Frank F. Matthews

B Vaughan wrote:

    > On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:15:22 +0100, "Anzov" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>If you are in the North, then I suppose you should go to Urbino but it isn't
    >>my favourite place. A bit over touristy.
    >
    >
    > Anyone who can say that has never been to San Gimignano. Urbino on its
    > most crowded day is nowhere near as touristy as your average town in
    > Tuscany.
    >
    >
    >

Fair enough. I enjoyed both of them a couple of weeks ago though.


    >
    >
    >>... Near there is a lovely little
    >>castle perched on top of a mountain at San Leo, about 15 km from San Marino.
    >
    >
    > This is indeed a very pretty spot. However, there are lots of other
    > castles in Le Marche. Calderola, in the province of Macerata, is also
    > very nice and has a good guided tour. (I'm not sure the tour is
    > available in English.)
    >
    > Matelica, which is near Macerata, is a very nice town. There are many
    > beautiful towns in Le Marche, and many of them have fairly
    > well-preserved medieval walls.
    >
    >

Mimi

"Anzov" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:15:22 +0100, "Anzov" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > If you are in the North, then I suppose you should go to Urbino but it
    > isn't
    > my favourite place. A bit over touristy.
    > << Anyone who can say that has never been to San Gimignano. Urbino on its
    > most crowded day is nowhere near as touristy as your average town in
    > Tuscany.>>
    > Oh dear, not you again. If you don't have anything positive to contribute
    > to the questions on travel asked here, why don't you just stick to your
    > knitting news groups.

Anzov, B Vaughn lives in Le Marche and is a highly valued contributor to
this newsgroup.


Marianne

Frank F. Matthews

Anzov wrote:
    > "B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:15:22 +0100, "Anzov" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > If you are in the North, then I suppose you should go to Urbino but it isn't
    > my favourite place. A bit over touristy.
    >
    > << Anyone who can say that has never been to San Gimignano. Urbino on its
    > most crowded day is nowhere near as touristy as your average town in
    > Tuscany.>>
    >
    > Oh dear, not you again. If you don't have anything positive to contribute to
    > the questions on travel asked here, why don't you just stick to your
    > knitting news groups.
    >
    > One of the nice things about the Marches is that, for the moment, there is
    > relatively little mass foreign tourism, with the exception of the northern
    > coast line around Rimini and the pilgrim destination at Loreto. Urbino is
    > one of the few places in the Marches which is overtly touristy and, since
    > there are many more places just as nice, if not nicer, in the Marches, it
    > is - in my opinion - not worth the bother unless you are on the Piero trail
    > and want to see his "The Flagellation of Christ ". Especially if you only
    > have 9 days to get a fairly comprehensive taste of the Marches with a view
    > to returning, as the OP suggests.
    >
    > Incidently, Yes I have been to San Gimignano but before it became de rigueur
    > to go there on your bus tour. I was there when Franco Zeffirelli was filming
    > "Tea with Mussolini " which was by far the most interesting item on the
    > agenda.
    >

Must have been two different visits since it was "de rigueur" for the
bus tour that I took there in 1958. It was less touristy then though.
I enjoyed visiting again a couple of weeks ago even with the touristy
aspects.

    > I am not quite sure what you mean by "your average town in Tuscany". There
    > is still a wealth of diversity there. The main tourist centres certainly
    > tend to mop up the "Do Europe in five days" travellers which can only be a
    > bonus for the rest of the region but it is a very snobby thing to be
    > disparaging about Tuscany. If you want to visit Italy to see much of the
    > wealth of Italy's Art heritage and you don't want to spend your time
    > travelling long distances, then Tuscany is your only real choice. The only
    > other major contender is Venice but that doesn't have the splendid panoramic
    > views of the Tuscan landscape.
    >
    > Hope this clarifies a few things for you.
    >
    >

Anzov

"Mimi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Anzov" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> "B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:15:22 +0100, "Anzov" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> If you are in the North, then I suppose you should go to Urbino but it
    >> isn't
    >> my favourite place. A bit over touristy.
    >> << Anyone who can say that has never been to San Gimignano. Urbino on its
    >> most crowded day is nowhere near as touristy as your average town in
    >> Tuscany.>>
    >> Oh dear, not you again. If you don't have anything positive to contribute
    >> to the questions on travel asked here, why don't you just stick to your
    >> knitting news groups.
    > Anzov, B Vaughn lives in Le Marche and is a highly valued contributor to
    > this newsgroup.


