I Was Right About European Cities Banning Traffic.....
Feb 20th 2003, 8:26 am
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Mike Donovan wrote in message
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> What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
> two miles of the Seine River and a beach has been set up complete with
> sand and palm trees. The road along the riverbank is reserved for
> non-motorized traffic only. There are two other places in Paris that
> have been closed to traffic as well and other European cities are
> taking similar steps. It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
Which country and Canada?
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> What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
> two miles of the Seine River and a beach has been set up complete with
> sand and palm trees. The road along the riverbank is reserved for
> non-motorized traffic only. There are two other places in Paris that
> have been closed to traffic as well and other European cities are
> taking similar steps. It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
Which country and Canada?
Feb 22nd 2003, 3:11 am
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I Was Right About European Cities Banning Traffic.....
What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
two miles of the Seine River and a beach has been set up complete with
sand and palm trees. The road along the riverbank is reserved for
non-motorized traffic only. There are two other places in Paris that
have been closed to traffic as well and other European cities are
taking similar steps. It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
two miles of the Seine River and a beach has been set up complete with
sand and palm trees. The road along the riverbank is reserved for
non-motorized traffic only. There are two other places in Paris that
have been closed to traffic as well and other European cities are
taking similar steps. It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
Feb 22nd 2003, 3:32 am
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On 22 Feb 2003 08:11:37 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Mike Donovan)
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
... two miles of the Seine River and a beach has been set up complete with
... sand and palm trees.
The "beach" in Paris was dismantled last August.
The road along the riverbank is reserved for
... non-motorized traffic only.
Several Sundays each summer, yes. Not the rest of the year.
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Due to a lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
... two miles of the Seine River and a beach has been set up complete with
... sand and palm trees.
The "beach" in Paris was dismantled last August.
The road along the riverbank is reserved for
... non-motorized traffic only.
Several Sundays each summer, yes. Not the rest of the year.
======
Due to a lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled.
Feb 22nd 2003, 3:38 am
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In article , Mike
Donovan writes
>What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
>two miles of the Seine River and a beach has been set up complete with
>sand and palm trees. The road along the riverbank is reserved for
>non-motorized traffic only. There are two other places in Paris that
>have been closed to traffic as well and other European cities are
>taking similar steps. It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
This is all to the good, as is congestion charging in London.
Why, I am even considering going to London now and I have avoided the
place for several years.
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Donovan writes
>What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
>two miles of the Seine River and a beach has been set up complete with
>sand and palm trees. The road along the riverbank is reserved for
>non-motorized traffic only. There are two other places in Paris that
>have been closed to traffic as well and other European cities are
>taking similar steps. It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
This is all to the good, as is congestion charging in London.
Why, I am even considering going to London now and I have avoided the
place for several years.
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Marie Lewis
Feb 22nd 2003, 4:29 am
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[email protected] (Mike Donovan) wrote:
> It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
What is "this country"? Usenet transcends frontiers.
PB
> It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
What is "this country"? Usenet transcends frontiers.
PB
Feb 22nd 2003, 4:44 am
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There is a big difference between creating a pedestrian area and banning
traffic from the city center. I doubt that this will happen despite the
positive effects it could have on places like Florence. One interesting
problem. If you ban traffic how do you manage goods delivery & pickup?
It works if there is traffic access nearby but if there is a wide area???
Frank Matthews
Mike Donovan wrote:
> What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
> two miles of the Seine River and a beach has been set up complete with
> sand and palm trees. The road along the riverbank is reserved for
> non-motorized traffic only. There are two other places in Paris that
> have been closed to traffic as well and other European cities are
> taking similar steps. It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
traffic from the city center. I doubt that this will happen despite the
positive effects it could have on places like Florence. One interesting
problem. If you ban traffic how do you manage goods delivery & pickup?
It works if there is traffic access nearby but if there is a wide area???
Frank Matthews
Mike Donovan wrote:
> What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
> two miles of the Seine River and a beach has been set up complete with
> sand and palm trees. The road along the riverbank is reserved for
> non-motorized traffic only. There are two other places in Paris that
> have been closed to traffic as well and other European cities are
> taking similar steps. It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
Feb 22nd 2003, 5:03 am
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le 22 Feb 2003 08:11:37 -0800, dans l'article , Mike Donovan a dit ...
> What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
> two miles of the Seine River and a beach has been set up complete with
> sand and palm trees. The road along the riverbank is reserved for
> non-motorized traffic only. There are two other places in Paris that
> have been closed to traffic as well and other European cities are
> taking similar steps. It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
What are you whittering on about ? The 'Paris Plage' ran for a few months
last Summer, was a roaring success, and will be repeated this year. At the
moment, the bank of the Seine along which the beach ran, is used for
traffic, as normal. And what are these 'two other places' that you claim
have been closed to traffic ?
