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Old Jul 2nd 2007 | 11:02 pm
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michaelnewport
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http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070703_railteam

High speed train companies join forces

Tue 03/07/07 - Belgium's publicly owned railway company, the NMBS, has
joined six other European rail companies in order to improve the way
they compete with air carriers. All seven rail companies operate high
speed train services like the Eurostar and the Thalys.
The new co-operation arrangement is called Railteam. The aim is to
issue joint tickets that are valid across the seven networks.
The tickets should be available by 2009.

The seven rail companies say that they hope to offer a valid
alternative to short haul flights and road travel.

By 2010 Railteam hopes to have 25 million passengers travelling on its
joint network.

At the moment the seven companies have just under 15 million
passengers in all.

They will be target travellers on routes that take between 4 and 6
hours on average.

Rail passengers will be able to check in until minutes before their
train leaves.

Railteam believes this is a distinct advantage to air travel.

The seven companies also point out that rail travel produces far less
greenhouse gas emissions than air travel, another distinct advantage.
 
Old Jul 2nd 2007 | 11:37 pm
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On 3 jul, 13:02, "You have therefore been approved to claim a total
sum of £619,063GBP" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...70703_railteam
>
> High speed train companies join forces
>
> Tue 03/07/07 - Belgium's publicly owned railway company, the NMBS, has
> joined six other European rail companies in order to improve the way
> they compete with air carriers. All seven rail companies operate high
> speed train services like the Eurostar and the Thalys.
> The new co-operation arrangement is called Railteam. The aim is to
> issue joint tickets that are valid across the seven networks.
> The tickets should be available by 2009.

They can start by fixing their crap booking facilities.

E.g. Mrs B wants to travel from Schiphol to Paris with the Bartlette,
and return alone. How do you book a return and a single, with the 2
sitting together? Answer - you can't. Even when you do get booked, it
costs you nearly 400 Euros, even booking weeks ahead.

B;
 
Old Jul 3rd 2007 | 12:02 am
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On 3 Jul, 13:37, [email protected] wrote:
> On 3 jul, 13:02, "You have therefore been approved to claim a total
> sum of £619,063GBP" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...70703_railteam
>
> > High speed train companies join forces
>
> > Tue 03/07/07 - Belgium's publicly owned railway company, the NMBS, has
> > joined six other European rail companies in order to improve the way
> > they compete with air carriers. All seven rail companies operate high
> > speed train services like the Eurostar and the Thalys.
> > The new co-operation arrangement is called Railteam. The aim is to
> > issue joint tickets that are valid across the seven networks.
> > The tickets should be available by 2009.
>
> They can start by fixing their crap booking facilities.
>
> E.g. Mrs B wants to travel from Schiphol to Paris with the Bartlette,
> and return alone. How do you book a return and a single, with the 2
> sitting together? Answer - you can't. Even when you do get booked, it
> costs you nearly 400 Euros, even booking weeks ahead.
>
> B;

I just booked Belgium - London return for Euro 69 in July. I will have
to pay extra to get out of London, but its cheaper than flying (and
you try getting a Jeep on the platform !)
 
Old Jul 3rd 2007 | 12:40 am
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:37:39 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>On 3 jul, 13:02, "You have therefore been approved to claim a total
>sum of £619,063GBP" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...70703_railteam
>>
>> High speed train companies join forces
>>
>> Tue 03/07/07 - Belgium's publicly owned railway company, the NMBS, has
>> joined six other European rail companies in order to improve the way
>> they compete with air carriers. All seven rail companies operate high
>> speed train services like the Eurostar and the Thalys.
>> The new co-operation arrangement is called Railteam. The aim is to
>> issue joint tickets that are valid across the seven networks.
>> The tickets should be available by 2009.

2009! No urgency then.

>
>They can start by fixing their crap booking facilities.

That's on the list according to an article in my local newspaper.

>
>E.g. Mrs B wants to travel from Schiphol to Paris with the Bartlette,
>and return alone.

You sold Bartlette to Mixi? Good thinking. :-)

>How do you book a return and a single, with the 2
>sitting together? Answer - you can't. Even when you do get booked, it
>costs you nearly 400 Euros,

EUR 76 each way with Mezzo Comfort return obligatory.
I get EUR 55 each way for Mezzo comfort if I book for the last weekend in August
with the advanced search option. Their software has faults in it.

>even booking weeks ahead.

and smoking is still allowed! How does this fit in with Dutch law that bans
smoking on public vehicles?

Duh! For some reason I thought it was cheap. Thalys had a policy of cheap seats
being for the last minute bookers, some years ago.
--

Martin
 
Old Jul 3rd 2007 | 6:26 am
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On 3 Jul, 13:37, [email protected] wrote:
> On 3 jul, 13:02, "You have therefore been approved to claim a total
> sum of £619,063GBP" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...70703_railteam
>
> > High speed train companies join forces
>
> > Tue 03/07/07 - Belgium's publicly owned railway company, the NMBS, has
> > joined six other European rail companies in order to improve the way
> > they compete with air carriers. All seven rail companies operate high
> > speed train services like the Eurostar and the Thalys.
> > The new co-operation arrangement is called Railteam. The aim is to
> > issue joint tickets that are valid across the seven networks.
> > The tickets should be available by 2009.
>
> They can start by fixing their crap booking facilities.
>
> E.g. Mrs B wants to travel from Schiphol to Paris with the Bartlette,
> and return alone. How do you book a return and a single, with the 2
> sitting together? Answer - you can't. Even when you do get booked, it
> costs you nearly 400 Euros, even booking weeks ahead.
>
> B;

I just booked Belgium - London return for Euro 69 in July. I will have
to pay extra to get out of London, but its cheaper than flying (and
you try getting a Jeep on the platform !)
 
Old Jul 3rd 2007 | 10:01 am
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"You have therefore been approved to claim a total sum of £619,063GBP" <[email protected]> writes:

>Tue 03/07/07 - Belgium's publicly owned railway company, the NMBS, has
>joined six other European rail companies in order to improve the way
>they compete with air carriers.

>The seven companies also point out that rail travel produces far less
>greenhouse gas emissions than air travel, another distinct advantage.

One would think that the fact that trains don't leave the ground is advantage
enough...

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Old Jul 3rd 2007 | 7:43 pm
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Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
> "You have therefore been approved to claim a total sum of £619,063GBP" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>>Tue 03/07/07 - Belgium's publicly owned railway company, the NMBS, has
>>joined six other European rail companies in order to improve the way
>>they compete with air carriers.
>
>
>>The seven companies also point out that rail travel produces far less
>>greenhouse gas emissions than air travel, another distinct advantage.
>
>
> One would think that the fact that trains don't leave the ground is advantage
> enough...
>
On the contrary, from an engineering point of view trains are much more
at risk to have catastrophic accidents than aircraft, because aircraft
systems are designed to be intrinsically failsafe. Consider the following:
- a train with 16 coaches has 128 wheels. If any one wheel breaks, the
trail is likely to derail with disastrous results at high speed. An
aircraft typically has two engines. If one engine fails - it keeps flying.
- trains are continuously at risk of hitting obstacles like stalled
cars on crossings, fallen trees, mudslides, even suicidal maniacs.
Aircraft operate at high altitudes under continuous radar control to
ensure separation from other aircraft.
- train accidents can be caused by factors totally out of control of
the driver, such as signal or point failures. In an aircraft, the pilots
have final control.
- commercial aircraft have a minimum of two pilots. Trains operate
with a single driver.
- in addition, trains operate with virtually no security. They are
much simpler to target by terrorists, as recent years have shown.

T.
 
Old Jul 3rd 2007 | 8:19 pm
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On 3 jul, 14:40, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:37:39 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

> >E.g. Mrs B wants to travel from Schiphol to Paris with the Bartlette,
> >and return alone.
>
> You sold Bartlette to Mixi? Good thinking. :-)
>
> >How do you book a return and a single, with the 2
> >sitting together? Answer - you can't. Even when you do get booked, it
> >costs you nearly 400 Euros,
>
> EUR 76 each way with Mezzo Comfort return obligatory.
> I get EUR 55 each way for Mezzo comfort if I book for the last weekend in August
> with the advanced search option. Their software has faults in it.

