It's Hard Out Here For A Wimp
Mar 13th 2006, 1:24 am
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Following up to Martin
>>It would help if they bunged a load of tax on fuel, wouldnt it?
>It hasn't made any difference in Europe.
Really? I think pushing up fuel tax was a big incentive to
manufacturers to improve fuel efficiency.
>Do you judge the whole of Europe by what is driven in central London?
Of course not.
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>>It would help if they bunged a load of tax on fuel, wouldnt it?
>It hasn't made any difference in Europe.
Really? I think pushing up fuel tax was a big incentive to
manufacturers to improve fuel efficiency.
>Do you judge the whole of Europe by what is driven in central London?
Of course not.
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Mike Reid
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Mar 13th 2006, 3:10 am
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:24:28 +0000, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>>It would help if they bunged a load of tax on fuel, wouldnt it?
>>It hasn't made any difference in Europe.
>Really? I think pushing up fuel tax was a big incentive to
>manufacturers to improve fuel efficiency.
It hasn't stopped people buying SUVs and 4WDs in Europe.
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>>It would help if they bunged a load of tax on fuel, wouldnt it?
>>It hasn't made any difference in Europe.
>Really? I think pushing up fuel tax was a big incentive to
>manufacturers to improve fuel efficiency.
It hasn't stopped people buying SUVs and 4WDs in Europe.
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Martin
Mar 13th 2006, 3:28 am
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Following up to Martin
>>Really? I think pushing up fuel tax was a big incentive to
>>manufacturers to improve fuel efficiency.
>It hasn't stopped people buying SUVs and 4WDs in Europe.
>--
yes, some people. Are you really claiming US average cc are the
same euro average cc?
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>>Really? I think pushing up fuel tax was a big incentive to
>>manufacturers to improve fuel efficiency.
>It hasn't stopped people buying SUVs and 4WDs in Europe.
>--
yes, some people. Are you really claiming US average cc are the
same euro average cc?
--
Mike Reid
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Mar 13th 2006, 3:40 am
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:14 +0000, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>>Really? I think pushing up fuel tax was a big incentive to
>>>manufacturers to improve fuel efficiency.
>>It hasn't stopped people buying SUVs and 4WDs in Europe.
>>--
>yes, some people. Are you really claiming US average cc are the
>same euro average cc?
I'm saying that increasing fuel taxes have not effected the types of
cars people buy nor reduced the number of cars on the road.
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>>Really? I think pushing up fuel tax was a big incentive to
>>>manufacturers to improve fuel efficiency.
>>It hasn't stopped people buying SUVs and 4WDs in Europe.
>>--
>yes, some people. Are you really claiming US average cc are the
>same euro average cc?
I'm saying that increasing fuel taxes have not effected the types of
cars people buy nor reduced the number of cars on the road.
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Martin
Mar 13th 2006, 3:45 am
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The cost of gasoline in the US is already half taxes... Tobacco is even
worse.
Tim K
"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Following up to Martin
> >(18 mph).
> >
> >mpg?
> yes, i;m sure its faster than that!
> >If you visit the USA you will find that there are also many small
> >economical Japanese cars on the roads.
> Sure, but the average size of cars and those giant RVs and SUVs
> is bigger than here, surely you dont deny that? My friends in
> Texas say that typical vehicles there are pick up trucks or SUVs
> not Nissan Micras.
> It would help if they bunged a load of tax on fuel, wouldnt it?
> --
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worse.
Tim K
"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Following up to Martin
> >(18 mph).
> >
> >mpg?
> yes, i;m sure its faster than that!
> >If you visit the USA you will find that there are also many small
> >economical Japanese cars on the roads.
> Sure, but the average size of cars and those giant RVs and SUVs
> is bigger than here, surely you dont deny that? My friends in
> Texas say that typical vehicles there are pick up trucks or SUVs
> not Nissan Micras.
> It would help if they bunged a load of tax on fuel, wouldnt it?
> --
> Mike Reid
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Mar 13th 2006, 3:52 am
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:45:07 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The cost of gasoline in the US is already half taxes... Tobacco is even
>worse.
You aint seen nothing yet :o)
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The cost of gasoline in the US is already half taxes... Tobacco is even
>worse.
You aint seen nothing yet :o)
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Martin
Mar 13th 2006, 4:03 am
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You're hard pressed in the US to even get 'free air' in your tires any
more... :-(
Tim K
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:45:07 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >The cost of gasoline in the US is already half taxes... Tobacco is
even
> >worse.
> You aint seen nothing yet :o)
> --
> Martin
more... :-(
Tim K
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:45:07 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >The cost of gasoline in the US is already half taxes... Tobacco is
even
> >worse.
> You aint seen nothing yet :o)
> --
> Martin
Mar 13th 2006, 4:06 am
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Following up to Martin
>>yes, some people. Are you really claiming US average cc are the
>>same euro average cc?
>I'm saying that increasing fuel taxes have not effected the types of
>cars people buy
I think it has
>nor reduced the number of cars on the road.
never thought it did.
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>>yes, some people. Are you really claiming US average cc are the
>>same euro average cc?
>I'm saying that increasing fuel taxes have not effected the types of
>cars people buy
I think it has
>nor reduced the number of cars on the road.
never thought it did.
--
Mike Reid
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Mar 13th 2006, 4:47 am
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:06:28 +0000, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>>yes, some people. Are you really claiming US average cc are the
>>>same euro average cc?
>>I'm saying that increasing fuel taxes have not effected the types of
>>cars people buy
>I think it has
"30% said they would like to buy an SUV"
>>nor reduced the number of cars on the road.
>never thought it did.
