The Reids

Following up to Gunner

    >What makes you think that guns can ever be removed from those of ill
    >intent. I notice you are posting from the UK..there is a virtual gun
    >ban there, is there not? Why so many shootings and a rising armed
    >crime rate? Afterall..guns are banned. Correct?

Gun crime in the UK compared to US?

There are many reasons for rises in crime. One of the problems UK
has is guns coming into criminal hands imported from places where
they are much easier to get.
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The Reids

Following up to Gunner

    >>>Btw..the largest mass killing in the US before the bombing of the
    >>>Oklahoma Federal Building was accomplished with a single gallon of
    >>>gasoline.
    >>which has nothing to do with the issue of gun control.
    >But you have stated that gun control is striclty for crime control and
    >to prevent harm to others. So it has a strict correllary.

how many times do you need telling before you understand?
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The Reids

Following up to Gunner

    >>so UK is totalitarian?
    >In many ways, its rapidly becoming so. But then..most Socialist States
    >evolve in that direction.

you seem to live in a fantasy world.
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The Reids

Following up to Bill Bonde ( ``There's sunshine in my stomach'' )

    >> guns can be misused for sport, so what? They are primarily for
    >> killing.
    >I just don't understand this idea you have. Have you ever fired a gun
    >before?

Of course not, please explain how that might modify my view. I'm
*very* interested in this.
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The Reids

Following up to Gunner

    >Laddy boy..you are starting to sound like a record with a big scratch,
    >or a retarded child in a tiff..its the same spew post after post.

pot, kettle?
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The Reids

Following up to Carl Rooker

    >Those who would take the guns from the average citizen leaves the average
    >citizen defenseless against those who would do harm. Better check which
    >side you are on.

We cope perfectly well in the UK without guns everywhere.
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The Reids

Following up to Gunner

    >Its quite evident that Reid is a totalitarian. He would have been the
    >type to at least, be an informant for the Gestapo.

Ah, mentions of Nazis at last. Does that mean the thread is over?
On reflection I think Gunner has gone too far here in the abuse
department today, so its in the killfile as threatened.
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The Reids

Following up to Bill Bonde ( ``There's sunshine in my stomach'' )

    >> if the prime purpose of guns is not to kill why do you make your
    >> arguments about defending democracy and yourself with guns?
    >Are guns being used to defend myself or democracy being necessarily used
    >to kill?

To kill or to threaten to kill. How else could it work?
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The Reids

Following up to The Independent

    >Yea it will. Go down to the county elections office and get the
    >name of all registered democrats. Then take them out and SHOOT
    >THE BITCHES AND BASTARDS.

This is an excellent illustration of how gun owners can defend
democracy. I rest my case.
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The Reids

Following up to John Husvar

    >My question is: What's it matter whether a specific variety of firearm
    >or anything else was or was not designed to be used to kill something?

I just wanted to establish the fact, it seems, however that the
pro gun lobby are very nervous of the fact.

    >Is all killing necessarily evil or immoral?

No.

    >Nearly all types of weapons were designed to or can be used to kill --
    >something.

That's what weapons do and guns are weapons.
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The Reids

Following up to Gunner

    >I am responding from misc.survivalism.

why am I not surprised.
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The Reids

Following up to Gunner

    >>I accept that hand guns don't have the power of rifles, that is
    >>not an issue.
    >Then why did you attempt to make it one?

I didn't.

You said:-

    >I'm just saying that handguns don't have the power of rifles. I have a
    >.444 Marlin rifle and it is much more powerful than a .44 Magnum
    >handgun, the one that Dirty Harry used.

I really don't care.
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The Reids

Following up to Dave Smith

    >> To launch a projectile at a target. Havent we been here before?
    >That line is getting pretty lame. You don't need a powerful handgun to
    >punch holes in targets. There are lots of .22 handguns that are ideal for
    >target shooting as well as those for various centre fire cartridges.
    >There is no need for magnum loads, and many shooting clubs do not even
    >allow them on their facilities because they cause to much damage to the
    >target frames and back stops.

exactly.
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The Reids

Following up to Gunner

    >>>Bill made his case very well. It appears that our Mr. Reid may well be
    >>>fearing of his own inability to control his own emotions.
    >>don't be silly. You are willfully misreading my post. Go back and
    >>answer the question.
    >Ah..no..it was your post..your statement and my conclusion. And again,
    >Ive answered your rather banal question time after time.

No. This is what I posted:-

    >>> Would someone like to answer my question as to is it a good thing
    >>> when in a car crash road rage incident they like the other driver
    >>> to
    >>> a) have a gun?
    >>> or
    >>> b) not have a gun?

To draw the conclusion that having asked that question that I
could not control my emotions is, frankly, pathetic.
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Following up to Carl Rooker

    >Now, whose side are you on? In this example, are you on the side of the
    >road rager, or those who would be his victem? What ever laws you make, he
    >will still have a gun.

In the UK it is unlikely in the extreme that he will have gun,
that's the point.
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