How do you pronounce "Schiphol"
Aug 25th 2003, 10:13 am
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Re: How do you pronounce "Schiphol"
"Deep Flayed Mares" wrote
| Don't forget the unpronounceable 'erwtensoep'!
I don't know how the Dutch pronounce it, but it's perfectly pronounceable in
Welsh!
Owain
| Don't forget the unpronounceable 'erwtensoep'!
I don't know how the Dutch pronounce it, but it's perfectly pronounceable in
Welsh!
Owain
Aug 25th 2003, 11:12 am
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Re: How do you pronounce "Schiphol"
[email protected] (I. think its Dutch.) writes:
> Doesn't Schipol mean 'ship hole' or something like that?
I was told that it means Ship Hell. Ships were particularly prone to
sinking there.
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> Doesn't Schipol mean 'ship hole' or something like that?
I was told that it means Ship Hell. Ships were particularly prone to
sinking there.
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Aug 25th 2003, 1:40 pm
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Re: How do you pronounce "Schiphol"
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:18:17 +0100, a.spencer3 wrote:
> Incidentally, I was told by Dutch friends that saying the town
> 'Scheveningen' was used in WWII as a means of picking out the Germans!
There is of course the historic precedent of the golden spurs battle at
which they identified (and disposed of) those French survivors by asking
"schield and vriend."
(I might have survived...)
> Incidentally, I was told by Dutch friends that saying the town
> 'Scheveningen' was used in WWII as a means of picking out the Germans!
There is of course the historic precedent of the golden spurs battle at
which they identified (and disposed of) those French survivors by asking
"schield and vriend."
(I might have survived...)
Aug 25th 2003, 2:24 pm
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, devil wrote:
> There is of course the historic precedent of the golden spurs battle at
> which they identified (and disposed of) those French survivors by asking
> "schield and vriend."
Tale for tale, they tell that during the Vespri Siciliani (revolt of
Sicily against the Anjou French rulers) they did the same to tell French
from locals asking them to read "ceci" ... but I doubt in the 12th
century or so many French soldiers or Sicilian peasants could read.
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> There is of course the historic precedent of the golden spurs battle at
> which they identified (and disposed of) those French survivors by asking
> "schield and vriend."
Tale for tale, they tell that during the Vespri Siciliani (revolt of
Sicily against the Anjou French rulers) they did the same to tell French
from locals asking them to read "ceci" ... but I doubt in the 12th
century or so many French soldiers or Sicilian peasants could read.
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Aug 25th 2003, 3:15 pm
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Re: How do you pronounce "Schiphol"
a.spencer3 <[email protected]> wrote:
> The nearest 'English' is probably therefore 'Skipol'.
The 'h' in the second syllable is pronounced. So if you don't want to
expectorate, you can say skip - hole.
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> The nearest 'English' is probably therefore 'Skipol'.
The 'h' in the second syllable is pronounced. So if you don't want to
expectorate, you can say skip - hole.
miguel
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Aug 25th 2003, 3:53 pm
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Deep Flayed Mares <[email protected]> wrote:
> Don't forget the unpronounceable 'erwtensoep'!
In which the w isn't heard, and the n can be dropped by choice. Nex
> Don't forget the unpronounceable 'erwtensoep'!
In which the w isn't heard, and the n can be dropped by choice. Nex
Aug 25th 2003, 4:05 pm
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Re: How do you pronounce "Schiphol"
Alan Pollock <[email protected]> wrote:
> Deep Flayed Mares <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Don't forget the unpronounceable 'erwtensoep'!
> In which the w isn't heard, and the n can be dropped by choice. Nex
And the dipthong 'oe' is pronounced like 'oo' is in English.
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> Deep Flayed Mares <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Don't forget the unpronounceable 'erwtensoep'!
> In which the w isn't heard, and the n can be dropped by choice. Nex
And the dipthong 'oe' is pronounced like 'oo' is in English.
miguel
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Aug 25th 2003, 4:33 pm
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"a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Incidentally, I was told by Dutch friends that saying the town
> 'Scheveningen' was used in WWII as a means of picking out the Germans!
> Surreyman
The Flemish used something similar at around the time of The Battle of
the (Golden) Spurs (Guldensporenslag 1302). The French couldn't
pronounce _Schilde ende Vriende_ (or something along those lines, in
modern Dutch/Flemish it's _Schild en Vriend (Shield and Friend)).
Hence, they would be greeted with a nice shiny Goedendag (typical
Flemish weapon - a wooden stick, a chain & a spiked metal ball
attached).
The Flemish _ch_ and _g_ is a lot softer though, no spitting involved.
> Incidentally, I was told by Dutch friends that saying the town
> 'Scheveningen' was used in WWII as a means of picking out the Germans!
> Surreyman
The Flemish used something similar at around the time of The Battle of
the (Golden) Spurs (Guldensporenslag 1302). The French couldn't
pronounce _Schilde ende Vriende_ (or something along those lines, in
modern Dutch/Flemish it's _Schild en Vriend (Shield and Friend)).
Hence, they would be greeted with a nice shiny Goedendag (typical
Flemish weapon - a wooden stick, a chain & a spiked metal ball
attached).
The Flemish _ch_ and _g_ is a lot softer though, no spitting involved.
Aug 25th 2003, 5:40 pm
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Re: How do you pronounce "Schiphol"
Yes, they do. Germans pronounce 'sch' as 'sh' , the Dutch as 'S+ ch'
(as in 'loch' in Scotland). Hence the Dutch test for a German - asking
them to pronounce Scheveningen ( the seaside resort near the Hague).
PJW
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:39:00 GMT, whitey fjord <[email protected]>
wrote:
>as in the airport of Amsterdam. I was on the train from Paris, which
>makes a stop there, and I could swear they pronounced it "skipple."
(as in 'loch' in Scotland). Hence the Dutch test for a German - asking
them to pronounce Scheveningen ( the seaside resort near the Hague).
PJW
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:39:00 GMT, whitey fjord <[email protected]>
wrote:
>as in the airport of Amsterdam. I was on the train from Paris, which
>makes a stop there, and I could swear they pronounced it "skipple."
Aug 25th 2003, 5:52 pm
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P J Wallace <[email protected] [well, think about it]> wrote:
> Yes, they do. Germans pronounce 'sch' as 'sh' , the Dutch as 'S+ ch'
> (as in 'loch' in Scotland). Hence the Dutch test for a German - asking
> them to pronounce Scheveningen ( the seaside resort near the Hague).
How do you maneuver someone into saying Scheveningen without saying it
yourself and giving away the pronunciation? Why not use a generic term like
'gracht' that you can easily get someone to say - "Help me! My sister fell
into the, uh, ---" and then rely on people's natural instinct to finish each
other's sentences after a pause?
miguel
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> Yes, they do. Germans pronounce 'sch' as 'sh' , the Dutch as 'S+ ch'
> (as in 'loch' in Scotland). Hence the Dutch test for a German - asking
> them to pronounce Scheveningen ( the seaside resort near the Hague).
How do you maneuver someone into saying Scheveningen without saying it
yourself and giving away the pronunciation? Why not use a generic term like
'gracht' that you can easily get someone to say - "Help me! My sister fell
into the, uh, ---" and then rely on people's natural instinct to finish each
other's sentences after a pause?
miguel
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Aug 25th 2003, 6:20 pm
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"Sjoerd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > > whitey fjord <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > as in the airport of Amsterdam. I was on the train from Paris,
which
> > > > > makes a stop there, and I could swear they pronounced it
"skipple."
> > > >
> > > > I've always heard the 'hol' part pronounced more. In skipple it's
> hardly
> > > > pronounced at all. Nex
> > >
> > > you are right. In proper Dutch you pronounce the S - the "ch" as a
hard
> > "g"
> > > as in "Loch"
> >
> > But in "Loch" the "ch" is a sort of soft gutteral "g" as in Van Gogh.
> In "Van Gogh" both Gs are pronounced hard as in Schiphol.
Well, I don't like to disagree with you, but I heard a Dutch art expert
discussing Vincent on a BBC arts programme and he most definitely pronounced
both the first and last sounds as a soft gutteral "g".
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> > "Sjoerd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > "Alan Pollock" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
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> > > > whitey fjord <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > as in the airport of Amsterdam. I was on the train from Paris,
which
> > > > > makes a stop there, and I could swear they pronounced it
"skipple."
> > > >
> > > > I've always heard the 'hol' part pronounced more. In skipple it's
> hardly
> > > > pronounced at all. Nex
> > >
> > > you are right. In proper Dutch you pronounce the S - the "ch" as a
hard
> > "g"
> > > as in "Loch"
> >
> > But in "Loch" the "ch" is a sort of soft gutteral "g" as in Van Gogh.
> In "Van Gogh" both Gs are pronounced hard as in Schiphol.
Well, I don't like to disagree with you, but I heard a Dutch art expert
discussing Vincent on a BBC arts programme and he most definitely pronounced
both the first and last sounds as a soft gutteral "g".
Aug 25th 2003, 6:56 pm
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Mike O'Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Sjoerd" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In "Van Gogh" both Gs are pronounced hard as in Schiphol.
> Well, I don't like to disagree with you, but I heard a Dutch art expert
> discussing Vincent on a BBC arts programme and he most definitely pronounced
> both the first and last sounds as a soft gutteral "g".
Maybe he was toning it down for the audience (like how French people say
"Paris" rather than "Paghee" when speaking English), or perhaps he had been
requested to do so by the camera operator who was running out of paper to
wipe his lens with.
Sjoerd's description matches every time I've heard a Dutch person say it.
miguel
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> "Sjoerd" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In "Van Gogh" both Gs are pronounced hard as in Schiphol.
> Well, I don't like to disagree with you, but I heard a Dutch art expert
> discussing Vincent on a BBC arts programme and he most definitely pronounced
> both the first and last sounds as a soft gutteral "g".
Maybe he was toning it down for the audience (like how French people say
"Paris" rather than "Paghee" when speaking English), or perhaps he had been
requested to do so by the camera operator who was running out of paper to
wipe his lens with.
Sjoerd's description matches every time I've heard a Dutch person say it.
miguel
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Aug 25th 2003, 8:32 pm
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"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> How do you maneuver someone into saying Scheveningen without saying it
> yourself and giving away the pronunciation? Why not use a generic term
like
> 'gracht' that you can easily get someone to say - "Help me! My sister fell
> into the, uh, ---" and then rely on people's natural instinct to finish
each
> other's sentences after a pause?
How bout "My sister fell into the, uh,erwtensoep." That ought to do it.
Tom
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> How do you maneuver someone into saying Scheveningen without saying it
> yourself and giving away the pronunciation? Why not use a generic term
like
> 'gracht' that you can easily get someone to say - "Help me! My sister fell
> into the, uh, ---" and then rely on people's natural instinct to finish
each
> other's sentences after a pause?
How bout "My sister fell into the, uh,erwtensoep." That ought to do it.
Tom
Aug 25th 2003, 8:52 pm
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[email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote in
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> P J Wallace <[email protected] [well, think about it]>
> wrote:
>> Yes, they do. Germans pronounce 'sch' as 'sh' , the Dutch as 'S+ ch'
>> (as in 'loch' in Scotland). Hence the Dutch test for a German -
>> asking them to pronounce Scheveningen ( the seaside resort near the
>> Hague).
>
> How do you maneuver someone into saying Scheveningen without saying it
> yourself and giving away the pronunciation? Why not use a generic term
> like 'gracht' that you can easily get someone to say - "Help me! My
> sister fell into the, uh, ---" and then rely on people's natural
> instinct to finish each other's sentences after a pause?
>
> miguel
Miguel, I have heard Germans try to pronounce scheveningen and even I as
an American could tell.
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> P J Wallace <[email protected] [well, think about it]>
> wrote:
>> Yes, they do. Germans pronounce 'sch' as 'sh' , the Dutch as 'S+ ch'
>> (as in 'loch' in Scotland). Hence the Dutch test for a German -
>> asking them to pronounce Scheveningen ( the seaside resort near the
>> Hague).
>
> How do you maneuver someone into saying Scheveningen without saying it
> yourself and giving away the pronunciation? Why not use a generic term
> like 'gracht' that you can easily get someone to say - "Help me! My
> sister fell into the, uh, ---" and then rely on people's natural
> instinct to finish each other's sentences after a pause?
>
> miguel
Miguel, I have heard Germans try to pronounce scheveningen and even I as
an American could tell.
Aug 25th 2003, 10:40 pm
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:33:13 -0700, triumvir wrote:
> "a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Incidentally, I was told by Dutch friends that saying the town
>> 'Scheveningen' was used in WWII as a means of picking out the Germans!
>> Surreyman
>
> The Flemish used something similar at around the time of The Battle of
> the (Golden) Spurs (Guldensporenslag 1302). The French couldn't
> pronounce _Schilde ende Vriende_ (or something along those lines, in
> modern Dutch/Flemish it's _Schild en Vriend (Shield and Friend)).
> Hence, they would be greeted with a nice shiny Goedendag (typical
> Flemish weapon - a wooden stick, a chain & a spiked metal ball
> attached).
>
> The Flemish _ch_ and _g_ is a lot softer though, no spitting involved.
I did beat you on that one by a number of hours.
> "a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Incidentally, I was told by Dutch friends that saying the town
>> 'Scheveningen' was used in WWII as a means of picking out the Germans!
>> Surreyman
>
> The Flemish used something similar at around the time of The Battle of
> the (Golden) Spurs (Guldensporenslag 1302). The French couldn't
> pronounce _Schilde ende Vriende_ (or something along those lines, in
> modern Dutch/Flemish it's _Schild en Vriend (Shield and Friend)).
> Hence, they would be greeted with a nice shiny Goedendag (typical
> Flemish weapon - a wooden stick, a chain & a spiked metal ball
> attached).
>
> The Flemish _ch_ and _g_ is a lot softer though, no spitting involved.
I did beat you on that one by a number of hours.