living in europe
Sep 19th 2005, 8:03 pm
#46
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Re: living in europe
DDT Filled Mormons <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:07:54 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> > By and large, the NHS doesn't care. There is
> >inevitably a little (and I think it's a _very_ little) health 'tourism'
> >in the UK,
>
> Unfortunately, I think there is a reason for that.
>
> I believe it was Thatcher that was blamed for the mess that the NHS is
> in, isn't it?
Maybe, but that wasn't my point. It was just that while the system can
be exploited, it's a very small issue.
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> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:07:54 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> > By and large, the NHS doesn't care. There is
> >inevitably a little (and I think it's a _very_ little) health 'tourism'
> >in the UK,
>
> Unfortunately, I think there is a reason for that.
>
> I believe it was Thatcher that was blamed for the mess that the NHS is
> in, isn't it?
Maybe, but that wasn't my point. It was just that while the system can
be exploited, it's a very small issue.
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Sep 19th 2005, 8:07 pm
#47
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Re: living in europe
B Vaughan <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:07:54 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> >Once you become a legal resident in the EEA, you will typically be
> >eligible to use the health service in the country where you reside. (Is
> >there any EEA country where this doesn't apply, out of interest?)
> >
> >The UK NHS is a good case in point. When you move here, you register
> >with a local health centre, and are usually appointed a specific doctor.
> >You're asked simply for your address. Even foreign students can benefit
> >from this. When I moved back to the UK after over a decade in the US,
> >all I had to do was say where I lived. Same thing with my partner when
> >he moved here from the US. IOW, there was no 'test' as to the right to
> >live in the country.
>
> In Italy, you have to be on the books in your town to register for the
> national health service. This means you have to be a legal resident,
> or else you can't get on the books. There are other services for
> tourists and illegal immigrants, such as special clinics, but they are
> not ubiquitious.
It probably does vary from country to country how they deem who is
elible for services. There has been some talk in the UK towards similar
moves, but I think they are ultimately counter-productive. If you don't
treat someone who is not resident as earlier on, it will become more
expensive later on.
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> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:07:54 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> >Once you become a legal resident in the EEA, you will typically be
> >eligible to use the health service in the country where you reside. (Is
> >there any EEA country where this doesn't apply, out of interest?)
> >
> >The UK NHS is a good case in point. When you move here, you register
> >with a local health centre, and are usually appointed a specific doctor.
> >You're asked simply for your address. Even foreign students can benefit
> >from this. When I moved back to the UK after over a decade in the US,
> >all I had to do was say where I lived. Same thing with my partner when
> >he moved here from the US. IOW, there was no 'test' as to the right to
> >live in the country.
>
> In Italy, you have to be on the books in your town to register for the
> national health service. This means you have to be a legal resident,
> or else you can't get on the books. There are other services for
> tourists and illegal immigrants, such as special clinics, but they are
> not ubiquitious.
It probably does vary from country to country how they deem who is
elible for services. There has been some talk in the UK towards similar
moves, but I think they are ultimately counter-productive. If you don't
treat someone who is not resident as earlier on, it will become more
expensive later on.
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
Sep 19th 2005, 8:19 pm
#48
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Re: living in europe
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:01:13 +0000 (UTC), in rec.travel.europe, Juliana L Holm
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... > If you really buy this urban legend, I pity you - in a few years you'll think you are "too
... > old" for many things.
...
... I'm 49 and headed to Germany for two months of language training. A couple
... months ago there was a report in the Washington Post about older folks learning
... language.
...
... It is true that we learn language differently than children do, but not at all
... true that we don't learn as well.
Children learn languages like parrots learn to speak. "Old folks" know what they are
doing... and why.
A couple of Brazilian friends of mine went to Germany for a year. Their 3 year old went to
school there, learned German at lightning speed... and forgot Portuguese at the same time.
His mother had trouble communicating with him. They went back to Brazil, he promptly
forgot German. Big advantage...
... indeed, learning throughtout life seems to be the most reliable way to decrease
... your chance of getting Alzheimers!
Reliable and enjoyable! :))
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... > If you really buy this urban legend, I pity you - in a few years you'll think you are "too
... > old" for many things.
...
... I'm 49 and headed to Germany for two months of language training. A couple
... months ago there was a report in the Washington Post about older folks learning
... language.
...
... It is true that we learn language differently than children do, but not at all
... true that we don't learn as well.
Children learn languages like parrots learn to speak. "Old folks" know what they are
doing... and why.
A couple of Brazilian friends of mine went to Germany for a year. Their 3 year old went to
school there, learned German at lightning speed... and forgot Portuguese at the same time.
His mother had trouble communicating with him. They went back to Brazil, he promptly
forgot German. Big advantage...
... indeed, learning throughtout life seems to be the most reliable way to decrease
... your chance of getting Alzheimers!
Reliable and enjoyable! :))
Sep 19th 2005, 8:39 pm
#49
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Re: living in europe
ask the evleths
They are immigrants from your third world country and it seems they can't
adapt to their new home...
The've been ONCE in the banlieue and apart from the touristy parts of Paris
where most people are english speaking, there's not much else !
So you see, it's not so easy as that, think again.
"amy radcliff" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> I am seriously considering moving to Europe (from the States). The
> problem is of course the details--its overwhelming all the questions
> that emerge. Could anyone recommend a place to get started? A
> website devoted to Americans emigating, a book, etc? Any help
> appreciated.
> If it matters, employment is not a huge problem...I'm more interested
> in questions of residency status, tax issues (do I pay taxes there or
> in the States, for instance), qualifying for health care, and so on...
> again, any help gratefully recieved.
>
They are immigrants from your third world country and it seems they can't
adapt to their new home...
The've been ONCE in the banlieue and apart from the touristy parts of Paris
where most people are english speaking, there's not much else !
So you see, it's not so easy as that, think again.
"amy radcliff" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> I am seriously considering moving to Europe (from the States). The
> problem is of course the details--its overwhelming all the questions
> that emerge. Could anyone recommend a place to get started? A
> website devoted to Americans emigating, a book, etc? Any help
> appreciated.
> If it matters, employment is not a huge problem...I'm more interested
> in questions of residency status, tax issues (do I pay taxes there or
> in the States, for instance), qualifying for health care, and so on...
> again, any help gratefully recieved.
>
Sep 19th 2005, 8:39 pm
#50
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Re: living in europe
No, PLEASE STAY WHERE YOU ARE !!!
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le
message de news: [email protected]...
> Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
>> "amy radcliff" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>I am seriously considering moving to Europe (from the States). The
>>>problem is of course the details--its overwhelming all the questions
>>>that emerge. Could anyone recommend a place to get started? A
>>>website devoted to Americans emigating, a book, etc? Any help
>>>appreciated.
>>>If it matters, employment is not a huge problem...I'm more interested
>>>in questions of residency status, tax issues (do I pay taxes there or
>>>in the States, for instance), qualifying for health care, and so on...
>>>again, any help gratefully recieved.
>> May I ask you first of all why you would like to move to Europe from the
>> States?
> You have to ASK?????? (I've been sorely tempted, too, in view of our
> current government - but at my age there are too many potential problems.)
>
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le
message de news: [email protected]...
> Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
>> "amy radcliff" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>I am seriously considering moving to Europe (from the States). The
>>>problem is of course the details--its overwhelming all the questions
>>>that emerge. Could anyone recommend a place to get started? A
>>>website devoted to Americans emigating, a book, etc? Any help
>>>appreciated.
>>>If it matters, employment is not a huge problem...I'm more interested
>>>in questions of residency status, tax issues (do I pay taxes there or
>>>in the States, for instance), qualifying for health care, and so on...
>>>again, any help gratefully recieved.
>> May I ask you first of all why you would like to move to Europe from the
>> States?
> You have to ASK?????? (I've been sorely tempted, too, in view of our
> current government - but at my age there are too many potential problems.)
>
Sep 19th 2005, 8:40 pm
#51
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Re: living in europe
A GIFT lol!!!
No thanks, Santa
"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy"
<[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
1h35glk.w71tlm1lehxeoN%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.com...
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Mxsmanic wrote:
>> > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >>You have to ASK?????? (I've been sorely tempted, too, in
>> >>view of our current government - but at my age there are too
>> >>many potential problems.)
>> >
>> >
>> > If you have the financial means to retire, Europe can be an attractive
>> > place to do it.
>> I don't even have the "financial means" to retire here in
>> the U.S.! Europe would add the need for health insurance -
> No, it wouldn't necessarily add that. See below.
>> Medicare and my "Medigap" insurance won't cover me
>> anywhere but here (and I could hardly expect to benefit from
>> another country's "National Health" plan when I've never
>> worked or paid taxes there, and am not a citizen).
> Once you become a legal resident in the EEA, you will typically be
> eligible to use the health service in the country where you reside. (Is
> there any EEA country where this doesn't apply, out of interest?)
> The UK NHS is a good case in point. When you move here, you register
> with a local health centre, and are usually appointed a specific doctor.
> You're asked simply for your address. Even foreign students can benefit
> from this. When I moved back to the UK after over a decade in the US,
> all I had to do was say where I lived. Same thing with my partner when
> he moved here from the US. IOW, there was no 'test' as to the right to
> live in the country. By and large, the NHS doesn't care. There is
> inevitably a little (and I think it's a _very_ little) health 'tourism'
> in the UK, but the way the NHS operates, it provides services to you
> when you live here. I wouldn't worry about never having "worked or paid
> taxes here." That's the way the world works- people move, but the health
> care systems in Europe tend to be viewed (correctly IMO) as a right, not
> a privilege.
> Anyway, rather than see yourself as burden to the health system or the
> state, you should view yourself as a gift to the country you choose to
> retire to. You will be supporting the local economy through paying rent,
> buying food etc., and presumably attending the occasional opera
> performance! :)
> --
> David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
> usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
No thanks, Santa
"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy"
<[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
1h35glk.w71tlm1lehxeoN%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.com...
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Mxsmanic wrote:
>> > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >>You have to ASK?????? (I've been sorely tempted, too, in
>> >>view of our current government - but at my age there are too
>> >>many potential problems.)
>> >
>> >
>> > If you have the financial means to retire, Europe can be an attractive
>> > place to do it.
>> I don't even have the "financial means" to retire here in
>> the U.S.! Europe would add the need for health insurance -
> No, it wouldn't necessarily add that. See below.
>> Medicare and my "Medigap" insurance won't cover me
>> anywhere but here (and I could hardly expect to benefit from
>> another country's "National Health" plan when I've never
>> worked or paid taxes there, and am not a citizen).
> Once you become a legal resident in the EEA, you will typically be
> eligible to use the health service in the country where you reside. (Is
> there any EEA country where this doesn't apply, out of interest?)
> The UK NHS is a good case in point. When you move here, you register
> with a local health centre, and are usually appointed a specific doctor.
> You're asked simply for your address. Even foreign students can benefit
> from this. When I moved back to the UK after over a decade in the US,
> all I had to do was say where I lived. Same thing with my partner when
> he moved here from the US. IOW, there was no 'test' as to the right to
> live in the country. By and large, the NHS doesn't care. There is
> inevitably a little (and I think it's a _very_ little) health 'tourism'
> in the UK, but the way the NHS operates, it provides services to you
> when you live here. I wouldn't worry about never having "worked or paid
> taxes here." That's the way the world works- people move, but the health
> care systems in Europe tend to be viewed (correctly IMO) as a right, not
> a privilege.
> Anyway, rather than see yourself as burden to the health system or the
> state, you should view yourself as a gift to the country you choose to
> retire to. You will be supporting the local economy through paying rent,
> buying food etc., and presumably attending the occasional opera
> performance! :)
> --
> David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
> usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
Sep 19th 2005, 8:42 pm
#52
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Re: living in europe
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:52:54 +0200, Jens Arne Maennig
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I hear they are desperately looking for foreign workers in Molvania...
For those that don't yet understand:
http://www.molvania.com
ISBN 1-84354-232-3
Just go and get the book, and figure the humour out later.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>I hear they are desperately looking for foreign workers in Molvania...
For those that don't yet understand:
http://www.molvania.com
ISBN 1-84354-232-3
Just go and get the book, and figure the humour out later.
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Sep 19th 2005, 8:43 pm
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Re: living in europe
On 19 Sep 2005 11:22:36 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>amy radcliff wrote:
>> I am seriously considering moving to Europe (from the States). The
>> problem is of course the details--its overwhelming all the questions
>> that emerge. Could anyone recommend a place to get started? A
>> website devoted to Americans emigating, a book, etc? Any help
>> appreciated.
>> If it matters, employment is not a huge problem...I'm more interested
>> in questions of residency status, tax issues (do I pay taxes there or
>> in the States, for instance), qualifying for health care, and so on...
>> again, any help gratefully recieved.
>Bulgaria is cheap.
Moldova is too.
