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Old Jul 26th 2004, 11:57 am
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Frank F. Matthews
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    > "doctor scrumpy" <member7547@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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    >>is and will always be a Christian nation. But I know in less than 35
    >>years the US will be predominantly Hispanic..Bring on El Presidente !

mimi wrote:
    > Most Hispanics, in the US and elsewhere, consider themselves Christian. Or
    > don't you count Catholics?
    > Marianne

Things have been shaken up now that the US is not a majority Protestant
country. Of course, the evangelical protestants are having good success
with Hispanics (or really Indios) both in the US and at home.
 
Old Jul 26th 2004, 12:04 pm
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jenn wrote:

    > emmanuel wrote:
    >
    >> [email protected] (Laura Bush murdered her boy friend) wrote in
    >> news:[email protected]:
    >>> [email protected] (Bobby Fischler) wrote in message
    >>> news:<[email protected]. com>...
    >>>> http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/18138.htm
    >>>> July 22, 2004 -- Asinine German cycling fans harassed five-time Tour
    >>>> de France champion Lance Armstrong during yesterday's grueling ride
    >>>> though the French Alps ? two of the "idiots" spat on him, and another
    >>>> spectator chased him while wearing a "F - - - Bush" T-shirt. By the
    >>>> end of the day, of course, the spit on Armstrong was exchanged for a
    >>>> bath of champagne, thanks to the Texan's time-trial victory.
    >>>> But the win did not erase what had happened.
    >>>> "I don't think it's safe," said Armstrong
    >>>> That sentiment was captured in a roadside sign last week that read,
    >>>> "Lance Go Home."
    >>>> As a result, Armstrong has bodyguards during the three-week race.
    >>>> "Nothing against the French, but in France, they're after us,"
    >>>> Armstrong said.

    >>> I didn't know lance was from texas. No wonder he's a nazi. He got
    >>> what he deserved.

    >> Certainly not.
    >> He's a great champion, he seems to enjoy France and has a lot of fans
    >> here, and as far as I remember, he said before the Iraqi war that it
    >> was a mistake. Those who spat on him are idiots, but it's only 2
    >> people out of 800 000 supporters.

    > and cyclists from other countries also complained about the unruly
    > German fans and the general lack of safety for riders as fans both
    > hostile and friendly ran into the course, touched the riders and
    > generally made nuisances of themselves. it amazes me that this is not
    > better controlled since the great Eddie Merck actually had a Tour de
    > France stolen from him when he was assaulted on the course, injured and
    > was unable to win as a result.

The race organizers have my sympathy. To be fair they have made an
effort to control crowd intrusion is especially critical places like
finishing lines. Unfortunately it is a very long race and the
spectators have made intrusion significant at some points. I suppose
that they will just have to keep expanding the areas subject to crowd
control. For much of the race out in the country it was not a problem.
A couple of mountain climbs, especially the time trial, were ridiculous.
 
Old Jul 26th 2004, 7:04 pm
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On 26/07/04 19:29, in article [email protected],
"Malev" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:38:10 +0000 (UTC), Valiant <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>> I am going to France next summer, and as usual, I have nothing to fear.
    >>> French people don't hate Americans, but they do hate self righteous
    >>> jingoists.
    >>
    >> Oh yeah, I guess that's why so many of them spike tourist food and put
    >> "Americans Go Home" signs on their windows.
    >
    > You are a ****ing idiot.


I have lived here 30 years and have not seen anti-American
graffiti in years in France. In fact, in our quartier's graffiti on the
walls has disappeared and has for the last couple of years. If one
is coming in by train one sees a lot of it on the walls visible from
the train but "in city" graffiti has largely disappeared. Even on the
metro it has decreased to a level far below a couple of years ago.

The last time I saw a "Yankee Go Home" sign was in Crete years ago,
and that was posted by the local communists after the US had removed
his military air installation there. I commented "we have gone home"!
They were beating a dead horse.

