On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:56:01 -0700, "PTravel" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >"nitram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:45:02 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >> >DLenzner writes:
    >> >
    >> >> A friend told me there are buggy rides you can take which hopefully I
    >can
    >> >> do in lieu of walking about the whole place.
    >> >
    >> >There are, but you may still walk for several kilometres during the
    >> >course of the day. There's no way to avoid it. And around and in front
    >> >of the palace, it's largely on huge, well-worn cobblestones that are
    >> >almost guaranteed to sprain the ankle of anyone not wearing high-top
    >> >hiking boots.
    >> Very true! You can avoid that by entering via another entrance.
    >> >
    >> >> Then I plan to take a guided tour or two and an audio tour which
    >shouldn't
    >> >> be too much ...
    >> >
    >> >Even inside the palace, there's a lot of walking on the tours.
    >> and flights of stairs as AFAIR.
    >> >
    >> >> It's not possible for me to see the whole
    >> >> thing, I know, which is kind of disappointing, but I'm sure it will be
    >fun
    >> >> nonetheless.
    >> >
    >> >Versailles isn't as wonderful as it's made out to be, at least in my
    >> >opinion (and in the opinion of a significant number of other visitors).

See virtual tour below and judge for yourselves.

    >> The gardens were better than I expected.
    >> >The palace is mostly empty, for example, since almost all the furniture
    >> >it contained was sold during the Revolution.
    >> but the rooms are still worth seeing.
    >The Petite Trianon (and, if I recall correctly, the Grande Trianon) features
    >furnished rooms.

Yes. Photos here http://www.je-pars.com/versailles_4.htm

Virtual tour starts at http://www.je-pars.com/versailles_1.htm

In article <1gv8irf.16wondml7206pN%this_address_is_for_spam@y ahoo.com>,
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> In article <[email protected]>, Padraig
    >> Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> > [email protected] (Stanislas de Kertanguy) wrote:
    >> >
    >> > >Of course Fox is viewable in France!
    >> >
    >> > I don't find it viewable anywhere.
    >>
    >> Yet you have an opinion ?
    >Woosh!

Maybe it's viewable but not watchable!

Bill Moore <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <1gv8irf.16wondml7206pN%this_address_is_for_spam@y ahoo.com>,
    > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> In article <[email protected]>, Padraig
    > >> Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > [email protected] (Stanislas de Kertanguy) wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> > >Of course Fox is viewable in France!
    > >> >
    > >> > I don't find it viewable anywhere.
    > >>
    > >> Yet you have an opinion ?
    > >
    > >Woosh!
    >
    > Maybe it's viewable but not watchable!

Yup- that's certainly been my experience!

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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:12:30 +0200, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:56:01 -0700, "PTravel" <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >>"nitram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]. ..
    >>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:45:02 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>> >DLenzner writes:
    >>> >
    >>> >> A friend told me there are buggy rides you can take which hopefully I
    >>can
    >>> >> do in lieu of walking about the whole place.
    >>> >
    >>> >There are, but you may still walk for several kilometres during the
    >>> >course of the day. There's no way to avoid it. And around and in front
    >>> >of the palace, it's largely on huge, well-worn cobblestones that are
    >>> >almost guaranteed to sprain the ankle of anyone not wearing high-top
    >>> >hiking boots.
    >>> Very true! You can avoid that by entering via another entrance.
    >>> >
    >>> >> Then I plan to take a guided tour or two and an audio tour which
    >>shouldn't
    >>> >> be too much ...
    >>> >
    >>> >Even inside the palace, there's a lot of walking on the tours.
    >>> and flights of stairs as AFAIR.
    >>> >
    >>> >> It's not possible for me to see the whole
    >>> >> thing, I know, which is kind of disappointing, but I'm sure it will be
    >>fun
    >>> >> nonetheless.
    >>> >
    >>> >Versailles isn't as wonderful as it's made out to be, at least in my
    >>> >opinion (and in the opinion of a significant number of other visitors).
    >See virtual tour below and judge for yourselves.
    >>> The gardens were better than I expected.
    >>> >The palace is mostly empty, for example, since almost all the furniture
    >>> >it contained was sold during the Revolution.
    >>> but the rooms are still worth seeing.
    >>The Petite Trianon (and, if I recall correctly, the Grande Trianon) features
    >>furnished rooms.
    >Yes. Photos here http://www.je-pars.com/versailles_4.htm
    >Virtual tour starts at http://www.je-pars.com/versailles_1.htm

Thanks, you have saved me a visit there:)

Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Padraig
    >Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> [email protected] (Stanislas de Kertanguy) wrote:
    >>
    >> >Of course Fox is viewable in France!
    >>
    >> I don't find it viewable anywhere.
    >Yet you have an opinion ?
I have seen it; I don't find it viewable.

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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:20:39 GMT, Rita <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:12:30 +0200, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:56:01 -0700, "PTravel" <[email protected]>
    >>wrote:
    >>>"nitram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected] ...
    >>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:45:02 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>> >DLenzner writes:
    >>>> >
    >>>> >> A friend told me there are buggy rides you can take which hopefully I
    >>>can
    >>>> >> do in lieu of walking about the whole place.
    >>>> >
    >>>> >There are, but you may still walk for several kilometres during the
    >>>> >course of the day. There's no way to avoid it. And around and in front
    >>>> >of the palace, it's largely on huge, well-worn cobblestones that are
    >>>> >almost guaranteed to sprain the ankle of anyone not wearing high-top
    >>>> >hiking boots.
    >>>> Very true! You can avoid that by entering via another entrance.
    >>>> >
    >>>> >> Then I plan to take a guided tour or two and an audio tour which
    >>>shouldn't
    >>>> >> be too much ...
    >>>> >
    >>>> >Even inside the palace, there's a lot of walking on the tours.
    >>>> and flights of stairs as AFAIR.
    >>>> >
    >>>> >> It's not possible for me to see the whole
    >>>> >> thing, I know, which is kind of disappointing, but I'm sure it will be
    >>>fun
    >>>> >> nonetheless.
    >>>> >
    >>>> >Versailles isn't as wonderful as it's made out to be, at least in my
    >>>> >opinion (and in the opinion of a significant number of other visitors).
    >>See virtual tour below and judge for yourselves.
    >>>> The gardens were better than I expected.
    >>>> >The palace is mostly empty, for example, since almost all the furniture
    >>>> >it contained was sold during the Revolution.
    >>>> but the rooms are still worth seeing.
    >>>The Petite Trianon (and, if I recall correctly, the Grande Trianon) features
    >>>furnished rooms.
    >>Yes. Photos here http://www.je-pars.com/versailles_4.htm
    >>Virtual tour starts at http://www.je-pars.com/versailles_1.htm
    >Thanks, you have saved me a visit there:)

I was hoping it would make you enthusiastic for one. :-)

Don't go with Mixi.

Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >In article <[email protected]>, Padraig
    > >Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> [email protected] (Stanislas de Kertanguy) wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Of course Fox is viewable in France!
    > >>
    > >> I don't find it viewable anywhere.
    > >
    > >Yet you have an opinion ?
    > >
    > I have seen it; I don't find it viewable.

Looks like they reported, you decided!

