"Des Small" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "eetinBelgië" <[email protected]> writes:
    >> Des Small wrote:
    >> > "eetinBelgië" <[email protected]> writes:
    >> >
    >> > > What is the most expensive in Norway, booze or cigarettes (when
    >> > > compared to other European countries) ?
    >> >
    >> > If cigarettes are "Ouch!!", booze is "Oh sweet Jesus, let me die!".
    >> > Take your full duty-free allowance of both, and try to think in the
    >> > local zloties ("krone") while you're there to numb the pain.
    >> >
    >> > Des
    >> do you know what the limits of both are ?
    > It is certainly very sad that they don't have Google in Belgium yet,
    > but if you visit somewhere with Interweb, you could check that the
    > officially official line is
    > """
    > Alcoholic beverages
    > a) 1 litre of beverages with more than 22 up to and including 60 %
    > alcohol per volume as well as 1 litre with more than 2.5 up to and
    > including 22 % alcohol per volume or 2 litres with more than 2.5 up to
    > and including 22 % alcohol per volume.
    > b) 2 litres of beer with more than 2.5 or other beverages with more than
    > 2.5 up to and including 4.75 % alcohol per volume.
    > This means that you may for example bring with you 4 litres of beer
    > provided you do not have with you any other alcoholic beverages.

A whole 4 litres. What do I drink tomorrow?

tim

"Des Small" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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    > "eetinBelgië" <[email protected]> writes:
    >> Des Small wrote:
    >> > "eetinBelgië" <[email protected]> writes:
    >> >
    >> > > What is the most expensive in Norway, booze or cigarettes (when
    >> > > compared to other European countries) ?
    >> >
    >> > If cigarettes are "Ouch!!", booze is "Oh sweet Jesus, let me die!".
    >> > Take your full duty-free allowance of both, and try to think in the
    >> > local zloties ("krone") while you're there to numb the pain.
    >> >
    >> > Des
    >> do you know what the limits of both are ?
    > It is certainly very sad that they don't have Google in Belgium yet,
    > but if you visit somewhere with Interweb, you could check that the
    > officially official line is
    > """
    > Alcoholic beverages
    > a) 1 litre of beverages with more than 22 up to and including 60 %
    > alcohol per volume as well as 1 litre with more than 2.5 up to and
    > including 22 % alcohol per volume or 2 litres with more than 2.5 up to
    > and including 22 % alcohol per volume.
    > b) 2 litres of beer with more than 2.5 or other beverages with more than
    > 2.5 up to and including 4.75 % alcohol per volume.
    > This means that you may for example bring with you 4 litres of beer
    > provided you do not have with you any other alcoholic beverages.
    > Only persons over the age of 18 are allowed to import alcoholic
    > beverages. For importing alcoholic beverages with more than 22 %
    > alcohol per volume the minimum age is 20.
    > Tobacco
    > a) 200 cigarettes or 250 g of other tobacco products and
    > b) 200 leaves of cigarette paper.
    > The minimum age for importing tobacco products is 18 years.
-------------
The above are Tax free limits. But Norway is a member of EEA (meaning
free trade between EU+Iceland,Norway,Liechtenstein) so you're allowed to
bring in a reasonable amount of tobacco and alcohol in addition to the
tax-free limit assuming it's bought and tax paid in an EEA-country.

"tim \(in sweden\)" <[email protected]> writes:

    > "Des Small" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "eetinBelgië" <[email protected]> writes:
    > >
    > >> Des Small wrote:
    > >> > "eetinBelgië" <[email protected]> writes:
    > >> >
    > >> > > What is the most expensive in Norway, booze or cigarettes (when
    > >> > > compared to other European countries) ?
    > >> >
    > >> > If cigarettes are "Ouch!!", booze is "Oh sweet Jesus, let me die!".
    > >> > Take your full duty-free allowance of both, and try to think in the
    > >> > local zloties ("krone") while you're there to numb the pain.
    > >> >
    > >> > Des
    > >>
    > >> do you know what the limits of both are ?
    > >
    > > It is certainly very sad that they don't have Google in Belgium yet,
    > > but if you visit somewhere with Interweb, you could check that the
    > > officially official line is
    > >
    > > """
    > > Alcoholic beverages
    > >
    > > a) 1 litre of beverages with more than 22 up to and including 60 %
    > > alcohol per volume as well as 1 litre with more than 2.5 up to and
    > > including 22 % alcohol per volume or 2 litres with more than 2.5 up to
    > > and including 22 % alcohol per volume.
    > >
    > > b) 2 litres of beer with more than 2.5 or other beverages with more than
    > > 2.5 up to and including 4.75 % alcohol per volume.
    > >
    > > This means that you may for example bring with you 4 litres of beer
    > > provided you do not have with you any other alcoholic beverages.
    >
    > A whole 4 litres. What do I drink tomorrow?

I took a litre of gin. It didn't last.

Des

"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> writes:

    > The above are Tax free limits. But Norway is a member of EEA
    > (meaning free trade between EU+Iceland,Norway,Liechtenstein) so
    > you're allowed to bring in a reasonable amount of tobacco and
    > alcohol in addition to the tax-free limit assuming it's bought and
    > tax paid in an EEA-country.

Are you 100% sure on that? And if so, do you have a source? I'd be
delighted and very delighted if so, for sure.

Des

"Des Small" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
    > "Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> writes:
    >> The above are Tax free limits. But Norway is a member of EEA
    >> (meaning free trade between EU+Iceland,Norway,Liechtenstein) so
    >> you're allowed to bring in a reasonable amount of tobacco and
    >> alcohol in addition to the tax-free limit assuming it's bought and
    >> tax paid in an EEA-country.
    > Are you 100% sure on that? And if so, do you have a source? I'd be
    > delighted and very delighted if so, for sure.
    > Des
Same source as you provided
http://www.toll.no/templates_TAD/Art...epslanguage=EN
and the Norwegian text :
"Regler for fritak fra toll og avgifter
Hvis du har vært ute av Norge i minst 24 timer, kan du ta med deg varer til
en samlet verdi av NOK 6000 toll- og avgiftsfritt.
Hvis du har vært ute av Norge mindre enn 24 timer, kan du, én gang i løpet
av 24 timer, ta med varer til en samlet verdi på inntil NOK 3000 toll- og
avgiftsfritt. Du kan ikke ta med deg alkohol eller tobakksvarer, med mindre
du kan dokumentere at varene er kjøpt avgiftsbelagt (ikke tax-free) i et
EØS-land. "

As I can read out you can bring with you alcohol up to the value of 6000NOK
providing you have the proof that tax is paid in an EEA country (EØS)
You can also now buy tax-free on arrival to Norway but that's probably not
so much of an advantage as also taxfree seem to be expensive.

On 21 Mar 2006 23:51:27 +0000, Des Small <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> writes:
    >> The above are Tax free limits. But Norway is a member of EEA
    >> (meaning free trade between EU+Iceland,Norway,Liechtenstein) so
    >> you're allowed to bring in a reasonable amount of tobacco and
    >> alcohol in addition to the tax-free limit assuming it's bought and
    >> tax paid in an EEA-country.
    >Are you 100% sure on that? And if so, do you have a source? I'd be
    >delighted and very delighted if so, for sure.

The importation rules/limits are at
http://www.toll.no/templates_TAD/Art...epslanguage=EN
--
Martin

Martin <[email protected]> writes:

    > On 21 Mar 2006 23:51:27 +0000, Des Small <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> writes:
    > >
    > >> The above are Tax free limits. But Norway is a member of EEA
    > >> (meaning free trade between EU+Iceland,Norway,Liechtenstein) so
    > >> you're allowed to bring in a reasonable amount of tobacco and
    > >> alcohol in addition to the tax-free limit assuming it's bought and
    > >> tax paid in an EEA-country.
    > >
    > >Are you 100% sure on that? And if so, do you have a source? I'd be
    > >delighted and very delighted if so, for sure.
    >
    > The importation rules/limits are at
    > http://www.toll.no/templates_TAD/Art...epslanguage=EN

Which was, of course, the link I posted two (2) posts up. The
relevant section, synthesising Lennart's point and the Engleesh
version of the page, would be:

"""
If you have been outside Norway for less than 24 hours you may once
within these 24 hours bring with you goods representing a total values
of 3000 free of customs and excise duties. This does not include
alcohol or tobacco products unless you can prove that these have been
purchased with at a price including tax (not duty free) in an EEA
country.
"""

Of course, Blighty is in the EU and more than of its citizens can
attest that it's the luck of the draw how Her Madge's customs and
excise officers will feel on the day, regardless of smelly old laws.

Des

On 22 Mar 2006 09:50:00 +0000, Des Small <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> writes:
    >> On 21 Mar 2006 23:51:27 +0000, Des Small <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> writes:
    >> >
    >> >> The above are Tax free limits. But Norway is a member of EEA
    >> >> (meaning free trade between EU+Iceland,Norway,Liechtenstein) so
    >> >> you're allowed to bring in a reasonable amount of tobacco and
    >> >> alcohol in addition to the tax-free limit assuming it's bought and
    >> >> tax paid in an EEA-country.
    >> >
    >> >Are you 100% sure on that? And if so, do you have a source? I'd be
    >> >delighted and very delighted if so, for sure.
    >>
    >> The importation rules/limits are at
    >> http://www.toll.no/templates_TAD/Art...epslanguage=EN
    >Which was, of course, the link I posted two (2) posts up.

Maybe so. I use the KETCHUP option on most of the post here.

    > The
    >relevant section, synthesising Lennart's point and the Engleesh
    >version of the page, would be:
    >"""
    >If you have been outside Norway for less than 24 hours you may once
    >within these 24 hours bring with you goods representing a total values
    >of 3000 free of customs and excise duties. This does not include
    >alcohol or tobacco products unless you can prove that these have been
    >purchased with at a price including tax (not duty free) in an EEA
    >country.
    >"""
    >Of course, Blighty is in the EU and more than of its citizens can
    >attest that it's the luck of the draw how Her Madge's customs and
    >excise officers will feel on the day, regardless of smelly old laws.

Other than the best forgotten burnt bacon episode, I have never had a
problem with HM C&E.
--
Martin

"Des Small" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
    > Martin <[email protected]> writes:
    >> On 21 Mar 2006 23:51:27 +0000, Des Small <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >> >"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> writes:
    >> >
    >> >> The above are Tax free limits. But Norway is a member of EEA
    >> >> (meaning free trade between EU+Iceland,Norway,Liechtenstein) so
    >> >> you're allowed to bring in a reasonable amount of tobacco and
    >> >> alcohol in addition to the tax-free limit assuming it's bought and
    >> >> tax paid in an EEA-country.
    >> >
    >> >Are you 100% sure on that? And if so, do you have a source? I'd be
    >> >delighted and very delighted if so, for sure.
    >> The importation rules/limits are at
    >> http://www.toll.no/templates_TAD/Art...epslanguage=EN
    > Which was, of course, the link I posted two (2) posts up. The
    > relevant section, synthesising Lennart's point and the Engleesh
    > version of the page, would be:
    > """
    > If you have been outside Norway for less than 24 hours you may once
    > within these 24 hours bring with you goods representing a total values
    > of 3000 free of customs and excise duties. This does not include
    > alcohol or tobacco products unless you can prove that these have been
    > purchased with at a price including tax (not duty free) in an EEA
    > country.
    > """
    > Of course, Blighty is in the EU and more than of its citizens can
    > attest that it's the luck of the draw how Her Madge's customs and
    > excise officers will feel on the day, regardless of smelly old laws.
    > Des
---------------------
People in Norway knows about the EEA-rules as they're running to Sweden for
buyups.
Systembolaget in the tiny town Strömstad is a big business as it's catering
the whole Oslo area more or less :-)
People in south Sweden are running to Denmark for the same reason while the
Danish makes buyups from Germany while people in Germany are used to buy
from Poland while Polish people are buying in Latvia and Lieuthania.
Don't know from where Latvians are buying but a guess is smuggling from
Byelorussia and Russia while Russians relies on homemade and other crap.
That's why they're dying at 55.