Next, I am American but also hold French citizenship, speak French
and shoot the breeze with a lot of people, French. I have long
concluded that anti-Bush my sentiments are shared by nearly all the French I
know. It is not even make interesting conversation trying to tell
the French how terrible Bush is, they are ahead of me.

But that is also true with regard to visitors. We went out to dinner
last night with a woman (from Boston) and her friend (from NYC), both
anti-Bush. I have not ran into a pro-Bush American yet face to face.
Even on the News Groups, the pro-Bushies use false names! Being pro-Bush
is a badge of shame.

Next, I don't hide my American part, I wear sweat shirts quite a bit,
from Arizona, California, and presently have on my "Sanibel Island"
light sweater-sweat shirt. But then many Europeans wear American things,
I have seen French teenagers with American Flag sweaters on. The
American flag is spectacularly pretty and unusual compared to most
other flags (The French flag, like most, is a bore) except the nice
green ones with a Islamic motif and a few others.

"Spiking food"? Is that a purposeful lie? I have never heard of such
a thing. I was curious and google that on Google news (nothing)
and nothing with regard to Europe on Google general.

I only found two references on "spike food" on Google groups,
the one here which was heavily cross posted, a form of spamming.
Note that "Valiant <[email protected]>" does not use his/her
real name, neither valiant nor courageous and certainly laced
with fear. And a liar to boot.

We are living in an era of lying and distortion.

Earl
 
Old Jul 27th 2004, 5:13 am
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"MrPepper11" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > San Francisco Chronicle
    > July 26, 2004
    > Exalt carefully
    > by David Steele

Next time send a link; you're breaking the copyright laws.

Marianne
 
Old Jul 27th 2004, 8:31 am
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    >Do you have any real evidence for the prevalence of "Americans Go Home"
    >signs. I spent a week and a half in Paris and didn't notice any in
    >either English or French.


He's talking through his arse.

There were shitloads of americans in Paris last week, and the ones I
talked to had nowt but praise for the french.
 
Old Jul 27th 2004, 11:13 pm
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Following up to Earl Evleth

    >The
    >American flag is spectacularly pretty and unusual compared to most
    >other flags

The Greek flag is rather similar to the US.
I have to say the UK union flag is just as interesting but with
added symmetry! As is the Basque flag.
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Old Jul 27th 2004, 11:32 pm
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:13:38 +0100, The Reids wrote:

    > Following up to Earl Evleth
    >
    >>The
    >>American flag is spectacularly pretty and unusual compared to most
    >>other flags

Only an American could have said that. Or a blind person. It often seems to
be the same thing.

    > The Greek flag is rather similar to the US.
    > I have to say the UK union flag is just as interesting but with
    > added symmetry! As is the Basque flag.

And Antugua, Afghanistan, American Samoa, Alderney, Bahamas, Bahrain,
Bosnia-Herzegovina, Belarus, Bangladesh, Belize and Burundi. All quite
interesting and different, and that's only the As and Bs.

I find the USA flag neither unusual in its general layout (a great many
flags have a square of something in the top left corner - mostly ex British
colonies) nor pretty. And as Mike points out it's extremely similar to the
Greek flag.

Now, the Nepal flag is pretty unusual and I think the Welsh flag is pretty,
and unusual.

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Old Jul 28th 2004, 1:54 am
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The Reids wrote:

    > Following up to Earl Evleth

    >>The
    >>American flag is spectacularly pretty and unusual compared to most
    >>other flags

    > The Greek flag is rather similar to the US.
    > I have to say the UK union flag is just as interesting but with
    > added symmetry! As is the Basque flag.

Of course with the Union flag you have to watch for subtle asymmetries.
Watch the width of the white diagonals.
 