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>amy radcliff wrote:
>> I am seriously considering moving to Europe (from the States). The
>> problem is of course the details--its overwhelming all the questions
>> that emerge. Could anyone recommend a place to get started? A
>> website devoted to Americans emigating, a book, etc? Any help
>> appreciated.
>> If it matters, employment is not a huge problem...I'm more interested
>> in questions of residency status, tax issues (do I pay taxes there or
>> in the States, for instance), qualifying for health care, and so on...
>> again, any help gratefully recieved.
>Bulgaria is cheap.
Moldova is too.
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Sep 19th 2005, 8:50 pm
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Re: living in europe
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:12:31 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:37:59 GMT, Rita wrote:
>> I like clothing that can stand up without frequent laundering,
>just like most of my clothes when I was a student ... ;-)
Mine too. Now I use the expression on my wife's face as a reference.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:37:59 GMT, Rita wrote:
>> I like clothing that can stand up without frequent laundering,
>just like most of my clothes when I was a student ... ;-)
Mine too. Now I use the expression on my wife's face as a reference.
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Sep 19th 2005, 8:54 pm
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Re: living in europe
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:51:06 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>It's the accent, not the wardrobe - although I have been
>asked if I were English, a few times. (Apparently the
>difference between an English and an American accent are not
>quite so obvious to French and German-speakers as they are
>to Yanks and Brits.)
That's everyone who can't speak it well. The general assumption is
that anyone who speaks English and has white skin is rich - probably
with good reason.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>It's the accent, not the wardrobe - although I have been
>asked if I were English, a few times. (Apparently the
>difference between an English and an American accent are not
>quite so obvious to French and German-speakers as they are
>to Yanks and Brits.)
That's everyone who can't speak it well. The general assumption is
that anyone who speaks English and has white skin is rich - probably
with good reason.
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Sep 19th 2005, 8:58 pm
#56
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Re: living in europe
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:07:54 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
> By and large, the NHS doesn't care. There is
>inevitably a little (and I think it's a _very_ little) health 'tourism'
>in the UK,
Unfortunately, I think there is a reason for that.
I believe it was Thatcher that was blamed for the mess that the NHS is
in, isn't it?
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(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
> By and large, the NHS doesn't care. There is
>inevitably a little (and I think it's a _very_ little) health 'tourism'
>in the UK,
Unfortunately, I think there is a reason for that.
I believe it was Thatcher that was blamed for the mess that the NHS is
in, isn't it?
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Sep 19th 2005, 9:00 pm
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Re: living in europe
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:09:01 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Age is not an impediment to the acquisition of additional languages.
Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
As a teacher you should know that.
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>Age is not an impediment to the acquisition of additional languages.
Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
As a teacher you should know that.
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Sep 19th 2005, 9:19 pm
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DDT Filled Mormons writes:
> Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
Young people generally want to learn more than older people.
Motivation is everything, especially in language acquisition.
However, there's no significant change in aptitude with age.
> As a teacher you should know that.
I know that mythology discourages many language students before they
even begin, and provides an excuse to others who never wanted to learn
anything in the first place.
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> Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
Young people generally want to learn more than older people.
Motivation is everything, especially in language acquisition.
However, there's no significant change in aptitude with age.
> As a teacher you should know that.
I know that mythology discourages many language students before they
even begin, and provides an excuse to others who never wanted to learn
anything in the first place.
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Sep 19th 2005, 9:22 pm
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Re: living in europe
DDT Filled Mormons writes:
> That's everyone who can't speak it well. The general assumption is
> that anyone who speaks English and has white skin is rich - probably
> with good reason.
A tour of Appalachia can cure that easily enough.
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> That's everyone who can't speak it well. The general assumption is
> that anyone who speaks English and has white skin is rich - probably
> with good reason.
A tour of Appalachia can cure that easily enough.
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Sep 19th 2005, 9:30 pm
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Re: living in europe
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:19:45 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... DDT Filled Mormons writes:
...
... > Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
...
... Young people generally want to learn more than older people.
On which planet??
... However, there's no significant change in aptitude with age.
I'm applying to that club, folks. Where do I sign?
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... DDT Filled Mormons writes:
...
... > Yes it is. Younger people learn much more readily than older people.
...
... Young people generally want to learn more than older people.
On which planet??
... However, there's no significant change in aptitude with age.
I'm applying to that club, folks. Where do I sign?