Irwell

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:45:15 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On 7/09/05 15:16, in article [email protected],
    >"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Should Armstrong return, the media scrutiny surrounding him would be intense
    >> and he would likely receive a hostile reception from the French public.
    >`
    >I personally think that is very ify. It might even go the other way.
    >The guilty person usually slinks off and shuts up.
Seems to be the case with the Track and Field events
after the BALCO EPO disclosures. The head of BALCO
disclosed the names in return for a lighter sentence.
The names of the athletes were not disclosed to the
press, but a lot of prominent US winners failed to show
this season.

Earl Evleth

On 7/09/05 16:50, in article [email protected],
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Why doesn't he have them for libel?


That is being considered. Such suits are long in France but possible.

Earl Evleth

On 7/09/05 16:51, in article
[email protected]. com,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > He's stated that he may do so. However, he's already involved in a
    > number of other lawsuits, and they take a lot of energy and money, for
    > an uncertain outcome, even if you're in the right.
    >


We are involved in a couple in France now. I would say that one should
avoid suing in France if possible. You never get much and it merely
makes the lawyers richer.

Earl Evleth

On 7/09/05 17:08, in article [email protected], "Jose"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > If he's truly "not guilty", I wonder why he doesn't file a lawsuit again
    > L'Equipe and the Tour. It's not like he doesn't have the resources to pursue
    > this option.


The Tour de France has made no statements, only l'Equipe and the other press
like Le Monde.

Suing is being considered.

Martin

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:41:13 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On 7/09/05 16:51, in article
    >[email protected] .com,
    >"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> He's stated that he may do so. However, he's already involved in a
    >> number of other lawsuits, and they take a lot of energy and money, for
    >> an uncertain outcome, even if you're in the right.
    >>
    >We are involved in a couple in France now. I would say that one should
    >avoid suing in France if possible. You never get much and it merely
    >makes the lawyers richer.

One reason I didn't retire to Brittany was that I discovered in time
that lawsuits are a way of life there.
--
Martin

Earl Evleth

On 7/09/05 17:47, in article [email protected],
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > One reason I didn't retire to Brittany was that I discovered in time
    > that lawsuits are a way of life there.

Our involvement is collective, the collectivity of the building involved
in law suits with individuals. So we ourselves are not individually suing.

But it takes a long time to settle a suit.

Some of the issues are simple. Take an example. The guy on the ground floor
runs a business, rents a place right next to his in the next building. So he
decides he wants a door between the two, knocking through two building
supporting walls to do this. This is illegal several ways around but
principally it weakens both structures (the buildings are already 150 years
old). The guy has a habit of doing other unilateral things. All such
projects have to be approved by the building and the building's architect.
Plus the city in this case. So what do you do? He did not want to correct
his "error" so you sue, collectively.

We don't make any money off the suit, merely required that the holes
be filled in properly, inspected by an exterior expert. All the guy
risks of having to pay our legal fees if he loses, possibly a couple
of thousand euros. One might think this would be an easy to resolve
suit, but delays are involved (and his lawyer dies!) and we have
other issues in the same suit.

Runge

Wow thanks !
we don't get newspapers here in Europe and there is no TV !

"Tom" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected] om...
    > Reports out of Texas today have Lance Armstrong hinting at returning to
    > the Tour de France next year. Lance says that he is considering doing
    > it just to iritate the French after the numerous false allegations of
    > doping.
    >

Runge

Merci professeur
Everyone feels relieved

"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
BF44D665.79375%[email protected]...
    > On 7/09/05 16:50, in article [email protected],
    > "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Why doesn't he have them for libel?
    > That is being considered. Such suits are long in France but possible.
    >

Pantagruel

I think he's just hinting at it to piss off the French,

As a matter of fact, those were his words, per today's Austin paper.

Carole Allen

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:10:08 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:
    >One press report did say he had blood which had extraordinary oxygen
    >carrying capacity but did not explain why. EPO does that but what
    >else. Armstrong does exceedingly well on the mountains and French TV
    >news reports show in training in the same areas in the cold dank of
    >winter. The man worked very hard on training. Ulrich, one of his
    >top competitors, is known to gain weight in the winter and not be
    >in great shape even as the tour starts. Armstrong never gets
    >caught short in that fashion.

Reports are that EPO is produced naturally in the kidneys (or as a
by-product of kidney filtration?)...at any rate, I wonder about the
possibility that the chemo and treatment he received for the cancer,
in combination with his training regimen, has somehow changed his body
chemistry. Reports have pointed out that post cancer treatment his
body appearance was changed - leaner and stronger.

I remember some papers claiming that he had never even had cancer -
that it was all hype. Clearly the man made a remarkable recovery from
extensive cancer, so those reports were bogus. Who knows what to
believe? I just can't imagine that having faced death,and having gone
through horrid treatment to survive, that he would ingest something
that could endanger his life all over again.

Bob Vandiver

In article <BF44D6B9.79376%[email protected]>,
Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On 7/09/05 16:51, in article
    > [email protected]. com,
    > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > He's stated that he may do so. However, he's already involved in a
    > > number of other lawsuits, and they take a lot of energy and money, for
    > > an uncertain outcome, even if you're in the right.
    > >
    >
    >
    > We are involved in a couple in France now. I would say that one should
    > avoid suing in France if possible. You never get much and it merely
    > makes the lawyers richer.

And that is different from lawsuits in the U.S. because...?

Bob Vandiver

Earl Evleth

On 8/09/05 4:05, in article [email protected], "Carole
Allen" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Reports are that EPO is produced naturally in the kidneys (or as a
    > by-product of kidney filtration?)...at any rate, I wonder about the
    > possibility that the chemo and treatment he received for the cancer,
    > in combination with his training regimen, has somehow changed his body
    > chemistry. Reports have pointed out that post cancer treatment his
    > body appearance was changed - leaner and stronger.

He received EPO in 95 for his cancer treatment according to one
article. There is natural EPO and synthetic, the later being
different enough to detect, in the hands of a good technician.

    > I remember some papers claiming that he had never even had cancer -
    > that it was all hype. Clearly the man made a remarkable recovery from
    > extensive cancer, so those reports were bogus. Who knows what to
    > believe? I just can't imagine that having faced death,and having gone
    > through horrid treatment to survive, that he would ingest something
    > that could endanger his life all over again.

In one respects he was lucky, since apparently his form of cancer does have
a high although not 100% death rate.

As for taking medication, he was in the necessary habit of doing so and it
was doing good things for him. And he had taken EPO too. So I don't think
your argument is unchallengable.

My previous point is that his performance during the 7 winning years was
consistent better, and up hill. There is no accusation that he took
drugs the other years. His performance enhancement is more likely to
have come from rigorous training and obsessive commitment to winning.

The mystery still is how he was able not merely to live on but do better
than before. In what way did his body reaction which produced this
enhancement. I suspect he has been medically examined to find out why
but it probably remains a mystery.

The greatest mystery of cycling is why cyclists put themselves through
hell. It does not look like fun at all.

When one vacations in France in the summer one sees a lot of people out on
the roads on bikes, some are dressed up in cycling outfits. We in the
Var and took one trip up one of the main peak overlooking Toulon. A narrow
road, no other motorists but a number of cyclists trudging up to the top.

I imagine they feel "holier than thou" but then they earned
a right to.

Earl Evleth

On 8/09/05 8:06, in article [email protected],
"Bob Vandiver" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > And that is different from lawsuits in the U.S. because...?

You don't make million dollars off a law suit in France!

³Coffee Spill Burns Woman; Jury Awards $2.9 Million,²

Note that she spilled coffee on herself. But the defenders
of the suit (against McDonalds) point out they sold
their coffee too hot. The company has since cut down on
the temperature. Indeed "coffee" in the US is often sold
too hot. Very hot, no taste.

If you like a nice novel, read Grisham's "The Runaway Jury".

Martin

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:43:26 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On 8/09/05 8:06, in article [email protected],
    >"Bob Vandiver" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> And that is different from lawsuits in the U.S. because...?
    >You don't make million dollars off a law suit in France!
    >³Coffee Spill Burns Woman; Jury Awards $2.9 Million,²
    >Note that she spilled coffee on herself. But the defenders
    >of the suit (against McDonalds) point out they sold
    >their coffee too hot. The company has since cut down on
    >the temperature. Indeed "coffee" in the US is often sold
    >too hot. Very hot, no taste.

It's still sold scolding hot in McDs and elsewhere in NL. In a an
exhibition hall I picked up a paper cup of coffee which collapsed, the
coffee was hot enough to blister my hand.
--
Martin

Earl Evleth

On 8/09/05 10:11, in article [email protected],
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > It's still sold scolding hot in McDs and elsewhere in NL. In a an
    > exhibition hall I picked up a paper cup of coffee which collapsed, the
    > coffee was hot enough to blister my hand.


So sue!

But it is a mystery why American coffee is super hot. Expresso does not
seem to come super hot. I wonder if anybody has made a study.