to
one from Sacramento or Cleveland and you couldn't tell the difference...same
Nikes/Adidas, same New York Yankees baseball caps or Chicago Bulls
sweatshirts, etc.
I see plenty of foreign tourists here in the States. Except for their
language, they are absolutely indistinguishable from Americans...
Decades ago dress was a location signifier. Not true anymore...
--
Best
Greg
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:35:14 +0000 (UTC), Juliana L Holm
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >One of my favorites is the backpackers note not to wear jeans in europe
sinde
> >you will be identified as an American. On my last few trips to europe it
> >seemed everyone was wearing jeans!
> >
> >Julie
> I think all advice on what to wear or not wear while traveling in
> Europe is dumb. From my observations, Europeans dress every which
> way and there is no standard to adhere to. Neat and clean is good
> wherever one travels, and beyond that, suit yourself. Dressing for
> comfort and packing light are good rules to follow and I like clothing
> that can stand up without frequent laundering, but
> that's a personal preference. Personally I'd rule out jeans because
> they are bulky and also slow to dry if you have to wash them out.
> But again, a personal preference.
Every once in a while I'll watch the RAI Italian news or the French news,
etc. on my local Chicago cable channels. Guess what? For the most part
Italians and French dress *exactly* like us Yanks!
[Or is it vice - versa!?]
Jeans and white trainers have become absolutely universal, at least among
the younger set. Put a kid or younger person from Lyon or Stockholm next to
one from Sacramento or Cleveland and you couldn't tell the difference...same
Nikes/Adidas, same New York Yankees baseball caps or Chicago Bulls
sweatshirts, etc.
I see plenty of foreign tourists here in the States. Except for their
language, they are absolutely indistinguishable from Americans...
Decades ago dress was a location signifier. Not true anymore...
--
Best
Greg
Sep 20th 2005, 12:41 am
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Re: living in europe
DDT Filled Mormons wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:19:45 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >DDT Filled Mormons writes:
> >
> >> Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
> >
> >Young people generally want to learn more than older people.
> >Motivation is everything, especially in language acquisition.
> >
> >However, there's no significant change in aptitude with age.
> The motivation is by far the greatest factor in it, and thus if it
> tends to decrease with age, so does the learning ability.
Well these days I figure with everyone in the world clambering to learn
English why on *earth* would I ever even bother with wanting to learn some
difficult and eventually fairly useless foreign tongue?
--
Best
Greg
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:19:45 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >DDT Filled Mormons writes:
> >
> >> Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
> >
> >Young people generally want to learn more than older people.
> >Motivation is everything, especially in language acquisition.
> >
> >However, there's no significant change in aptitude with age.
> The motivation is by far the greatest factor in it, and thus if it
> tends to decrease with age, so does the learning ability.
Well these days I figure with everyone in the world clambering to learn
English why on *earth* would I ever even bother with wanting to learn some
difficult and eventually fairly useless foreign tongue?
--
Best
Greg
Sep 20th 2005, 12:43 am
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Re: living in europe
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> The Reids wrote:
> > Following up to Mxsmanic
> >
> >
> >>The fastest way to obtain the right to live in Europe is to marry a
> >>European national.
> >
> >
> > are you offering, Mixi? This could be a way forward for you.
> But Mixi is an American ex-pat - even with a residence
> permit, I don't think that qualifies, does it?
In a pinch there is always (G)Runge, Evelyn...!!!
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Greg
> The Reids wrote:
> > Following up to Mxsmanic
> >
> >
> >>The fastest way to obtain the right to live in Europe is to marry a
> >>European national.
> >
> >
> > are you offering, Mixi? This could be a way forward for you.
> But Mixi is an American ex-pat - even with a residence
> permit, I don't think that qualifies, does it?
In a pinch there is always (G)Runge, Evelyn...!!!
--
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Greg
Sep 20th 2005, 12:44 am
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Re: living in europe
"Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> skrev i
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> Rita wrote:
Put a kid or younger person from Lyon or Stockholm next to
> one from Sacramento or Cleveland and you couldn't tell the difference
What about older people?
Could you distinguish one from Stockholm from one from Cleveland?
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(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(я итальянец но я живу в Швеции )
(我是 意大利人 , 但是 我 住 在 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/willkommen.php
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> skrev i
meddelandet news:[email protected] k.net...
> Rita wrote:
Put a kid or younger person from Lyon or Stockholm next to
> one from Sacramento or Cleveland and you couldn't tell the difference
What about older people?
Could you distinguish one from Stockholm from one from Cleveland?
--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(я итальянец но я живу в Швеции )
(我是 意大利人 , 但是 我 住 在 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/willkommen.php
Sep 20th 2005, 1:00 am
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Re: living in europe
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> DDT Filled Mormons writes:
>> That's everyone who can't speak it well. The general assumption is
>> that anyone who speaks English and has white skin is rich - probably
>> with good reason.
> A tour of Appalachia can cure that easily enough.
A tour of closets in Paris can have a similar effect.
news:[email protected]...
> DDT Filled Mormons writes:
>> That's everyone who can't speak it well. The general assumption is
>> that anyone who speaks English and has white skin is rich - probably
>> with good reason.
> A tour of Appalachia can cure that easily enough.
A tour of closets in Paris can have a similar effect.
Sep 20th 2005, 5:39 am
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Re: living in europe
DDT Filled Mormons writes:
> Yes it is. Young people are much more able than older. You may be the
> exception.
What I've found is that people who think they cannot learn something
are always right. And people who think that they can learn something
are always right, too.
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> Yes it is. Young people are much more able than older. You may be the
> exception.
What I've found is that people who think they cannot learn something
are always right. And people who think that they can learn something
are always right, too.
--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.