She needs to travel 15th July, in order to deliver Bartlette to camp
in the Ardeche. And she needs to travel 1st class to avoid the horrid
poor people. :-(

B;
 
Old Jul 3rd 2007 | 8:35 pm
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On 4 Jul, 10:19, [email protected] wrote:
> On 3 jul, 14:40, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:37:39 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> > >E.g. Mrs B wants to travel from Schiphol to Paris with the Bartlette,
> > >and return alone.
>
> > You sold Bartlette to Mixi? Good thinking. :-)
>
> > >How do you book a return and a single, with the 2
> > >sitting together? Answer - you can't. Even when you do get booked, it
> > >costs you nearly 400 Euros,
>
> > EUR 76 each way with Mezzo Comfort return obligatory.
> > I get EUR 55 each way for Mezzo comfort if I book for the last weekend in August
> > with the advanced search option. Their software has faults in it.
>
> She needs to travel 15th July, in order to deliver Bartlette to camp
> in the Ardeche. And she needs to travel 1st class to avoid the horrid
> poor people. :-(
>
> B;

France is full of farmers, and they are all poor, listen to them rant !
 
Old Jul 3rd 2007 | 8:47 pm
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 01:19:50 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>On 3 jul, 14:40, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:37:39 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> >E.g. Mrs B wants to travel from Schiphol to Paris with the Bartlette,
>> >and return alone.
>>
>> You sold Bartlette to Mixi? Good thinking. :-)
>>
>> >How do you book a return and a single, with the 2
>> >sitting together? Answer - you can't. Even when you do get booked, it
>> >costs you nearly 400 Euros,
>>
>> EUR 76 each way with Mezzo Comfort return obligatory.
>> I get EUR 55 each way for Mezzo comfort if I book for the last weekend in August
>> with the advanced search option. Their software has faults in it.
>
>She needs to travel 15th July, in order to deliver Bartlette to camp
>in the Ardeche. And she needs to travel 1st class to avoid the horrid
>poor people. :-(

The website is useless, you have to go back to the beginning for each day that
you want to check.

I asked P&O about smoking on their Hull R'dam boats they "are going to have to
do something about it"
--

Martin
 
Old Jul 3rd 2007 | 8:50 pm
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On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:01:11 +1000, Paul Dwerryhouse
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"You have therefore been approved to claim a total sum of £619,063GBP" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>Tue 03/07/07 - Belgium's publicly owned railway company, the NMBS, has
>>joined six other European rail companies in order to improve the way
>>they compete with air carriers.
>
>>The seven companies also point out that rail travel produces far less
>>greenhouse gas emissions than air travel, another distinct advantage.
>
>One would think that the fact that trains don't leave the ground is advantage
>enough...

... other than the problems they get when they occasionally unintentionally
leave the ground.
--

Martin
 
Old Jul 5th 2007 | 6:06 am
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On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:01:11 +1000, Paul Dwerryhouse
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"You have therefore been approved to claim a total sum of £619,063GBP" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>Tue 03/07/07 - Belgium's publicly owned railway company, the NMBS, has
>>joined six other European rail companies in order to improve the way
>>they compete with air carriers.
>
>>The seven companies also point out that rail travel produces far less
>>greenhouse gas emissions than air travel, another distinct advantage.
>
>One would think that the fact that trains don't leave the ground

At least that's the hope.

>is advantage enough...

The German ICE accident a few years ago would seem to say it's
not all that much an advantage.

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Old Jul 7th 2007 | 9:08 pm
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
> On 3 jul, 14:40, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:37:39 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> >E.g. Mrs B wants to travel from Schiphol to Paris with the Bartlette,
>> >and return alone.
>>
>> You sold Bartlette to Mixi? Good thinking. :-)
>>
>> >How do you book a return and a single, with the 2
>> >sitting together? Answer - you can't. Even when you do get booked, it
>> >costs you nearly 400 Euros,
>>
>> EUR 76 each way with Mezzo Comfort return obligatory.
>> I get EUR 55 each way for Mezzo comfort if I book for the last weekend in
>> August
>> with the advanced search option. Their software has faults in it.
>
> She needs to travel 15th July, in order to deliver Bartlette to camp
> in the Ardeche. And she needs to travel 1st class

If one insists on travelling 1st class then I think it unreasonable to
complain about the cost. Just try booking a cheap 1st (or business)
class air fare inside Europe and see how far you get.

tim
 

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