Marianne ,

I know, she now lives in Corinaldo and can speak Italian like a true
marchigiana, as she never tires of telling us. I also have to question your
use of the term "Highly valued" which is, I suppose, a subjective opinion.

Nevertheless, she is a net nanny of the worst kind and pours vitriol on
anybody else with the temerity to give advice about the Marches.

B Vaughan

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 00:13:32 +0100, [email protected] (Stuart) wrote:

    >Sorry, I'll try to be more specific.
    >We like any natural features - scenery etc... For example we once
    >walked for a couple of hours to see a supposedly 'mystic' waterfall in
    >the middle of a wood. Also, I suppose, buildings of significance,
    >whether they be religious or ancient. Not really a gallery or museum
    >person, prefer to see things 'in situ'. We are really history people,
    >where we can find out the story behind items.

Someone has already suggested that you visit San Leo, and I agree
completely. It is a castle high on a cliff, in a very impressive
setting, and you can tour the castle on your own. Here is a picture:

http://www.comune.san-leo.ps.it/Forte.jpg

I had earlier suggested you visit Urbino; near Urbino is a very scenic
road that passes through the "Gola di Furlo", a river gap. The road
follows the ancient Via Flaminia, and passes through a tunnel carved
by the Romans. Make sure you exit the superhighway and follow the old
road in the vicinity of Furlo. Here's a picture of the Gola del Furlo:

http://tinyurl.com/5hozf

The countryside in this area is very scenic. Check your map and follow
the "green" routes. I can recommend the Michelin map of central Italy
for pointing out scenic routes.

The interior roads from Macerata north to Urbino are almost all very
scenic. Cingoli has a panorama over a great part of Le Marche; on a
clear day you can see the Adriatic. However, there are many roads from
which you can see the entire breadth of Le Marche: the mountain range
which forms a border with Umbria in the west and the Adriatic in the
east.

Not far from the town of Amandola, there is a beautiful hiking path
through the Valle del Infernaccio. (Amandola itself is a pretty town,
worth a visit.) The path leads between cliffs, under a waterfall and
through woods. It's very beautiful and in a region that has many
pretty towns. Here is a link to a picture, although I would say it's
not the prettiest part of the itinerary.

http://web.tiscali.it/sombrero/img86.gif

San Severino Marche is a very nice town, with a beautiful piazza, not
too far from Camerino.

Ascoli Piceno is another town with a very beautiful piazza, and some
towers like those in the more famous San Gimignano.

I have to put in a plug for my town, Corinaldo. It is completely
surrounded by its medieval wall, one of the best-preserved in Le
Marche. Here is a photo:

http://www.corinaldo.it/img/25.jpg

Nearby are two very tiny fortified towns, Loreto and Piticchio, that
were originally built as senty points for the very wealthy monastery
of Fonte Avellana. This monastery is worth a visit, although the tours
are only in Italian. The scriptorium of the monastery is almost
unchanged, although it no longer has its writing desks. You can see
how the room was designed to be well lit all day throughout the year
without casting shadows on the writing desks. THe crypt of the
monastery is a very lovely 11th century chapel, one of the most
beautiful constructions I have ever seen. (Very simple and plain, but
striking.) Here is a web site:

http://www.fonteavellana.it/monaster...ne_inglese.htm

There is a very nice cavern in Le Marche called Grotto di Frasassi.
They have a one-hour tour. In busy seasons they offer a tour in
English, but at any time, you can ask for a printed tour commentary in
English, which will point out the various interesting things along the
way. This cavern is also located in a very scenic spot. The nearby
little hilltop town of Genga is also very pretty and has a good
restaurant. Here is a photo of a 10th century abbey in the lower part
of the town of Genga, near the cavern:

http://www.frasassi.com/genga10.jpg

As I said in another post, there is a very nice castle in Calderola.
The castle is still privately owned, and the family lived there until
about 50 years ago. The tour gives an overview of life in the castle
from the middle ages to the 20th century. Unfortunately I think they
only have tours in Italian.