"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> writes:

    > "Des Small" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:[email protected]...

    > > Of course, Blighty is in the EU and more than of its citizens can
    > > attest that it's the luck of the draw how Her Madge's customs and
    > > excise officers will feel on the day, regardless of smelly old laws.
    > >

    > People in Norway knows about the EEA-rules as they're running to
    > Sweden for buyups.
    > Systembolaget in the tiny town Strömstad is a big business as it's
    > catering the whole Oslo area more or less :-)

Oh, OK. My (then) Norwegian-resident friend bought duty-free in
Stockholm when we met there, but I was more familiar (from the
Scandiwegian press) with the cross border runs for meat and other
staples.

    > People in south Sweden are running to Denmark for the same reason
    > while the Danish makes buyups from Germany

All this I knew, but I didn't realise the full privileges extended
unchanged throughout the EEA, which will certainly have implications
for my long-planned and often shelved trip to Iceland (soon to be a
Major Forthcoming Event!), and I'm very glad to know it.

Also, Finns notoriously buy in Estonia, which introduced 2-litre
box-wodka specifically to cash in on EU membership.

    > while people in Germany are used to buy from Poland while Polish
    > people are buying in Latvia and Lieuthania.

My Latvia booze story, condensed: I couldn't find bier in the
(segregated) booze section of the Supermarkt, which nearly did my head
it. Wandering around, I found it shelved with the staples like
bread. It was the cheapest bier I've ever bought, and none the worse
for that.

    > Don't know from where Latvians are buying but a guess is smuggling
    > from Byelorussia and Russia while Russians relies on homemade and
    > other crap. That's why they're dying at 55.

It's mostly the quality, but it's partly the quantity too.

Des

"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Des Small" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Martin <[email protected]> writes:
    >>> On 21 Mar 2006 23:51:27 +0000, Des Small <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>> >"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> writes:
    >>> >
    >>> >> The above are Tax free limits. But Norway is a member of EEA
    >>> >> (meaning free trade between EU+Iceland,Norway,Liechtenstein) so
    >>> >> you're allowed to bring in a reasonable amount of tobacco and
    >>> >> alcohol in addition to the tax-free limit assuming it's bought and
    >>> >> tax paid in an EEA-country.
    >>> >
    >>> >Are you 100% sure on that? And if so, do you have a source? I'd be
    >>> >delighted and very delighted if so, for sure.
    >>> The importation rules/limits are at
    >>> http://www.toll.no/templates_TAD/Art...epslanguage=EN
    >> Which was, of course, the link I posted two (2) posts up. The
    >> relevant section, synthesising Lennart's point and the Engleesh
    >> version of the page, would be:
    >> """
    >> If you have been outside Norway for less than 24 hours you may once
    >> within these 24 hours bring with you goods representing a total values
    >> of 3000 free of customs and excise duties. This does not include
    >> alcohol or tobacco products unless you can prove that these have been
    >> purchased with at a price including tax (not duty free) in an EEA
    >> country.
    >> """
    >> Of course, Blighty is in the EU and more than of its citizens can
    >> attest that it's the luck of the draw how Her Madge's customs and
    >> excise officers will feel on the day, regardless of smelly old laws.
    >> Des
    > ---------------------
    > People in Norway knows about the EEA-rules as they're running to Sweden
    > for buyups.
    > Systembolaget in the tiny town Strömstad is a big business as it's
    > catering the whole Oslo area more or less :-)
    > People in south Sweden are running to Denmark for the same reason

And as there is some water in the way taking a car is not cost effective.

So everyone lines up at the ferry entrance with an empty shopping
trolly and then when in Denmark they have to '"make a day of it" so
they push this empty trolly around whilst they take lunch or tea in one
of the resturants before filling it up with (full) bottles and pushing it
back.

Most odd.

tim