Old Jul 28th 2004, 1:58 am
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:54:40 GMT, Frank F. Matthews wrote:

    > The Reids wrote:
    >
    >> Following up to Earl Evleth
    >
    >>>The
    >>>American flag is spectacularly pretty and unusual compared to most
    >>>other flags
    >
    >> The Greek flag is rather similar to the US.
    >> I have to say the UK union flag is just as interesting but with
    >> added symmetry! As is the Basque flag.
    >
    > Of course with the Union flag you have to watch for subtle asymmetries.
    > Watch the width of the white diagonals.

Flying it upside-down was/is a used as a warning of treachery. Most Brits
down know which way up it should be anyway.

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Old Jul 28th 2004, 2:14 am
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Following up to Tim Challenger

    > Most Brits
    >down know which way up it should be anyway.

including me.
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Old Jul 28th 2004, 2:38 am
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:14:40 +0100, The Reids wrote:

    > Following up to Tim Challenger
    >
    >> Most Brits
    >>down know which way up it should be anyway.
    >
    > including me.

The diagonal white stripes closest to the flagpole are wider above the
diagonal red line than below. Similarly those away from the flagpole are
wider below the red diagonals.
see : http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-hist.html

I wasn't aware that the Union Flag (aka the Union Jack) is in fact a royal
flag and used with HM's permission and was never officially adopted by law
as the national flag. Also it is illegal for a civilian ship to fly it.
Loads of useful/less information on the above site.

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Old Jul 28th 2004, 2:59 am
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Following up to Tim Challenger

    >The diagonal white stripes closest to the flagpole are wider above the
    >diagonal red line than below. Similarly those away from the flagpole are
    >wider below the red diagonals.

all I have to do now is remember.

    >see : http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-hist.html
    >I wasn't aware that the Union Flag (aka the Union Jack) is in fact a royal
    >flag and used with HM's permission

Odd, they after all have the royal standard, its tempting to have
a slightly modified version made, and see if they could stop you
    :-)

    >and was never officially adopted by law
    >as the national flag.

    >Also it is illegal for a civilian ship to fly it.

IIRC civilian ships should fly the red ensign (red duster) from
the stern, navy ships the white ensign and the union jack from
the jackstaff on the bow,"naval auxiliaries" the blue ensign (I
think that's things like the lifeboat service).
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/thame050x.htm"
When visiting another country it is a courtesy to fly *their*
flag midships from the yard or whatever its called, i'm not sure
if that would be the union flag or the ensign?
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Old Jul 28th 2004, 3:03 am
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:59:29 +0100, The Reids wrote:

    > Following up to Tim Challenger
    >
    >>The diagonal white stripes closest to the flagpole are wider above the
    >>diagonal red line than below. Similarly those away from the flagpole are
    >>wider below the red diagonals.
    >
    > all I have to do now is remember.
    >
    >>see : http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-hist.html
    >>I wasn't aware that the Union Flag (aka the Union Jack) is in fact a royal
    >>flag and used with HM's permission
    >
    > Odd, they after all have the royal standard, its tempting to have
    > a slightly modified version made, and see if they could stop you
    > :-)
    >
    >>and was never officially adopted by law
    >>as the national flag.
    >
    >>Also it is illegal for a civilian ship to fly it.
    >
    > IIRC civilian ships should fly the red ensign (red duster) from
    > the stern, navy ships the white ensign and the union jack from
    > the jackstaff on the bow,"naval auxiliaries" the blue ensign (I
    > think that's things like the lifeboat service).
    > "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/thame050x.htm"
    > When visiting another country it is a courtesy to fly *their*
    > flag midships from the yard or whatever its called, i'm not sure
    > if that would be the union flag or the ensign?

Oh good grief, I opened up a can of worms there, didn't I?
I haven't the faintest idea. It's all so wonderfully wrapped up in history
and customs to be almost unfathomable (no pun intended).

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Old Jul 28th 2004, 3:18 am
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    > "There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
    > is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand

What absolute drivel.
 
Old Jul 28th 2004, 4:32 am
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"The Reids" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > including me.
    > --
Top left towards fly should be broad (I think!).

Surreyman
 


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