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> What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
> two miles of the Seine River and a beach has been set up complete with
> sand and palm trees. The road along the riverbank is reserved for
> non-motorized traffic only. There are two other places in Paris that
> have been closed to traffic as well and other European cities are
> taking similar steps. It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
What are you whittering on about ? The 'Paris Plage' ran for a few months
last Summer, was a roaring success, and will be repeated this year. At the
moment, the bank of the Seine along which the beach ran, is used for
traffic, as normal. And what are these 'two other places' that you claim
have been closed to traffic ?
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
Feb 22nd 2003, 10:32 am
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Padraig Breathnach wrote in message news:...
> [email protected] (Mike Donovan) wrote:
>
> > It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
>
> What is "this country"? Usenet transcends frontiers.
>
> PB
The US. A lot of American cities are becoming car-free.
> [email protected] (Mike Donovan) wrote:
>
> > It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
>
> What is "this country"? Usenet transcends frontiers.
>
> PB
The US. A lot of American cities are becoming car-free.
Feb 22nd 2003, 6:22 pm
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Mike Donovan wrote:
> The US. A lot of American cities are becoming car-free.
They are? I've noticed that if anything, there are more and more cars
clogging up US urban spaces.
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> The US. A lot of American cities are becoming car-free.
They are? I've noticed that if anything, there are more and more cars
clogging up US urban spaces.
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Greg
Feb 22nd 2003, 9:00 pm
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Marie Lewis wrote:
> This is all to the good, as is congestion charging in London.
Good?!? The bleedin' ******g classist royalists seem to be of the
opinion that only the wealthy should be driving in London ('course,
considering the price of petrol, maybe that's already the case). Had
they any sense of fairness and/or decency, they could eliminate ten
percent of the traffic by permitting cars with licenses absent the
final digit "0" or ninety percent of the traffic by permitting only
cars with licenses ending in "0" or half of the traffic by allowing
only odd-numbered licenses or so many other ways that would not
discriminate against anyone but those without cars. Obviously cycling
0-9 would have ten percent of cars out of London daily and individuals
having to sacrifice once every ten days. It's likely to be easier to
do, and enforce, than what they're doing now.
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> This is all to the good, as is congestion charging in London.
Good?!? The bleedin' ******g classist royalists seem to be of the
opinion that only the wealthy should be driving in London ('course,
considering the price of petrol, maybe that's already the case). Had
they any sense of fairness and/or decency, they could eliminate ten
percent of the traffic by permitting cars with licenses absent the
final digit "0" or ninety percent of the traffic by permitting only
cars with licenses ending in "0" or half of the traffic by allowing
only odd-numbered licenses or so many other ways that would not
discriminate against anyone but those without cars. Obviously cycling
0-9 would have ten percent of cars out of London daily and individuals
having to sacrifice once every ten days. It's likely to be easier to
do, and enforce, than what they're doing now.
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Feb 22nd 2003, 9:25 pm
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John Stolz wrote in message
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> > What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
> > two miles of the Seine River
There was a hell of a lot of traffic within 2 miles of the Seine last time I
was there.
Surreyman
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> > What proves me right is that in Paris, traffic has been banned from
> > two miles of the Seine River
There was a hell of a lot of traffic within 2 miles of the Seine last time I
was there.
Surreyman
Feb 22nd 2003, 9:55 pm
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Icono Clast wrote in message
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> Marie Lewis wrote:
> > This is all to the good, as is congestion charging in London.
> Good?!? The bleedin' ******g classist royalists seem to be of the
> opinion that only the wealthy should be driving in London ('course,
> considering the price of petrol, maybe that's already the case). Had
> they any sense of fairness and/or decency, they could eliminate ten
> percent of the traffic by permitting cars with licenses absent the
> final digit "0" or ninety percent of the traffic by permitting only
> cars with licenses ending in "0" or half of the traffic by allowing
> only odd-numbered licenses or so many other ways that would not
> discriminate against anyone but those without cars. Obviously cycling
> 0-9 would have ten percent of cars out of London daily and individuals
> having to sacrifice once every ten days. It's likely to be easier to
> do, and enforce, than what they're doing now.
Yeah, but where's the money in that?
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> Marie Lewis wrote:
> > This is all to the good, as is congestion charging in London.
> Good?!? The bleedin' ******g classist royalists seem to be of the
> opinion that only the wealthy should be driving in London ('course,
> considering the price of petrol, maybe that's already the case). Had
> they any sense of fairness and/or decency, they could eliminate ten
> percent of the traffic by permitting cars with licenses absent the
> final digit "0" or ninety percent of the traffic by permitting only
> cars with licenses ending in "0" or half of the traffic by allowing
> only odd-numbered licenses or so many other ways that would not
> discriminate against anyone but those without cars. Obviously cycling
> 0-9 would have ten percent of cars out of London daily and individuals
> having to sacrifice once every ten days. It's likely to be easier to
> do, and enforce, than what they're doing now.
Yeah, but where's the money in that?
---
DFM
Feb 22nd 2003, 10:35 pm
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Icono Clast wrote in message
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> > Marie Lewis wrote:
> > > This is all to the good, as is congestion charging in London.
> >
> > Good?!? The bleedin' ******g classist royalists seem to be of the
> > opinion that only the wealthy should be driving in London ('course,
> > considering the price of petrol, maybe that's already the case). Had
> > they any sense of fairness and/or decency, they could eliminate ten
> > percent of the traffic by permitting cars with licenses absent the
> > final digit "0" or ninety percent of the traffic by permitting only
> > cars with licenses ending in "0" or half of the traffic by allowing
> > only odd-numbered licenses or so many other ways that would not
> > discriminate against anyone but those without cars. Obviously cycling
> > 0-9 would have ten percent of cars out of London daily and individuals
> > having to sacrifice once every ten days. It's likely to be easier to
> > do, and enforce, than what they're doing now.
Already there are reports of false number plates being made & attached,
fooling the fining system (and, problems with chasing up foreign number
plate owners).
This 'number' method has been tried in other countries. Fails miserably.
Friends get together and share cars, using the appropriate number each day
(has a result, I suppose, in promoting car sharing). False number plates are
made up and used on appropriate days. If it's an 'alternate day' system,
often the large numbers of two-car families are simply able to swap cars
each day. Etc. etc.
My feeling is that the opposite system to the Congestion Area should apply.
Sell licences to those who *genuinely need* to drive through. Ban those who
don't. Easy. The money come in (although maybe not so much), the cars are
decimated (or, rather 'multilated', since 'decimate' only gets rid of 1 in
10!).
But before that (or, indeed the current new system) is introduced,
impeccable piublic transport needs to be in place. Some hopes.
Surreyman
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> > Marie Lewis wrote:
> > > This is all to the good, as is congestion charging in London.
> >
> > Good?!? The bleedin' ******g classist royalists seem to be of the
> > opinion that only the wealthy should be driving in London ('course,
> > considering the price of petrol, maybe that's already the case). Had
> > they any sense of fairness and/or decency, they could eliminate ten
> > percent of the traffic by permitting cars with licenses absent the
> > final digit "0" or ninety percent of the traffic by permitting only
> > cars with licenses ending in "0" or half of the traffic by allowing
> > only odd-numbered licenses or so many other ways that would not
> > discriminate against anyone but those without cars. Obviously cycling
> > 0-9 would have ten percent of cars out of London daily and individuals
> > having to sacrifice once every ten days. It's likely to be easier to
> > do, and enforce, than what they're doing now.
Already there are reports of false number plates being made & attached,
fooling the fining system (and, problems with chasing up foreign number
plate owners).
This 'number' method has been tried in other countries. Fails miserably.
Friends get together and share cars, using the appropriate number each day
(has a result, I suppose, in promoting car sharing). False number plates are
made up and used on appropriate days. If it's an 'alternate day' system,
often the large numbers of two-car families are simply able to swap cars
each day. Etc. etc.
My feeling is that the opposite system to the Congestion Area should apply.
Sell licences to those who *genuinely need* to drive through. Ban those who
don't. Easy. The money come in (although maybe not so much), the cars are
decimated (or, rather 'multilated', since 'decimate' only gets rid of 1 in
10!).
But before that (or, indeed the current new system) is introduced,
impeccable piublic transport needs to be in place. Some hopes.
Surreyman
Feb 23rd 2003, 4:42 am
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Mike Donovan wrote:
> Padraig Breathnach wrote:
> > [email protected] (Mike Donovan) wrote:
> > > It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
> > What is "this country"? Usenet transcends frontiers.
> The US. A lot of American cities are becoming car-free.
You are a monster raving loony.
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> Padraig Breathnach wrote:
> > [email protected] (Mike Donovan) wrote:
> > > It's happening in this country and Canada, too.
> > What is "this country"? Usenet transcends frontiers.
> The US. A lot of American cities are becoming car-free.
You are a monster raving loony.
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Feb 23rd 2003, 5:04 am
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In article , Icono
Clast writes
>Had
>they any sense of fairness and/or decency, they could eliminate ten
>percent of the traffic by permitting cars with licenses absent the
>final digit "0" or ninety percent of the traffic by permitting only
>cars with licenses ending in "0" or half of the traffic by allowing
>only odd-numbered licenses or so many other ways that would not
>discriminate against anyone but those without cars.
And the rich would have at least two cars............
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Marie Lewis
Clast writes
>Had
>they any sense of fairness and/or decency, they could eliminate ten
>percent of the traffic by permitting cars with licenses absent the
>final digit "0" or ninety percent of the traffic by permitting only
>cars with licenses ending in "0" or half of the traffic by allowing
>only odd-numbered licenses or so many other ways that would not
>discriminate against anyone but those without cars.
And the rich would have at least two cars............
--
Marie Lewis