I have linked to various photos in this post, which I found on web
pages with no English translation. One of the problems with visiting
regions in Italy that have little tourism is that you won't find many
people who speak English. However, Italians are very good at
communicating using all means at their disposal. Be patient and write
things down. You'll find that many Italians read English much better
than they understand the spoken language. This is because few of them
have learned the language from native speakers.

Don't rush around from place to place and I'm sure you'll enjoy your
visit.
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Anzov

Stuart,

In addition to the other stuff people have posted, there is a lot of fun to
be had if you visit a place on it's market day. Tolentino, on Tuesdays, is a
particularly nice one to have a look at. Here is a link showing the market
days of the towns in the Marches.

http://www.lizandbarry.com/html/market_days.html

If you like natural history stuff, there are some interesting limestone
caves near Sasso Ferrata at Genga. You will find it at the site of the
Marche Voyager but here is another link.
http://www.wayitalia.net/rooten/spec...rche_1304.html
It will give you a flavour of English as she is spoken which you will come
across in local brochures. I was there the year after they where first
opened to the public and they where most impressive. There is a large
carpark near by with fud and tat shops but not too over commercialised.

If you are out near Ancona, the coast line to the south, towards Mt. Conero
is stupendous and there is a little place, Portonovo, on one of the few
accessible beaches where you can have a good, inexpensive feed in very
agreeable surroundings..

There are about half a dozen little restaurants facing the beach which do
wonderful seafood. Here is a link which is a bit over the top but don't be
misled, it is well worth a detour.
http://en.conero.it/portonovo.php3

Here is a list of the restaurants.
http://en.conero.it/ristoranti/risto...dove=Portonovo

Deep Foiled Malls

On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:56:46 +0100, "Anzov" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Mimi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> "Anzov" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> "B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>> On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:15:22 +0100, "Anzov" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> If you are in the North, then I suppose you should go to Urbino but it
    >>> isn't
    >>> my favourite place. A bit over touristy.
    >>> << Anyone who can say that has never been to San Gimignano. Urbino on its
    >>> most crowded day is nowhere near as touristy as your average town in
    >>> Tuscany.>>
    >>> Oh dear, not you again. If you don't have anything positive to contribute
    >>> to the questions on travel asked here, why don't you just stick to your
    >>> knitting news groups.
    >> Anzov, B Vaughn lives in Le Marche and is a highly valued contributor to
    >> this newsgroup.
    > Marianne ,
    >I know, she now lives in Corinaldo and can speak Italian like a true
    >marchigiana, as she never tires of telling us. I also have to question your
    >use of the term "Highly valued" which is, I suppose, a subjective opinion.

She is highly valued. She is an American who defies all the shitty
stereotypes, and that in itself makes her highly valued. She also
contributes a lot of good stuff to this place.

And just who the **** are you???
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"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
    > On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:56:46 +0100, "Anzov" <[email protected]> wrote:

<< She is highly valued. She is an American who defies all the shitty
stereotypes, and that in itself makes her highly valued. She also
contributes a lot of good stuff to this place.

And just who the **** are you???>>

I'm the bloke who just dumped you in the "Block Senders" Box because you are
another self opinionated royal pain in the arse from the same pseuds corner.

Ken Blake

In news:[email protected],
ted <[email protected]> typed:

    > "Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
    > wrote
    > in message news:[email protected]...
    >> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:56:46 +0100, "Anzov" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    > << She is highly valued. She is an American who defies all the
    > shitty
    > stereotypes, and that in itself makes her highly valued. She
    > also
    > contributes a lot of good stuff to this place.
    > And just who the **** are you???>>
    > I'm the bloke who just dumped you in the "Block Senders" Box
    > because
    > you are another self opinionated royal pain in the arse from
    > the same
    > pseuds corner.


Hey, dump me in the same box, too. I agree completely with DFM.

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Anzov

"Ken Blake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > In news:[email protected],

<< Hey, dump me in the same box, too. I agree completely with DFM.>>

Ah well, you know what they say about 'fools seldom differ', but if you
insist.

Anzov

Stuart,

A couple of things about Rome.

1. Here is a link to an article in to-days Scotsman travel supplement about
a trip to Rome.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/maga...m?id=364752005

It is nothing special but is good background material.

2. I noticed that the "Rough Guide" have recently published a new, 2nd,
edition of their "Guide To Rome".

It is quite good on low cost places to eat and stay

Cristina

To the honorable members of this newsgroup...
let me introduce myself:^___^
my name is Cristina and I live in Roma.
I was "surfing" the net during my lunch break and I discovered this
newsgroup and I was caught by the subject of this discussion: what to do
in Roma in may.
Well, Stuart, I can give you some advices about Roma because I do not
know Marche as I've never been there :-D
So let's start from the fundamental.
You wrote:

    > >>> We already have decided to return to Assisi as we only had 2 hours, including eating, there last
    > >>> time.

I was born in Perugia and I can tell you that both Assisi, or Spello as
it was suggested, are really beautiful places to see in a day.
Also Bevagna or Spoleto

    > >>> Also, I am not going to drive to Rome. We have found there
    > >>> is a regular coach to Rome from the East coast to Rome for
    > >>> ?30/person return <http://www.romamarchelinee.it/lista_fermate.php?id_linea=1,2,5>
    > >>> does anyone know it? Is it good?

I saw the internet site. It seems to be good and what it is more
interesting is that it stops at Stazione Tiburtina (it is a railway
station) where there is also the bus line that goes to Perugia; it is
called Sulga and this is the Internet site www.sulga.it.
In the area called "Autolinee - linee - orari delle corse - tariffe" you
could find the opportunity to go to Umbria leaving from Rome without
driving a car. To go to Perugia, for instance, takes only two hour and a
quarter. It's a problem when you come back to Rome because in the
Autostrada there is always traffic (well, it depends on the days you
choose.. during the weekend the traffic is very caotic and it will take
more than two hours to come back to Roma)

    >>I assume the railways have a website?

    > http://www.trenitalia.it/

Well suggested! :-D

    > > My Italian is minimal (close to zero)

Why don't you buy a little guide with the most typical italian phrases
that can help you and your wife to understand (or better) to say
something? :-DD

    > > and I find looking some things up quite daunting.

This part I do not understand!

    > >> Apparently at the Stazione Tiburtina.
    > >
    > > Many thanks

When you arrive there take the tube, direction Stazione Termini... you
will find other underground stops that can interest both of you like
"Colosseo" for example.

    > >> I find that I can get around all of downtown tourist Rome very
    > >> easily on foot. [snip]

    > > We will, no doubt, walk a lot (my fiancee hates that part of
    > > me) - I expect Rome could very much almost look after itself, but there
    > > might be a few suggestions to interesting parts that many tourists
    > > miss -

Better to go on foot if you want to see interesting parts of Roma.

    > If you're really interested in out-of-the-way places, I'll
    > recommend an unusual one we like a lot: the Casina delle Civette
[snip]

La Casina delle Civette is very beautiful. It is inside a park called
Villa Torlonia on via Nomentana.
It is easily reacheable (???) thanks to the buses that pass on that
street (the 60 Express from via Nazionale, the 90 from stazione Termini)

    > > we often do 2-3hr guided walks in London,

I see that now there are some double-deckers buses (leaving from
Stazione Termini) that make a guided tour in the centre of Rome. You can
also decide where to stop and get off and where to get on. But better if
you check the availability and the possibility to have this chance.

    >> Travel cards (name & where to buy)?

