Petter

    > > > It is difficult to find a workplace or university anywhere
    > > > in the world, where math/science departments are not filled
    > > > with foreigners.
    > > Most such departments are filled with natives, as one might logically
    > > expect, although the educational institutions of some countries attract
    > > large foreign enrollments, if they have good reputations.
    > I have never seen a department filled with natives. Care to name some?

Trondheim

    > > > I was going by your words, which made the options sound so limited.
    > > I don't recall describing any options.
    > Have you described any options at all? No, just that I should not come to
    > Europe.

You came up with a few things you don't like. I suggested hiking and
beaches, no answer though.

Mistissini

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    > > I have never seen a department filled with natives. Care to name some?
    > Trondheim

Really, there is a university where a department is filled with natives?
That would be a sight I have never seen before.

If it's any coincidence, there was a Norwegian Buddhist from Trondheim back
in 1996 who didn't like the things I said about Buddhism, made death
threats, and showed up in Washington DC (where I lived at the time), but he
failed to physically track me down.


    > You came up with a few things you don't like. I suggested hiking and
    > beaches, no answer though.

The suggestions were taken.

Mistissini

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    > mistissini writes:
    > > Already have.
    > Then stay with them. It sounds as if they may have more of what you
    > want.

I was just seeing if Europe offered it too, but by the angry tone of your
response, I guess there is an inferiority complex at play. ;-)


    > > Do you know where I could meet more intelligent Europeans that have good
    > > ideas?
    > There are lots of them here in Europe.

Good, how would I meet them?

    > > Not my experience.
    > Our experiences differ, then.

Doesn't surprise me.



    > Most non-famous universities are filled mostly with local students.
    > Nobody travels from India or New Zealand to attend school at the
    > University of Smallville.

Are you kidding me? I have been to non-famous universities and community
colleges, which were packed full of foreign students.


    > The fact that you have not seen such
    > departments doesn't mean they don't exist; indeed, since they are not
    > well known, it is logical that you would not have seen them, unless they
    > were in your own town.

Which towns would those be, of the many I have lived in?


    > > Have you described any options at all?
    > Not really. You haven't said much at all about what you want.

I have, but I guess you haven't picked up on it.

    > > No, just that I should not come to Europe.
    > That's my current suggestion, yes.

Ok Mr. Pighead. :o)

Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > Already have.

Then stay with them. It sounds as if they may have more of what you
want.

    > Do you know where I could meet more intelligent Europeans that have good
    > ideas?

There are lots of them here in Europe.

    > Not my experience.

Our experiences differ, then.

    > I have never seen a department filled with natives. Care to name some?

Most non-famous universities are filled mostly with local students.
Nobody travels from India or New Zealand to attend school at the
University of Smallville. The fact that you have not seen such
departments doesn't mean they don't exist; indeed, since they are not
well known, it is logical that you would not have seen them, unless they
were in your own town.

    > Have you described any options at all?

Not really. You haven't said much at all about what you want.

    > No, just that I should not come to Europe.

That's my current suggestion, yes.

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<snip>

. If Europe is modern or cosmopolitan, I would be interested in
    > knowing about it.
Cosmopolitan enough to know that anyone who calls Roma 'Gypsies' certainly
has a few 'issues' with matters of race. Unless you meant 'gypsies', as in
'travellers' but then that not a race thing anyway (and not exactly a PC
term) - you see the difference?

Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > With your attitude?

My attitude is neutral.

    > I'm not that gullible.

You may not be gullible, but you seem a bit paranoid.

    > I don't count calories, do you?

Yes.

If you don't count calories, why do you ask if foods are high in
calories?

    > You'll have to show me the exact context of all the former statements if you
    > wish to support your statement.

I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader. This is not a
competition.

    > What makes you think they only occurred over the internet?

Because I asked, "Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?"
and you replied "If I have heard many accounts from many different
people over a ten-year period, then yes."

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    > > mistissini writes:
    > >
    > > > Yes, so it contradicts Petter's claim that "Internet cafes is very
    > popular
    > > > in countries where the people can't afford a
    > > > PC and a proper bandwith at home."
    > > No, it says nothing about his claim, which might be independently true
    > > or untrue.
    > Petter said "Internet cafes is very popular in countries where the people
    > can't afford a
    > PC and a proper bandwith at home. There is no connection between how
    > creative or enlightened people in the country are. It depends on how poor
    > they are."
    > You said "Affordability isn't the only factor to consider. Broadband
access
    > is
    > cheap in France, and PCs are not expensive, but relatively few French
    > people own a PC, and Internet cafés do well because so few people invest
    > in home connections (despite their low cost and ready availability)."
    > Which contradicts his statement.

He is right and wrong. It's possible on this planet.

There are more internet cafés in Bolivia than in Norway due to wellfare of
the citicens. There are more in France than Norway due to cultural
differencies.

Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > Petter said "Internet cafes is very popular in countries where the people
    > can't afford a
    > PC and a proper bandwith at home. There is no connection between how
    > creative or enlightened people in the country are. It depends on how poor
    > they are."
    >
    > You said "Affordability isn't the only factor to consider. Broadband access
    > is cheap in France, and PCs are not expensive, but relatively few French
    > people own a PC, and Internet cafés do well because so few people invest
    > in home connections (despite their low cost and ready availability)."
    >
    > Which contradicts his statement.

No, it doesn't. I said "affordability isn't the ONLY factor to
consider," which thus does not exclude his statement. His statement is
true, except insofar as he implies that the prevalence of Internet cafes
is _exclusively_ dependent on poverty or wealth. I pointed out that
other factors influence this prevalence as well.

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Mistissini

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    > mistissini writes:
    > > With your attitude?
    > My attitude is neutral.

Pigs fly too?

    > > I'm not that gullible.
    > You may not be gullible, but you seem a bit paranoid.

Who, you or me?

    > > I don't count calories, do you?
    > Yes.

So you're a fat asshole, is that it?


    > If you don't count calories, why do you ask if foods are high in
    > calories?

I know that foods like pasta or cheese are fattening, without counting the
exact calories in them.


    > > You'll have to show me the exact context of all the former statements if
you
    > > wish to support your statement.
    > I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader. This is not a
    > competition.

So you're chickening out, uh?


    > > What makes you think they only occurred over the internet?
    > Because I asked, "Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?"
    > and you replied "If I have heard many accounts from many different
    > people over a ten-year period, then yes."

Again, what makes you think they only occurred over the internet?

Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > I have found out new things from leaving home.

Such as?

    > See above.

I see the above, but I see no hostility or knee-jerk accusations.

    > Indeed, people with low self esteem are not alone.

... in perceiving hostility in your actions. If it's there, everyone is
likely to see it, not just people with low self-esteem.

    > You tell me, you're the one who made up the claim that Europeans don't like
    > to ask what you do for a living.

But you're the one who described the Mexican. I cannot know what you
meant by that statement. Why do you refuse to explain?

As for my claim, it is widely true. Europeans tend to avoid questions
about personal life with casual acquaintances, although this varies
considerably from one country to another.

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Martin writes:

    > Personally, I would stop feeding the troll if I were you.

What troll?

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Mistissini

"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > No, it doesn't. I said "affordability isn't the ONLY factor to
    > consider," which thus does not exclude his statement. His statement is
    > true, except insofar as he implies that the prevalence of Internet cafes
    > is _exclusively_ dependent on poverty or wealth. I pointed out that
    > other factors influence this prevalence as well.

So in other words, you contradicted him.

Mxsmanic

tim writes:

    > People seem to make this distinction based upon the way that a
    > person dresses, not on the colour of their skin.

Often true, as the dress is typically much more distinctive than the
skin color. Gypsies are easy to spot in this way.

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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > mistissini writes:
    > > I have found out new things from leaving home.
    > Such as?

Plenty of things.

    > > See above.
    > I see the above, but I see no hostility or knee-jerk accusations.

Then look again.


    > ... in perceiving hostility in your actions. If it's there, everyone is
    > likely to see it, not just people with low self-esteem.

People with low self-esteem surround themselves with other losers, so have a
different conception of "everyone".


    > > You tell me, you're the one who made up the claim that Europeans don't
like
    > > to ask what you do for a living.
    > But you're the one who described the Mexican. I cannot know what you
    > meant by that statement. Why do you refuse to explain?

It's ok, I won't explain pearls to swine.

    > As for my claim, it is widely true. Europeans tend to avoid questions
    > about personal life with casual acquaintances, although this varies
    > considerably from one country to another.

Yeah, ok.

Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > Really, there is a university where a department is filled with natives?
    > That would be a sight I have never seen before.

So you have previously indicated.

I've never seen a platypus, either.

    > If it's any coincidence, there was a Norwegian Buddhist from Trondheim back
    > in 1996 who didn't like the things I said about Buddhism, made death
    > threats, and showed up in Washington DC (where I lived at the time), but he
    > failed to physically track me down.

Do you often engender such animosity in others? What did you say about
Buddhism?

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