>>>>> I have a done a one hour in a suburb of Milan day trip from A'dam for
    >>>>> reasons I'd rather not go into. The trip out and back was in the same
    >>>>> scheduled flight plane.

I've heard they have sniffer dogs now.

<<<<visit www.shillatreks.com

shill indeed

On 2005-01-11, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Aliens landed in NL in 2001
    > http://www.knmi.nl/webcam/Archief/we...0718045318.jpg

I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them
that as a trusted usenet personality, I can be helpful in rounding up
others to toil in their underground sugar caves.

You don't say for how long? But for inexpensive lodging, Food and
Train fare. It would have to be Germany in the State of Bayern. As and
American living here for the past few years, and doing day trips. I
would say base in Bamberg and hour away is Nuremberg, Weurzburg .
Rothenburg ob der Tauber , Bayreuth using the Bayern ticket for 21
Euro to include 5 people or 15 Euro for one person. That is using non
ICE trains but there again you can pay a little extra and use them as
well. Also Bayern being the largest State you can go to a lot of
places cheap. Then if you want to go out further you can also go to
Salzburg or west to Ulm. And south to Fuessen ( sorry I don't have a
German key board ). Guess what I'm trying to say is, If you have never
been to this part of Germany don't miss out on the chance of a very
nice vacation. I see a lot of replays to go to Italy. Having been
there a couple of times over the last two years the food and lodging
was very expensive for a little more than half you will get a mush
more nicer place here. And the food is second to none.

Another location is alone the Rhine they have the boat tours Sleeping
and eating at a castle you name it.

No Languge problems to speak of someone will always help you.


Chuck





On 10 Jan 2005 15:01:22 -0800, "EuroTravel" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Which cities in western Europe are a good home base best suited for day
    >trips (reasonably priced local food and lodging with plenty of varied
    >and interesting things to see and do within a 2 or 3 hour train ride)?

"Douglas W. Hoyt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
That said,

<< That said, I left out one great spot for daytrips: Bologna.

From Bologna you can get to Florence in an hour, Venice in two hours,
Ferrara is close by, Ravenna is easy, and the beach at Rimini is an hour.
You can even slip up to Verona and Lake Garda easily in a day. >>

Not a good idea at the moment. There was an horrendous railway accident
there on 7th Jan with 17 dead and 80 injured. The Unions are not happy with
the way Trenitalia are addressing the safety problems with the track and
have called for a series of lightning 24 hour strikes by the locomotive
engineers. There is one scheduled for tonight from 9.00 pm.

In article <[email protected]>, Phred Bear
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Douglas W. Hoyt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > That said,
    >
    > << That said, I left out one great spot for daytrips: Bologna.
    >
    > From Bologna you can get to Florence in an hour, Venice in two hours,
    > Ferrara is close by, Ravenna is easy, and the beach at Rimini is an hour.
    > You can even slip up to Verona and Lake Garda easily in a day. >>
    >
    > Not a good idea at the moment. There was an horrendous railway accident
    > there on 7th Jan with 17 dead and 80 injured. The Unions are not happy with
    > the way Trenitalia are addressing the safety problems with the track and
    > have called for a series of lightning 24 hour strikes by the locomotive
    > engineers. There is one scheduled for tonight from 9.00 pm.

Totally serious, here: if something like that happened in America it
would be the politicians scrambling to be seen to "fix" the problems
and introduce safety measures ASAP. Why isn't that the case in Italy,
why does it take "labor action" like a strike to get safety measures?

--
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:19:11 GMT, Dan Stephenson
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Phred Bear
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Not a good idea at the moment. There was an horrendous railway accident
    >> there on 7th Jan with 17 dead and 80 injured. The Unions are not happy with
    >> the way Trenitalia are addressing the safety problems with the track and
    >> have called for a series of lightning 24 hour strikes by the locomotive
    >> engineers. There is one scheduled for tonight from 9.00 pm.
    >Totally serious, here: if something like that happened in America it
    >would be the politicians scrambling to be seen to "fix" the problems
    >and introduce safety measures ASAP. Why isn't that the case in Italy,
    >why does it take "labor action" like a strike to get safety measures?

Labour actions in Italy are mostly political demonstrations. I found
it very odd when I first came here that all of their strikes last one
day only, or even less. It's obvious that they are not intended to
accomplish anything in the workplace.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

<< Totally serious, here: if something like that happened in America it
would be the politicians scrambling to be seen to "fix" the problems
and introduce safety measures ASAP. Why isn't that the case in Italy,
why does it take "labor action" like a strike to get safety measures?>>

Basically politicians in America need the votes of the people to get
re-elected. In Italy, if voting had made any difference, it would have been
banned years ago.

Dan Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Totally serious, here: if something like that happened in America it
    > would be the politicians scrambling to be seen to "fix" the problems
    > and introduce safety measures ASAP. Why isn't that the case in Italy,
    > why does it take "labor action" like a strike to get safety measures?


Because politicians say that Italian railways have a relatively high
safety record, if compared to other European railways.


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Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]

Luca Logi <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Dan Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Totally serious, here: if something like that happened in America it
    > > would be the politicians scrambling to be seen to "fix" the problems
    > > and introduce safety measures ASAP. Why isn't that the case in Italy,
    > > why does it take "labor action" like a strike to get safety measures?
    >
    >
    > Because politicians say that Italian railways have a relatively high
    > safety record, if compared to European railways.

Most railways, even in the 'worst' countries in the world, have
comparitively good safety records to most other forms of transport. Do
Italian drivers strike everytime there's a big car pile-up on the
motorway?

Train drivers in the UK also go on strike over safety. Here, some tube
drivers went on strike because a driver had been demoted for passing 4
red signals. When they go on strike for 'safety' I wonder how many
people are injured in road journeys they otherwise wouldn't have taken.
In other words, I think that they rarely _truly_ strike for safety. The
probably have other agenda.

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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk