Piero

poldy ha scritto:

> That and the coperto to boost margins?

Maybe, but happily in Italy you can forget the tip and almost no one
will care...

Ciao, Piero.

Poldy

In article <[email protected]>,
Piero <[email protected]> wrote:

> I too, but ONLY in mountain areas...
> In other places "l'acqua del rubinetto" tastes often very poor (but is
> almost everywhere healty).
> Happily in Italy mineral water, "l'acqua minerale", is very cheap,
> mainly because, as stated before, here very few people drinks "l'acqua
> del rubinetto".
> Some restaurant, also, supply "purified water", that is normally "acqua
> del rubinetto" filtered and deodorized and, if needed, gasified.
> Someone do it for free, others charge customers for purified water.
>
> > It is not uncommon in mountain areas to have some public fountain near a
> > source (sometimes the same "captated" for the local acqueduct, or even
> > by a mineral water factory), and to find people going there with a car
> > and a few baskets of 1.5 l bottles to refill them, because that source
> > has a "good fame".
>
> Absolutely true, but I remember: ONLY on mountain zones, or maybe near
> mineral sources.

I thought the taps in Rome were suppose to be good. The ones outdoors
which people use to refill their bottles.

David Horne

poldy <[email protected]> wrote:

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> I gathered part of it is to mark up the bottled water.
>
> That and the coperto to boost margins?

I liked the way that in Portugal, they put out various things as 'cover'
(bread, olives, etc.) but you were only charged for things that you ate.

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David Horne

Piero <[email protected]> wrote:

> poldy ha scritto:
>
> > That and the coperto to boost margins?
>
> Maybe, but happily in Italy you can forget the tip and almost no one
> will care...

We ate recently at a restaurant in Venice which added a 12% service
charge. I realise that Venice is very different from the rest of the
country in this regard. As it happened, we both enjoyed the meal very
much. It didn't bother me- I'd go again.

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Poetic Justice

poldy wrote:
>I thought the taps in Rome were suppose
>to be good. The ones outdoors which
>people use to refill their bottles.

They are, *especially* the outdoor drinking ones ('il nasone' or nose;
not sure of the exact translation).

They are feed by many of the same springs far outside of Rome that used
to supply the Aqua Marcia.

Of ancient Rome's 11 aqueducts the Aqua Marcia (140BC - 91km) was *the*
best tasting and the coldest.
A few ancient writers have commented about this water (best, coldest)
including Pliny who also said it was wholesome (healthy).

Those springs were tapped again in the later 1800s for Rome's drinking
water and were tied-in to the hundreds of outdoor drinking fountains.
Regards, Walter



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Deeply Filled Mortician

Make credence recognised that on Sun, 13 May 2007 17:33:19 +0200,
Piero <[email protected]> has scripted:

>Deeply Filled Mortician ha scritto:
>
>>>> You could try "acqua dal rubinetto"
>>> I'd say "acqua DEL rubinetto" ... otherwise ask for "una brocca d'acqua"
>>> (a jar of water), and that implies tap water.
>>
>> dal, del, I know I make a lot of little mistakes in Italian. The only
>> way I can maintain my fluency is to not care to much about it.
>
>Is not a mistake...
>It changes the meanings, but is correct.
>Acqua DAL rubinetto = water FROM the tap
>Acqua DEL rubinetto = water OF the tap (tap's water)
>
>Different meaning, same result
>Normally we say 'acqua DEL rubinetto'.

Usually it's a question of naturale vs frizzante.
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Deeply Filled Mortician

Make credence recognised that on Sun, 13 May 2007 15:16:07 -0400,
[email protected] (Poetic Justice) has scripted:

>poldy wrote:
>>I thought the taps in Rome were suppose
>>to be good. The ones outdoors which
>>people use to refill their bottles.
>
> They are, *especially* the outdoor drinking ones ('il nasone' or nose;
>not sure of the exact translation).

'naso' is a nose. 'nasone' would be a big one!

> They are feed by many of the same springs far outside of Rome that used
>to supply the Aqua Marcia.
>
> Of ancient Rome's 11 aqueducts the Aqua Marcia (140BC - 91km) was *the*
>best tasting and the coldest.
> A few ancient writers have commented about this water (best, coldest)
>including Pliny who also said it was wholesome (healthy).
>
> Those springs were tapped again in the later 1800s for Rome's drinking
>water and were tied-in to the hundreds of outdoor drinking fountains.

Rome's water supply is legendary. It was the pride of the Roman
empire.
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Poetic Justice

Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:

>They are, *especially* the outdoor drinking
>ones ('il nasone' or nose; not sure of the
>exact translation).

>'naso' is a nose. 'nasone' would be a big
>one!

Thanks, I knew I had the right part of the anatomy at least.

But I doubt whoever first anatomically nicknamed these fountains, 'big
nose' wasn't their first impression .
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0px-Nasone.jpg
Regards, Walter



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Giovanni Drogo

On Sun, 13 May 2007, poldy wrote:

[...]
> > Absolutely true, but I remember: ONLY on mountain zones, or maybe near
> > mineral sources.
>
> I thought the taps in Rome were suppose to be good.

AFAIK water in Rome comes mainly from the sources of river Peschiera via
a long aqueduct, and has fame to be good.

In most northern Italian cities water comes from deep wells, capturing
the deep underground water descending from the Alps under the
impermeable clay layer under the Po plain, so it is equally good. There
were concerns for the less deep wells to be polluted by chemicals.

But there are no hygienic (bacteriological) problems anywhere in Italy,
and tap water has very rarely the chlorinated taste often found in other
countries.

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Giovanni Drogo

On Sun, 13 May 2007, Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:

> Usually it's a question of naturale vs frizzante.

... or Ferrarelle :-) (to quote a popular ad, but is not the only case
of "naturally sparkling" bottled water)

"Frizzante" (sparkling) or "gassata" (with gas) means that CO2 is added
at the source which can be excessive (although not at the level they do
in Germany)

"naturally sparkling" waters (like Ferrarelle or Uliveto) have a
moderate CO2 content at the source and are more bearable (the two cases
quoted have an high calcium content, which is the reason I drink them
since I eat no milk or cheese)

When I was a child, it was also popular (at home) to make tap water
sparkling with some powders (Idrolitina and Frizzina were the most
popular brands), based on tartaric acid and some other catalyst.

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Poldy

In article
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Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 13 May 2007, poldy wrote:
>
> [...]
> > > Absolutely true, but I remember: ONLY on mountain zones, or maybe near
> > > mineral sources.
> >
> > I thought the taps in Rome were suppose to be good.
>
> AFAIK water in Rome comes mainly from the sources of river Peschiera via
> a long aqueduct, and has fame to be good.
>
> In most northern Italian cities water comes from deep wells, capturing
> the deep underground water descending from the Alps under the
> impermeable clay layer under the Po plain, so it is equally good. There
> were concerns for the less deep wells to be polluted by chemicals.
>
> But there are no hygienic (bacteriological) problems anywhere in Italy,
> and tap water has very rarely the chlorinated taste often found in other
> countries.

Hmm, I heard children were suffering more tooth decay because they
consumed less flouridated water. Not sure if they were necessarily
talking about Italy or Europe.

There is a thread on Fodors.com forums about ordering tap water in
restos in Italy.

Many accounts of it just not being done, Italians saying if they don't
get bottled water at restos there, it would be like not paying tip in US
restos.

Some claim requests were refused, saying not possible.

Some suspicions of bottled water being filled with tap water because the
bottle was already open when they brought it to the table and so forth.

Ken Blake

Giovanni Drogo wrote:

> On Sun, 13 May 2007, poldy wrote:
>
> [...]
>>> Absolutely true, but I remember: ONLY on mountain zones, or maybe
>>> near mineral sources.
>>
>> I thought the taps in Rome were suppose to be good.
>
> AFAIK water in Rome comes mainly from the sources of river Peschiera
> via a long aqueduct, and has fame to be good.
>
> In most northern Italian cities water comes from deep wells, capturing
> the deep underground water descending from the Alps under the
> impermeable clay layer under the Po plain, so it is equally good.
> There were concerns for the less deep wells to be polluted by
> chemicals.
>
> But there are no hygienic (bacteriological) problems anywhere in
> Italy,


*Anywhere* in Italy? I remember the sign in my hotel room in Agrigento
reading "aqua non potabile."

Certainly it's rare, but I don't think "anywhere" can be correct.

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Deeply Filled Mortician

Make credence recognised that on Thu, 17 May 2007 11:35:34 -0700,
poldy <[email protected]> has scripted:

>Some suspicions of bottled water being filled with tap water because the
>bottle was already open when they brought it to the table and so forth.

Another reason to order frizzante!
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Giovanni Drogo

On Thu, 17 May 2007, Ken Blake wrote:
> Giovanni Drogo wrote:

> > But there are no hygienic (bacteriological) problems anywhere in
> > Italy,

> *Anywhere* in Italy? I remember the sign in my hotel room in Agrigento
> reading "aqua non potabile."

I meant that wherever there is a drinkable (potabile) water supply, the
aqueducts are checked for bacteriological and chemical pollution, and I
have never heard of diseases due to bacteriological contamination (while
I heard about supply being discontinued due to chemical pollution).

The supply you refer too was of water suitable for washing and not for
drinking, and as such clearly marked. This is not uncommon for some old
public fountains in country location, which are no longer mantained.

I believe Agrigento was the only place where I saw markings in hotel
rooms about water supply limited to some hours in the day (about "not
drinkable water" only in Cerro Paranal, Atacama desert, Chile :-)). I
know however that in some places in Sicily each house tend to have its
own reservoir to cope with disruptions in the supply. Water shortage can
occur also in minor islands.

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Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:

> Make credence recognised that on Thu, 17 May 2007 11:35:34 -0700,
> poldy <[email protected]> has scripted:
>
>
>>Some suspicions of bottled water being filled with tap water because the
>>bottle was already open when they brought it to the table and so forth.
>
>
> Another reason to order frizzante!

Not enough of a reason to ignore the taste of the fizzy variety.