Greg Byshenk

Fred Fowler wrote:

    > [...] American sentiment is not well loved now, should I just abandon the
    > idea and spend my $10K in another country?

    > Any suggestions?

Go troll somewhere else...?

I could almost accept this as a reasonable question, were it not for the
subject line.


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Hobart Xaxinojo

hmmm. i know you from your postings and they are quite ludicrous.

"Marie Lewis" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > In article , hobart xaxinojo
    > writes
    > >hmmm you madame are so opinionated and wound so tight that it is really
    > >quite a miracle that you are able to sit and type without foaming at the
    > >mouth. ah wait is that spittle i detect in your grandiloquence (bombast,
    > >claptrap - Pretentious, pompous speech or writing).
    > Des maintenant, je vous reponds seulement en francais. Vous excuserez,
    > j'espere, le fait que je ne mets pas d'accents: les ordinateurs ont ,des
    > fois, des problemes avec les accents.
    > Je vous assure que mes opinions valent autant que les votres. Vous ne
    > savez rien de moi. Rien du tout, a part le fait que je connais bien mon
    > grammaire,
    > --
    > Marie Lewis

Magda

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:28:31 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "hobart xaxinojo"
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... hmmm. i know you from your postings and they are quite ludicrous.

I don't see anything of the sort in her posts. And she didn't waste her teachers' time,
either.

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Le verbe "aimer" est le plus compliqué de la langue. Son passé n'est jamais simple, son présent n'est qu'imparfait et son futur toujours conditionnel.

Marie Lewis

In article , hobart xaxinojo
writes
    >hmmm. i know you from your postings and they are quite ludicrous.
Et les votres? Comment sont-ils?
--
Marie Lewis

Brenda

Jenn wrote in message news:...
    > In article ,
    > [email protected] (brenda) wrote:
    >
    > > Fred Fowler wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > Hi All:
    > > >
    > > > We are getting married May 10th.
    > > >
    > > > My Fiance had never been to Europe so I thought Paris would be nice
    > > > honeymoon trip and a fun way to introduce her to the different
    > > > cultures and feeling of Europe. I have contacted 6 hotels via email,
    > > > and have not had a single response back from any. While I know that
    > > > American sentiment is not well loved now, should I just abandon the
    > > > idea and spend my $10K in another country?
    > > >
    > > > Any suggestions?
    > >
    > > Wow - That's a rather harsh reaction. I would just book it on the
    > > Internet - Travelocity or Expedia or what ever you like. That way you
    > > will have no language difficulties, will have a confirmation in
    > > writing & have someone to back you up if there's a problem. Or...
    > > here's a novel idea - why don't you just use a travel agent? That's
    > > what they do (& pretty well, too). A good Europe agent will have
    > > great suggestions for hotels in your price range, know what rooms to
    > > ask for - especially important for a honeymoon & will give you full
    > > written confirmations & help at any point in the journey if problems
    > > arise.
    >
    >
    >
    > travel agents for the most part book people into costly charmless hotels
    > -- I am sure there are specialists who do better, but for the most part
    > they just go to the big books --- you will do much better booking
    > yourself after doing some research.
    >
    > A hotel that fails to respond to Email should be scratched off -- it is
    > a son of indifferent service

I haven't found this to be true - if you are specific about what you
want & do some research on the hotels suggested yourself. A good
agent has suggestions for hotels in all price ranges & needs - ranging
from commerical for business travellers to romantic for honeymooners.
If they don't, find another agent.

Pan

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:57:39 +0000, Marie Lewis
wrote:

[snip]
    >Je vous assure que mes opinions valent autant que les votres.
[snip]

Vos opinions valent beacoup plus que les siens.

Michael

Bernard T Higonnet

greg byshenk wrote:
    > Fred Fowler wrote:
    >
    >
    >> [...] American sentiment is not well loved now, should I just abandon the
    >> idea and spend my $10K in another country?
    >
    >
    >
    >> Any suggestions?
    >
    >
    > Go troll somewhere else...?
    >
    > I could almost accept this as a reasonable question, were it not for the
    > subject line.

Indeed. Though Paris is, I think, without question, the most beautiful
modern city in the world, someone who wrote the subject line is highly
likely to find all sorts of things wrong when he goes to a place he's
predisposed not to like anyway. Life in the big city, in Paris, as in
New York and other places, can have involved unpleasant incidents most
of them insignificant but which can be misinterpreted... When I was last
in Rome I was the victim of an attempted
someone-spilled-something-on-your-coat-can-I-help-you-scam but I neither
think all Romans or Italians are thieves, nor have I decided not to
return. But that's because I went with every intention of having a good
time.

Better to go ona honeymoon to a place one really wants to go to.

Bernard Higonnet
Paris

Devil

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:01:00 +0100, Bernard T Higonnet wrote:

    > greg byshenk wrote:
    >> Fred Fowler wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> [...] American sentiment is not well loved now, should I just abandon
    >>> the idea and spend my $10K in another country?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> Any suggestions?
    >>
    >>
    >> Go troll somewhere else...?
    >>
    >> I could almost accept this as a reasonable question, were it not for
    >> the subject line.
    >
    > Indeed. Though Paris is, I think, without question, the most beautiful
    > modern city in the world, someone who wrote the subject line is highly
    > likely to find all sorts of things wrong when he goes to a place he's
    > predisposed not to like anyway. Life in the big city, in Paris, as in
    > New York and other places, can have involved unpleasant incidents most
    > of them insignificant but which can be misinterpreted... When I was last
    > in Rome I was the victim of an attempted
    > someone-spilled-something-on-your-coat-can-I-help-you-scam but I neither
    > think all Romans or Italians are thieves, nor have I decided not to
    > return. But that's because I went with every intention of having a good
    > time.
    >
    > Better to go ona honeymoon to a place one really wants to go to.


Beautiful, OK I'll grant you that. Modern? So so; traffic is a
nightmare. However, on the negative side, it sticks.
Which is a real turnoff.

Richard

[piggy-backing on Hobart's post because Marie's never made it to my server]

    > "Marie Lewis" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...

    > > ... je connais bien mon grammaire ...

That's really rich, making a grammatical mistake as you claim to have good
grammar. So does this mean the rest of us should all ignore your posts now
since your grammar needs help?

Richard

Gregory Morrow

Magda wrote:

    > On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:28:31 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "hobart
xaxinojo"
    > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ...
    > ... hmmm. i know you from your postings and they are quite ludicrous.
    > I don't see anything of the sort in her posts. And she didn't waste her
teachers' time,
    > either.

Rather odd that she has to express herself in a foreign language on a
primarily English - only newsgroup, isn't it?

I think the word that best describes Marie is "poseur"...and that goes for
you too, luv!


--
Best
Greg

Frank Clarke

On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:14:43 +0000, Marie Lewis
wrote:


    >In article , eddy
    > writes
    >>if you dont use frog speak they wont reply
    >>english is verboten
    >>they NEVER willingly use english
    >Incroyable. Quant à moi, j'ai toujours trouvé que les Français veulent
    >bien me parler en anglais bien que je puisse m'exprimer bien en
    >français.

Absolutely. My French vocabulary is only 200-300 words (thus my
reply is in English ;-) but this has always been adequate to get the
conversation started, at least. You will almost always get an
affirmative response if you start "Bonjour. Parlez-vous Anglais?"
Even those shopkeepers educated in the American-style (one language)
want to do business with you and will bend over backwards to do so.

Out in the countryside it gets a little more difficult, but the people
are always friendly.

I recall a tongue-firmly-in-cheek "advisory" to American travellers in
France that included this:
"One continuing exasperation for American visitors is that the people
willfully persist in speaking French, although many will speak English
if shouted at repeatedly."

Thank goodness there are none of those here ;-)

Jenn

In article ,
Frank Clarke wrote:

    > On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:14:43 +0000, Marie Lewis
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    > >In article , eddy
    > > writes
    > >>if you dont use frog speak they wont reply
    > >>english is verboten
    > >>they NEVER willingly use english
    > >
    > >
    > >Incroyable. Quant à moi, j'ai toujours trouvé que les Français veulent
    > >bien me parler en anglais bien que je puisse m'exprimer bien en
    > >français.
    >
    > Absolutely. My French vocabulary is only 200-300 words (thus my
    > reply is in English ;-) but this has always been adequate to get the
    > conversation started, at least. You will almost always get an
    > affirmative response if you start "Bonjour. Parlez-vous Anglais?"
    > Even those shopkeepers educated in the American-style (one language)
    > want to do business with you and will bend over backwards to do so.
    >
    > Out in the countryside it gets a little more difficult, but the people
    > are always friendly.
    >
    > I recall a tongue-firmly-in-cheek "advisory" to American travellers in
    > France that included this:
    > "One continuing exasperation for American visitors is that the people
    > willfully persist in speaking French, although many will speak English
    > if shouted at repeatedly."
    >
    > Thank goodness there are none of those here ;-)
    >



in my somewhat vast experience, it is not Americans who shout in English
to be understood by the French but rather the English --

Only last May we observed several middle age or older English men barge
up to shop counters, hotel check ins etc and simply bray their demands
without so much as a greeting in the local language, and a modest
request to do business in English.

It makes all the difference in the world, to begin in French or Italian
and then throw up one's hands and admit ones linquistic incompetence

We have had no trouble doing business in the French, Italian and Spanish
countryside where no English is spoken using only a few phrases, lots of
pantomime and good will.

Magda

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:24:03 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :


... Rather odd that she has to express herself in a foreign language on a
... primarily English - only newsgroup, isn't it?
...
... I think the word that best describes Marie is "poseur"...and that goes for
... you too, luv!

Je fais ce que je veux, et je t'emmerde.

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Due to a lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled.