Interesting Article on European Views
Feb 22nd 2003, 8:20 pm
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Re: Of "Hawks" and "Doves (Pigeons)" (WAS: Interesting Article on European Views
le Sun, 23 Feb 2003 06:38:08 GMT, dans l'article , Gregory Morrow a dit ...
{ snip adolescent, chest-beating rhetoric }
> Will YOU be someone's dinner, or will you soar *triumphantly* in the sky, a
> thing of glory to be admired and feared....???
Hawks kill to eat.
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{ snip adolescent, chest-beating rhetoric }
> Will YOU be someone's dinner, or will you soar *triumphantly* in the sky, a
> thing of glory to be admired and feared....???
Hawks kill to eat.
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
Feb 23rd 2003, 12:07 am
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Re: Of "Hawks" and "Doves (Pigeons)" (WAS: Interesting Article on European Views
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:20:50 +0000, Desmond Coughlan
wrote:
>le Sun, 23 Feb 2003 06:38:08 GMT, dans l'article , Gregory Morrow a dit ...
>{ snip adolescent, chest-beating rhetoric }
>> Will YOU be someone's dinner, or will you soar *triumphantly* in the sky, a
>> thing of glory to be admired and feared....???
>Hawks kill to eat.
Doves, on the other hand, rely on the efforts of others, subsisting by
scavenging, handouts or leavings. The planted field, the strewn bread
crumbs and the remnants of a harvest, for examples.
wrote:
>le Sun, 23 Feb 2003 06:38:08 GMT, dans l'article , Gregory Morrow a dit ...
>{ snip adolescent, chest-beating rhetoric }
>> Will YOU be someone's dinner, or will you soar *triumphantly* in the sky, a
>> thing of glory to be admired and feared....???
>Hawks kill to eat.
Doves, on the other hand, rely on the efforts of others, subsisting by
scavenging, handouts or leavings. The planted field, the strewn bread
crumbs and the remnants of a harvest, for examples.
Feb 23rd 2003, 4:06 am
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Re: Of "Hawks" and "Doves (Pigeons)" (WAS: Interesting Article on European Views
le Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:07:23 -0500, dans l'article , Ken Rose a dit ...
>>> Will YOU be someone's dinner, or will you soar *triumphantly* in the sky, a
>>> thing of glory to be admired and feared....???
>>Hawks kill to eat.
> Doves, on the other hand, rely on the efforts of others, subsisting by
> scavenging, handouts or leavings. The planted field, the strewn bread
> crumbs and the remnants of a harvest, for examples.
Whilst not killing.
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
>>> Will YOU be someone's dinner, or will you soar *triumphantly* in the sky, a
>>> thing of glory to be admired and feared....???
>>Hawks kill to eat.
> Doves, on the other hand, rely on the efforts of others, subsisting by
> scavenging, handouts or leavings. The planted field, the strewn bread
> crumbs and the remnants of a harvest, for examples.
Whilst not killing.
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
Feb 23rd 2003, 7:46 pm
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Re: Interesting Article on European Views
Following up to Girard
>as EU
>foreign policy chief Javier Solana recently conceded, most Europeans do
>not feel the slightest bit threatened by international terrorism and,
>indeed, fear Bush more than they fear Osama bin Laden.
well, I thought the rest of it was rubbish...........funny how people
can write reams and reams and still overlook the missing link between
Iraq and the terrorists.
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>as EU
>foreign policy chief Javier Solana recently conceded, most Europeans do
>not feel the slightest bit threatened by international terrorism and,
>indeed, fear Bush more than they fear Osama bin Laden.
well, I thought the rest of it was rubbish...........funny how people
can write reams and reams and still overlook the missing link between
Iraq and the terrorists.
--
Mike Reid
Land of roast meat "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/castile.htm"
(see web to email)
Feb 23rd 2003, 8:44 pm
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Re: Interesting Article on European Views
wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article , [email protected]
> (EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)) wrote:
> > You sound like Bertie Wooster! (Do people actually still TALK like
> > that, outside of Wodehouse dramatized for the telly?)
> Not really. Maybe the odd retired major-general in Tunbridge Wells.
There are still a few around - just pay a visit to the 19th hole of some of
the posher golf clubs in the South-East
> We don't wear bowler hats, summon hansom cabs in the London pea-souper,
only becasue th epea-soupers have gone
or
> eat roast beef particularly often, either
I usually manage it 2 or 3 times a month - usually at Sunday Lunch.
> Interesting point, though. I was going to say that it's language of the
> 20s/30s -- which only the very aged would have grown up with -- but I
> wonder if it was already old-fashioned by then, and if that was part of
> Wodehouse's joke.
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> In article , [email protected]
> (EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)) wrote:
> > You sound like Bertie Wooster! (Do people actually still TALK like
> > that, outside of Wodehouse dramatized for the telly?)
> Not really. Maybe the odd retired major-general in Tunbridge Wells.
There are still a few around - just pay a visit to the 19th hole of some of
the posher golf clubs in the South-East
> We don't wear bowler hats, summon hansom cabs in the London pea-souper,
only becasue th epea-soupers have gone
or
> eat roast beef particularly often, either
I usually manage it 2 or 3 times a month - usually at Sunday Lunch.
> Interesting point, though. I was going to say that it's language of the
> 20s/30s -- which only the very aged would have grown up with -- but I
> wonder if it was already old-fashioned by then, and if that was part of
> Wodehouse's joke.
Feb 23rd 2003, 8:47 pm
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
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> "Miss L.Toe" wrote:
> >
> > wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > In article , [email protected]
> > > (Girard) wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > finds Britain's finest minds propounding, in sophisticated language
and
> > > > melodious Oxbridge accents
> > >
> > > I'd sure like to know what an Oxbridge accent is.
> >
> > Well, my good sir - It most certainly is not one that preceeds a
grammatical
> > incorrect sentance with I'd sure..
> Not to nit-pick,
But you are nit-picking :-)
but it is "grammatically" not "grammatical", and
> "sentence", not "sentance" (when you criticize others' grammar, it's a
> good idea to make sure your own is correct, first.)
Why - Just because I am not perfect doesn't mean I have to accept
imperfections in others. And anyway I wasn't critising the Grammar I was
pointing out a difference and attempting to be humorous.
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> "Miss L.Toe" wrote:
> >
> > wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > In article , [email protected]
> > > (Girard) wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > finds Britain's finest minds propounding, in sophisticated language
and
> > > > melodious Oxbridge accents
> > >
> > > I'd sure like to know what an Oxbridge accent is.
> >
> > Well, my good sir - It most certainly is not one that preceeds a
grammatical
> > incorrect sentance with I'd sure..
> Not to nit-pick,
But you are nit-picking :-)
but it is "grammatically" not "grammatical", and
> "sentence", not "sentance" (when you criticize others' grammar, it's a
> good idea to make sure your own is correct, first.)
Why - Just because I am not perfect doesn't mean I have to accept
imperfections in others. And anyway I wasn't critising the Grammar I was
pointing out a difference and attempting to be humorous.
Feb 23rd 2003, 8:51 pm
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> I also wonder how likely it would be that you would pick up a dramatically
> new accent in just three years at the age of most students (18-21
> approx.). Of course, the exposure to a different accent -- or a more
> heterogenous mix -- might well modify some extremes and turn a "strong"
> regional accent into a "mild" one.
> I'm sure there must have been studies done on this -- if there are any
> linguists or educationalists reading the group who know, do tell.
Whilst I would never claim to be a linguist or educationalist, I have known
several people who have migrated between US and UK in both directions and
about 3 years seems to be the time it takes for most of the old accent to
disappear, I'm sure in a situation where there is significant social
pressure to fit in it could happen a lot quicker.
> new accent in just three years at the age of most students (18-21
> approx.). Of course, the exposure to a different accent -- or a more
> heterogenous mix -- might well modify some extremes and turn a "strong"
> regional accent into a "mild" one.
> I'm sure there must have been studies done on this -- if there are any
> linguists or educationalists reading the group who know, do tell.
Whilst I would never claim to be a linguist or educationalist, I have known
several people who have migrated between US and UK in both directions and
about 3 years seems to be the time it takes for most of the old accent to
disappear, I'm sure in a situation where there is significant social
pressure to fit in it could happen a lot quicker.
Feb 24th 2003, 1:52 am
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In article , Miss L.Toe
writes
>Whilst I would never claim to be a linguist or educationalist, I have known
>several people who have migrated between US and UK in both directions and
>about 3 years seems to be the time it takes for most of the old accent to
>disappear, I'm sure in a situation where there is significant social
>pressure to fit in it could happen a lot quicker.
My (English) brother in law has lived in the USA for 25 years and his
accent has hardly changed at all.
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>Whilst I would never claim to be a linguist or educationalist, I have known
>several people who have migrated between US and UK in both directions and
>about 3 years seems to be the time it takes for most of the old accent to
>disappear, I'm sure in a situation where there is significant social
>pressure to fit in it could happen a lot quicker.
My (English) brother in law has lived in the USA for 25 years and his
accent has hardly changed at all.
--
Marie Lewis
Feb 24th 2003, 3:11 am
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Re: Of "Hawks" and "Doves (Pigeons)" (WAS: Interesting Article on European Views
Desmond Coughlan wrote:
> le Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:07:23 -0500, dans l'article
, Ken Rose
a dit ...
> >>> Will YOU be someone's dinner, or will you soar *triumphantly* in the
sky, a
> >>> thing of glory to be admired and feared....???
> >>Hawks kill to eat.
> > Doves, on the other hand, rely on the efforts of others, subsisting by
> > scavenging, handouts or leavings. The planted field, the strewn bread
> > crumbs and the remnants of a harvest, for examples.
> Whilst not killing.
Just like in that old fable of the frog and the hare....
--
Best
Greg
> le Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:07:23 -0500, dans l'article
, Ken Rose
a dit ...
> >>> Will YOU be someone's dinner, or will you soar *triumphantly* in the
sky, a
> >>> thing of glory to be admired and feared....???
> >>Hawks kill to eat.
> > Doves, on the other hand, rely on the efforts of others, subsisting by
> > scavenging, handouts or leavings. The planted field, the strewn bread
> > crumbs and the remnants of a harvest, for examples.
> Whilst not killing.
Just like in that old fable of the frog and the hare....
--
Best
Greg
Feb 24th 2003, 4:20 am
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Owain wrote:
>
> Many
> children had separate accents and vocabularies for school, playground, and
> parents.
An extreme case in my experience was a young woman I taught when working
in a Wednesbury school. Like most of the more able kids, she spoke
standard English, with a moderate midlands accent to teachers and Black
Country dialect to other kids. I had cause to telephone her at home when
arranging a holiday rehearsal for the school play, and asked the
Scotswoman who answered if I could speak to Pat. It was her - speaking
Glaswegian in the family home.
Alan Harrison
>
> Many
> children had separate accents and vocabularies for school, playground, and
> parents.
An extreme case in my experience was a young woman I taught when working
in a Wednesbury school. Like most of the more able kids, she spoke
standard English, with a moderate midlands accent to teachers and Black
Country dialect to other kids. I had cause to telephone her at home when
arranging a holiday rehearsal for the school play, and asked the
Scotswoman who answered if I could speak to Pat. It was her - speaking
Glaswegian in the family home.
Alan Harrison
Feb 24th 2003, 5:45 am
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Re: Of "Hawks" and "Doves (Pigeons)" (WAS: Interesting Article on European Views
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:11:16 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Just like in that old fable of the frog and the hare....
AÃ?e !
Here he goes, destroying fables...
======
Due to a lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Just like in that old fable of the frog and the hare....
AÃ?e !
Here he goes, destroying fables...
======
Due to a lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled.
Feb 24th 2003, 5:17 pm
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Magda wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:11:16 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ...
> ... Just like in that old fable of the frog and the hare....
> AÃ?e !
> Here he goes, destroying fables...
"Do I not stride rec.travel.europe like a Colossus, peasants!?"
--
Best
Greg
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:11:16 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ...
> ... Just like in that old fable of the frog and the hare....
> AÃ?e !
> Here he goes, destroying fables...
"Do I not stride rec.travel.europe like a Colossus, peasants!?"
--
Best
Greg
Feb 25th 2003, 4:34 am
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Re: Of "Hawks" and "Doves (Pigeons)" (WAS: Interesting Article on European Views
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 06:17:23 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Magda wrote:
...
... > On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:11:16 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... >
... > ...
... > ... Just like in that old fable of the frog and the hare....
... >
... > AÃ?e !
... > Here he goes, destroying fables...
...
... "Do I not stride rec.travel.europe like a Colossus, peasants!?"
More like a flea...
======
Due to a lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Magda wrote:
...
... > On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:11:16 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... >
... > ...
... > ... Just like in that old fable of the frog and the hare....
... >
... > AÃ?e !
... > Here he goes, destroying fables...
...
... "Do I not stride rec.travel.europe like a Colossus, peasants!?"
More like a flea...
======
Due to a lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled.
Feb 25th 2003, 9:40 pm
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Re: Of "Hawks" and "Doves (Pigeons)" (WAS: Interesting Article on European Views
Magda wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 06:17:23 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ...
> ... Magda wrote:
> ...
> ... > On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:11:16 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory
Morrow"
> ... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this :
> ... >
> ... >
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Just like in that old fable of the frog and the hare....
> ... >
> ... > AÃ?e !
> ... > Here he goes, destroying fables...
> ...
> ... "Do I not stride rec.travel.europe like a Colossus, peasants!?"
> More like a flea...
Fleas can be pretty pesky creatures ('though they are too dumb to know
it)...the humble flea has changed history many times, in fact :-)
--
Best
Greg
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 06:17:23 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ...
> ... Magda wrote:
> ...
> ... > On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:11:16 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory
Morrow"
> ... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this :
> ... >
> ... >
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Just like in that old fable of the frog and the hare....
> ... >
> ... > AÃ?e !
> ... > Here he goes, destroying fables...
> ...
> ... "Do I not stride rec.travel.europe like a Colossus, peasants!?"
> More like a flea...
Fleas can be pretty pesky creatures ('though they are too dumb to know
it)...the humble flea has changed history many times, in fact :-)
--
Best
Greg
Feb 26th 2003, 2:16 am
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Re: Interesting Article on European Views
In article , [email protected]
(Marie Lewis) wrote:
> My (English) brother in law has lived in the USA for 25 years and
> his accent has hardly changed at all.
> --
AAMOI, do you see him in the UK or the US? He may have different accents
in different places.
I grew up in Canada (with English parents); when I moved to Britain in
'86, I was often asked if I was American or Australian (nobody thinks of
poor Canada ). That hasn't happened for a decade so I assume I sound
thoroughly English now, but I'm told by travelling companions that after
just a couple of days in North America my accent starts to creep back.
(Marie Lewis) wrote:
> My (English) brother in law has lived in the USA for 25 years and
> his accent has hardly changed at all.
> --
AAMOI, do you see him in the UK or the US? He may have different accents
in different places.
I grew up in Canada (with English parents); when I moved to Britain in
'86, I was often asked if I was American or Australian (nobody thinks of
poor Canada ). That hasn't happened for a decade so I assume I sound
thoroughly English now, but I'm told by travelling companions that after
just a couple of days in North America my accent starts to creep back.