The current fuel price is way past the level that was predicted as
being necessary to reduce the number of cars on the roads.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>>yes, some people. Are you really claiming US average cc are the
>>>same euro average cc?
>>I'm saying that increasing fuel taxes have not effected the types of
>>cars people buy
>I think it has
"30% said they would like to buy an SUV"
>>nor reduced the number of cars on the road.
>never thought it did.
The current fuel price is way past the level that was predicted as
being necessary to reduce the number of cars on the roads.
--
Martin
Mar 13th 2006, 5:50 am
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Following up to Martin
>>>I'm saying that increasing fuel taxes have not effected the types of
>>>cars people buy
>>I think it has
>"30% said they would like to buy an SUV"
so that's 24% deterred by fuel prices.
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Mike Reid
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>>>I'm saying that increasing fuel taxes have not effected the types of
>>>cars people buy
>>I think it has
>"30% said they would like to buy an SUV"
so that's 24% deterred by fuel prices.
--
Mike Reid
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Mar 13th 2006, 8:03 am
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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to Martin
>
> >>indeed, they should have driven smaller cars!
> >
> >pot kettle black?
>
> No, I use a tiny car for short runs and a medium one for long
> motorway runs,
My, you are the conservationist, aren't you?
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> Following up to Martin
>
> >>indeed, they should have driven smaller cars!
> >
> >pot kettle black?
>
> No, I use a tiny car for short runs and a medium one for long
> motorway runs,
My, you are the conservationist, aren't you?
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
Mar 13th 2006, 8:03 am
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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to Martin
>
> >>yes, some people. Are you really claiming US average cc are the
> >>same euro average cc?
> >
> >I'm saying that increasing fuel taxes have not effected the types of
> >cars people buy
>
> I think it has
What's the evidence of that? All I see in the UK are increasingly larger
cars. I'd be interested to see some stats. I don't deny that the bigger
cars are more efficient than they were previously, but they're still
pretty wasteful.
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
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> Following up to Martin
>
> >>yes, some people. Are you really claiming US average cc are the
> >>same euro average cc?
> >
> >I'm saying that increasing fuel taxes have not effected the types of
> >cars people buy
>
> I think it has
What's the evidence of that? All I see in the UK are increasingly larger
cars. I'd be interested to see some stats. I don't deny that the bigger
cars are more efficient than they were previously, but they're still
pretty wasteful.
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
Mar 13th 2006, 10:53 am
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:03:33 +0000,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich
tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>> No, I use a tiny car for short runs and a medium one for long
>> motorway runs,
>My, you are the conservationist, aren't you?
Yep. Really conserved all that energy and materials used to
manufacture that second car...
Cheers, Alan, Australia
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich
tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>> No, I use a tiny car for short runs and a medium one for long
>> motorway runs,
>My, you are the conservationist, aren't you?
Yep. Really conserved all that energy and materials used to
manufacture that second car...
Cheers, Alan, Australia
Mar 13th 2006, 8:40 pm
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Following up to David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of
besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
>> I think it has
>What's the evidence of that? All I see in the UK are increasingly larger
>cars. I'd be interested to see some stats. I don't deny that the bigger
>cars are more efficient than they were previously, but they're still
>pretty wasteful.
I think you're mindset is seeing the SUVs but not the dual fuel
Prius or the quite large number of Smart cars appearing, even
though pricey and mostly wrong side drive. The important thing
isn't the body size (which has on average increased I think) ,
its the engine size and the MPG.
I'm not going to buy a tiny first car as it wont meet my maximum
needs of 4 seats + large boot space or two seats and the back
seat folded down for luggage, I imagine that or greater
requirement applies to many people.
Now they have made diesels work well, many are switching for the
fuel economy (there's not much other reason to do so) I haven't
had a petrol hire car in years. Not sure about emissions side of
diesels, but they are proof expensive fuel has made people very
sensitive to MPG and its had a big effect on car design.
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
>> I think it has
>What's the evidence of that? All I see in the UK are increasingly larger
>cars. I'd be interested to see some stats. I don't deny that the bigger
>cars are more efficient than they were previously, but they're still
>pretty wasteful.
I think you're mindset is seeing the SUVs but not the dual fuel
Prius or the quite large number of Smart cars appearing, even
though pricey and mostly wrong side drive. The important thing
isn't the body size (which has on average increased I think) ,
its the engine size and the MPG.
I'm not going to buy a tiny first car as it wont meet my maximum
needs of 4 seats + large boot space or two seats and the back
seat folded down for luggage, I imagine that or greater
requirement applies to many people.
Now they have made diesels work well, many are switching for the
fuel economy (there's not much other reason to do so) I haven't
had a petrol hire car in years. Not sure about emissions side of
diesels, but they are proof expensive fuel has made people very
sensitive to MPG and its had a big effect on car design.
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Mar 13th 2006, 8:40 pm
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Following up to David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of
besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
>> No, I use a tiny car for short runs and a medium one for long
>> motorway runs,
>My, you are the conservationist, aren't you?
Not in transport if being a conservationist means abandoning all
the holidays I enjoy, which it would in current circumstances.
That's the bottom line, me and people like me would vote out any
government that tries to stop us, so look at the sensible ideas
like zero emissions and dual fuels. I'm not going to
Muckleflugger on the bus.
--
Mike Reid
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besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
>> No, I use a tiny car for short runs and a medium one for long
>> motorway runs,
>My, you are the conservationist, aren't you?
Not in transport if being a conservationist means abandoning all
the holidays I enjoy, which it would in current circumstances.
That's the bottom line, me and people like me would vote out any
government that tries to stop us, so look at the sensible ideas
like zero emissions and dual fuels. I'm not going to
Muckleflugger on the bus.
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