Outside stazione Termini - in piazza dei Cinquecento - (it is going to
be the centre of the world!!! :-DD) you can go in the area reserved to
the buses and looking for the information centre of the ATAC [it is near
the line 40] and ask for the better travel cards or tickets

    > > Honest, inexpensive food?

    > >> There are many excellent restaurants in Rome, but again it's
    > >> hard to give advice without knowing more about your likes and
    > >> dislikes

I agree! :-D


    > > We are prepared to experiment food-wise and would like to try places where you might hear more than the odd
    > > Italian accent amongst the customers

Eeeehhh!! What do you mean about "odd italian accent"? :-D

    > > but where we wouldn't be seen as intruders

Intruders? Why? O__o

    > (though I don't like seafood - so there would have to be an
    > > alternative - I'll have to learn the Italian for not liking
    > > seafood!).

Yesss!!! and the exact phrase (sorry Ken) is "Non mi piaccioni i frutti
di mare"

    > Here are some personal favorites,

    > - Il Pompiere, in the Ghetto, on the Via Santa Maria Calderari,
    > just east of the Via Arenula.

Yess!

    > - Giggetto, in the Ghetto, on the Via Porta d'Ottavia

Yess!

    > - Sora Margherita, on the north side of the Piazza Cinque Scuole.
    > No sign. Go in where you see a beaded curtain over the door.
    > Lunch only. It's sort of a fake private club, but they give you a
    > free membership when you go in.

I do not know!! Must go and try!

    > - La Rampa, just southeast of the bottom of the Spanish steps,
    > behind the American Express of (very touristy, but a fabulous
    > self-service antipasto table).

???? I do not know

    > - Osteria Romana (Via San Paolo alla Regola, 29/31, a small
    > street east of the Campo dei Fiore)

The square is Campo dei Fiori :-D

    > No menu; they ask you the following questions: meat or fish, red or white (wine); with gas
    > (water) or without. For a fixed price (was 35 Euro for the meat
    > dinner a year and a half ago; the fish dinner is more.) you get
    > whatever they're serving that day: Antipasti, two or three
    > pastas, meat dishes, dessert, a glass of Prosecco to start, as
    > much wine as you want, after-dinner drinks, coffee, water, etc. A
    > lot to eat and drink, but very good, and a bargain considering
    > how much you get. Very friendly people.

Another restaurant I have to try!!!

    > Ciccia Bomba on the Via Governo Vecchio, just west of the Piazza
    > Navona.

Yes! :-D

In via del Governo Vecchio you will find other restaurants. I think that
it is better to go and feel the sensation they give to you when you see
them (and the menu of course)
As Ken, I do not have more suggestions to give to you.
But if you have other questions feel free to ask, even I do not know
when I can answer you 'cause I do not read often this newsgroup.
An advice that I can give to you and you wife is this (not very
friendly,
perhaps, but it is necessary):
pay very attention when you are on crowded buses (such as 40 or 64 that
from stazione Termini go to San Pietro) to the pickpockets.
Similarly, in the area near the Colosseo and Fori Imperiali pay very
attention to the "zingare", little children or young girls that in a
variable number from three to seven can surround you praying to have
mercy of them and to give them something and meanwhile (due to the
confusione they generate) they steal in your pocket in a flash!
When you are in crowded places pay attention to the people who surrounds
you.

And with this joyful advice I wish yoy a pleasant stay in Roma.

ciaooo!
Cristina


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news:6652c761bf2a9ef6d495d68abcf3f632.22166@mygate .mailgate.org,
Cristina <[email protected]> typed:

    >>> We are prepared to experiment food-wise and would like to try
    >>> places where you might hear more than the odd Italian accent
    >>> amongst the customers
    > Eeeehhh!! What do you mean about "odd italian accent"? :-D


"Odd" is a strange word in English, with two very different
meanings. You apparently took it to mean "strange" or weird," but
I'm sure he meant it only as "occasional."


    >>> but where we wouldn't be seen as intruders
    > Intruders? Why? O__o
    >> (though I don't like seafood - so there would have to be an
    >>> alternative - I'll have to learn the Italian for not liking
    >>> seafood!).
    > Yesss!!! and the exact phrase (sorry Ken) is "Non mi piaccioni
    > i
    > frutti di mare"


Thanks for the correction.


    >> Here are some personal favorites,
    >> - Il Pompiere, in the Ghetto, on the Via Santa Maria
    >> Calderari,
    >> just east of the Via Arenula.
    > Yess!
    >> - Giggetto, in the Ghetto, on the Via Porta d'Ottavia
    > Yess!
    >> - Sora Margherita, on the north side of the Piazza Cinque
    >> Scuole.
    >> No sign. Go in where you see a beaded curtain over the door.
    >> Lunch only. It's sort of a fake private club, but they give
    >> you a
    >> free membership when you go in.
    > I do not know!! Must go and try!
    >> - La Rampa, just southeast of the bottom of the Spanish steps,
    >> behind the American Express of (very touristy, but a fabulous
    >> self-service antipasto table).
    > ???? I do not know
    >> - Osteria Romana (Via San Paolo alla Regola, 29/31, a small
    >> street east of the Campo dei Fiore)
    > The square is Campo dei Fiori :-D


Thanks again.


    >> No menu; they ask you the following questions: meat or fish,
    >> red or
    >> white (wine); with gas (water) or without. For a fixed price
    >> (was 35
    >> Euro for the meat
    >> dinner a year and a half ago; the fish dinner is more.) you
    >> get
    >> whatever they're serving that day: Antipasti, two or three
    >> pastas, meat dishes, dessert, a glass of Prosecco to start, as
    >> much wine as you want, after-dinner drinks, coffee, water,
    >> etc. A
    >> lot to eat and drink, but very good, and a bargain considering
    >> how much you get. Very friendly people.
    > Another restaurant I have to try!!!
    >> Ciccia Bomba on the Via Governo Vecchio, just west of the
    >> Piazza
    >> Navona.
    > Yes! :-D


I'm glad you agree with my restaurant recommendations. Let me
know what you think of Sora Margherita, La Rampa, and Osteria
Romana, if you get to try them.

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    > In via del Governo Vecchio you will find other restaurants. I
    > think
    > that it is better to go and feel the sensation they give to you
    > when
    > you see them (and the menu of course)
    > As Ken, I do not have more suggestions to give to you.
    > But if you have other questions feel free to ask, even I do not
    > know
    > when I can answer you 'cause I do not read often this
    > newsgroup.
    > An advice that I can give to you and you wife is this (not very
    > friendly,
    > perhaps, but it is necessary):
    > pay very attention when you are on crowded buses (such as 40 or
    > 64
    > that from stazione Termini go to San Pietro) to the
    > pickpockets.
    > Similarly, in the area near the Colosseo and Fori Imperiali pay
    > very
    > attention to the "zingare", little children or young girls that
    > in a
    > variable number from three to seven can surround you praying to
    > have
    > mercy of them and to give them something and meanwhile (due to
    > the
    > confusione they generate) they steal in your pocket in a flash!
    > When you are in crowded places pay attention to the people who
    > surrounds you.
    > And with this joyful advice I wish yoy a pleasant stay in Roma.
    > ciaooo!
    > Cristina

Deep Foiled Malls

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:11:43 +0000 (UTC), "Cristina"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Yesss!!! and the exact phrase (sorry Ken) is "Non mi piaccioni i frutti
    >di mare"

Credo che tu abbia voluto dire "Non mi piacciono i frutti di mare"! A
meno che mi sono sbagliato, é cosi.
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:27:12 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    >On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:11:43 +0000 (UTC), "Cristina"
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Yesss!!! and the exact phrase (sorry Ken) is "Non mi piaccioni i frutti
    >>di mare"
    >Credo che tu abbia voluto dire "Non mi piacciono i frutti di mare"! A
    >meno che mi sono sbagliato, é cosi.

Also, I understand "frutti di mare" to mean shellfish, mollusks and
things like squid, but not fish. The original poster said he didn't
like seafood, which in English means everything that comes out of the
sea, including fish.
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