Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:04:58 +0100, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:

>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) schrieb:
>>
>>
>> Tom Peel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> we have an interesting problem- we want to book a vacation flight in
>>> July with our daughter and her baby. The only problem is, the baby
>>> isn't there yet, so there's no d.o.b. and no name known.
>>> However, the airline wants this info in order to issue a ticket. We
>>> thought maybe we could just book for the adults and add the baby
>>> later, but we can't do an online booking for a baby without booking an
>>> adult as well. Duhh.
>>> Anyone done this?
>>
>> Why would anyone WANT to? If it's only a "vacation"? If your daughter
>> were relocating to another country, she might really NEED to travel with
>> an infant that young. If the travel is purely recreational, why not
>> postpone it a bit? Traveling with an infant can be stressful, and very
>> young children don't have much in the way of acquired immunities to the
>> various illnesses to which travelers are exposed.
>>>
>>> T.
>
>Some of us only get vacation once a year.

In Germany? Unbelievable.
--

Martin

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:06:38 +0100, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:

>Martin schrieb:
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 12:58:28 +0100, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> we have an interesting problem- we want to book a vacation flight in
>>> July with our daughter and her baby. The only problem is, the baby isn't
>>> there yet, so there's no d.o.b. and no name known.
>>> However, the airline wants this info in order to issue a ticket. We
>>> thought maybe we could just book for the adults and add the baby later,
>>> but we can't do an online booking for a baby without booking an adult as
>>> well. Duhh.
>>> Anyone done this?
>>
>> The baby doesn't get a seat.
>
>Correct.
>
>
>I don't understand why the airline is making an
>> issue of it.
>
>They are not. But their online booking system is.
>
>If you just book two seats now isn't that sufficient? You can
>> always buy the baby's ticket later????
>
>No you can't. You can only book the baby's ticket together with an adult.

It depends on the airline.

Which airline are you using?
--

Martin

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 02:48:04 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
>had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
>that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
>proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
>having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
>will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
>far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.

Having a small child with an ear infection or a cold on a long flight can be fun
for the other passengers.
--

Martin

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:33:39 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 02:48:04 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
... chancellor (*)) wrote:
...
... >I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
... >had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
... >that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
... >proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
... >having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
... >will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
... >far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
...
... Having a small child with an ear infection or a cold on a long flight can be fun
... for the other passengers.

Are you playing for my team now?

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 11:50:41 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:33:39 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 02:48:04 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> ... chancellor (*)) wrote:
> ...
> ... >I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
> ... >had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
> ... >that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
> ... >proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
> ... >having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
> ... >will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
> ... >far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
> ...
> ... Having a small child with an ear infection or a cold on a long flight can be fun
> ... for the other passengers.
>
>Are you playing for my team now?

Just reminiscing. :-)

"If it was my baby, I would kill it"

It was the only time we ever had a problem flying with our kids and she
remembers nothing about her trip to Oz.

I noticed that in the meantime having your baby screaming in a cot on a
bulkhead, doesn't guarantee parents a bulkhead row seat. Airlines really know
how to make people suffer.
--

Martin

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>
> I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
> had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
> that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
> proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
> having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
> will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
> far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
>
That beats my first trip - I was nine months old.

Sheila

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 02:48:04 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
> >had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
> >that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
> >proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
> >having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
> >will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
> >far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
>
> Having a small child with an ear infection or a cold on a long flight can
> be fun for the other passengers.

Being on a packed air scouse flight isn't much fun either- but a baby
doesn't know any better, and a one or two year old can cause just as
much upset on a flight IME. Not to mention the 5 year olds who kick the
back of your seat the enture journey! :(

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:11:38 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 02:48:04 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
>> >had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
>> >that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
>> >proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
>> >having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
>> >will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
>> >far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
>>
>> Having a small child with an ear infection or a cold on a long flight can
>> be fun for the other passengers.
>
>Being on a packed air scouse flight isn't much fun either- but a baby
>doesn't know any better, and a one or two year old can cause just as
>much upset on a flight IME. Not to mention the 5 year olds who kick the
>back of your seat the enture journey! :(

Lucky you!
--

Martin

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:52:37 -0500, S Viemeister <[email protected]>
wrote:

>David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>>
>> I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
>> had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
>> that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
>> proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
>> having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
>> will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
>> far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
>>
>That beats my first trip - I was nine months old.

My son had his first sailing boat trip one November, when he was three weeks
old.
--

Martin

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:52:37 -0500, S Viemeister
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
> >>
> >> I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
> >> had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
> >> that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
> >> proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
> >> having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
> >> will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
> >> far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
> >>
> >That beats my first trip - I was nine months old.
>
> My son had his first sailing boat trip one November, when he was three weeks
> old.

I'm waiting on Evelyn to barge in and lecture you on your priorities.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:39:46 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:52:37 -0500, S Viemeister
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
>> >> had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
>> >> that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
>> >> proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
>> >> having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
>> >> will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
>> >> far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
>> >>
>> >That beats my first trip - I was nine months old.
>>
>> My son had his first sailing boat trip one November, when he was three weeks
>> old.
>
>I'm waiting on Evelyn to barge in and lecture you on your priorities.

I have a licence, I know my priorities when I am sailing.
--

Martin

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:

> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Tom Peel wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>> we have an interesting problem- we want to book a vacation flight in
>>>July with our daughter and her baby. The only problem is, the baby isn't
>>>there yet, so there's no d.o.b. and no name known.
>>> However, the airline wants this info in order to issue a ticket. We
>>>thought maybe we could just book for the adults and add the baby later,
>>>but we can't do an online booking for a baby without booking an adult as
>>>well. Duhh.
>>> Anyone done this?
>>
>>Why would anyone WANT to? If it's only a "vacation"? If
>>your daughter were relocating to another country, she might
>>really NEED to travel with an infant that young. If the
>>travel is purely recreational, why not postpone it a bit?
>>Traveling with an infant can be stressful, and very young
>>children don't have much in the way of acquired immunities
>>to the various illnesses to which travelers are exposed.
>
>
> I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
> had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
> that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
> proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
> having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
> will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
> far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.

Given the discomforts and "anti-terrorist" strictures placed
upon air travel these days, I can't imagine it would be much
of a "vacation" for the new mother! Considering the cost of
such a vacation, why not wait a few years until the child
can enoy it, too? (We can at least HOPE the world will
still exist, then.)

>

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:31:55 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Tom Peel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi
>>>>
>>>> we have an interesting problem- we want to book a vacation flight in
>>>>July with our daughter and her baby. The only problem is, the baby isn't
>>>>there yet, so there's no d.o.b. and no name known.
>>>> However, the airline wants this info in order to issue a ticket. We
>>>>thought maybe we could just book for the adults and add the baby later,
>>>>but we can't do an online booking for a baby without booking an adult as
>>>>well. Duhh.
>>>> Anyone done this?
>>>
>>>Why would anyone WANT to? If it's only a "vacation"? If
>>>your daughter were relocating to another country, she might
>>>really NEED to travel with an infant that young. If the
>>>travel is purely recreational, why not postpone it a bit?
>>>Traveling with an infant can be stressful, and very young
>>>children don't have much in the way of acquired immunities
>>>to the various illnesses to which travelers are exposed.
>>
>>
>> I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
>> had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
>> that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
>> proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
>> having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
>> will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
>> far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
>
>Given the discomforts and "anti-terrorist" strictures placed
>upon air travel these days, I can't imagine it would be much
>of a "vacation" for the new mother! Considering the cost of
>such a vacation, why not wait a few years until the child
>can enoy it, too? (We can at least HOPE the world will
>still exist, then.)

Ageing grandparents might not.
--

Martin

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:

> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 02:48:04 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>>chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
>>>had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
>>>that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
>>>proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
>>>having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
>>>will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
>>>far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
>>
>>Having a small child with an ear infection or a cold on a long flight can
>>be fun for the other passengers.
>
>
> Being on a packed air scouse flight isn't much fun either- but a baby
> doesn't know any better, and a one or two year old can cause just as
> much upset on a flight IME.

All the more reason for considering the rights of your
fellow-passengers!

> Not to mention the 5 year olds who kick the
> back of your seat the enture journey! :(

True, but for THAT you can blame the parents! (And complain
to them - and to the flight attendants, if necessary.) I've
often traveled when some of my fellow-passengers were small
children, and most of the other people on the plane didn't
even know they were there until we saw them disembarking!
(These are the same children who can be taken to restaurants
and public functions without annoying the other patrons.)

Re: How to book a flight for someone who isn't born yet
 

Martin wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:39:46 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>
>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:52:37 -0500, S Viemeister
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my parents
>>>>>had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you considered
>>>>>that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt very
>>>>>proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't remember
>>>>>having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
>>>>>will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that bonding
>>>>>far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That beats my first trip - I was nine months old.
>>>
>>>My son had his first sailing boat trip one November, when he was three weeks
>>>old.
>>
>>I'm waiting on Evelyn to barge in and lecture you on your priorities.
>
>
> I have a licence, I know my priorities when I am sailing.

If you were on a small craft, one assumes there were not
hundreds of fellow-passengers to consider! (And that the
boy was well-supervised for his own safety.)