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In article <[email protected]>,
Rita <[email protected]> wrote:
    >On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:12:30 +0200, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:56:01 -0700, "PTravel" <[email protected]>
    >>wrote:
    >>>"nitram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected] ...
    >>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:45:02 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>> >DLenzner writes:
    >>>> >
    >>>> >> A friend told me there are buggy rides you can take which hopefully I
    >>>can
    >>>> >> do in lieu of walking about the whole place.
    >>>> >
    >>>> >There are, but you may still walk for several kilometres during the
    >>>> >course of the day. There's no way to avoid it. And around and in front
    >>>> >of the palace, it's largely on huge, well-worn cobblestones that are
    >>>> >almost guaranteed to sprain the ankle of anyone not wearing high-top
    >>>> >hiking boots.
    >>>> Very true! You can avoid that by entering via another entrance.
    >>>> >
    >>>> >> Then I plan to take a guided tour or two and an audio tour which
    >>>shouldn't
    >>>> >> be too much ...
    >>>> >
    >>>> >Even inside the palace, there's a lot of walking on the tours.
    >>>> and flights of stairs as AFAIR.
    >>>> >
    >>>> >> It's not possible for me to see the whole
    >>>> >> thing, I know, which is kind of disappointing, but I'm sure it will be
    >>>fun
    >>>> >> nonetheless.
    >>>> >
    >>>> >Versailles isn't as wonderful as it's made out to be, at least in my
    >>>> >opinion (and in the opinion of a significant number of other visitors).
    >>See virtual tour below and judge for yourselves.
    >>>> The gardens were better than I expected.
    >>>> >The palace is mostly empty, for example, since almost all the furniture
    >>>> >it contained was sold during the Revolution.
    >>>> but the rooms are still worth seeing.
    >>>The Petite Trianon (and, if I recall correctly, the Grande Trianon) features
    >>>furnished rooms.
    >>Yes. Photos here http://www.je-pars.com/versailles_4.htm
    >>Virtual tour starts at http://www.je-pars.com/versailles_1.htm
    >Thanks, you have saved me a visit there:)

Maybe it should also be crossposted to the
"Is there any reason to travel to Europe anymore"
thread ;-)

Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Fox News has NO agreement with any France telecommunication Co.
    >
    > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77537,00.html

You're confusing a commercial agreement with a legal right to broadcast.
Since Fox News is broadcasted in EU countries, it is legally viewable in
France.

If no French providers want to show it, it's a question of commercial
policy.

Anyway, a French viewer interested in Fox News (one may think there are
few...) can tune to a foreign satellite that broadcasts it, or to Web TV
service if they have any. There are many TV satellites over EU space.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

    > DLenzner writes:
    >
    >
    >>A friend told me there are buggy rides you can take which hopefully I can
    >>do in lieu of walking about the whole place.
    >
    >
    > There are, but you may still walk for several kilometres during the
    > course of the day. There's no way to avoid it. And around and in front
    > of the palace, it's largely on huge, well-worn cobblestones that are
    > almost guaranteed to sprain the ankle of anyone not wearing high-top
    > hiking boots.

You DO go on about "hiking boots", Mixi! Not everyone finds
them as comfortable as you do. I, for one, find a soft,
moccasin-type shoe with a little arch cushioning much more
comfortable for walking than boots or "athletic" shoes. (And
in summer I prefer sandals with a cushioned footbed most
comfortable of all.)

Padraig Breathnach wrote:

    > [email protected] (Stanislas de Kertanguy) wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Of course Fox is viewable in France!
    >
    >
    > I don't find it viewable anywhere.

Amen!


    >

In article <1gv8o10.1exxcs6klto94N%stanislas.kertanguyde@lapo ste.net>,
Stanislas de Kertanguy <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Fox News has NO agreement with any France telecommunication Co.
    > >
    > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77537,00.html
    >
    > You're confusing a commercial agreement with a legal right to broadcast.

No, I'm not. Fox News has been trying for years to get their feed
native to France.

France has always kept a tight control over their TV airwaves... when
other major European cities had many TV channels... Paris had (3)
(1983). France is famous for its "bureaucracy" (of French origin) and
its controlling regulations. Incredibly, the government must license
reporters in France and some other EU countries.

This regulatory atmosphere, is part of the reason, the EU Central bank
just revised its projected growth rate down to 1.6%/year for the EU.

jay
Mon Apr 18, 2005
mailto:[email protected]





    > Since Fox News is broadcasted in EU countries, it is legally viewable in
    > France.
    >
    > If no French providers want to show it, it's a question of commercial
    > policy.
    >
    > Anyway, a French viewer interested in Fox News (one may think there are
    > few...) can tune to a foreign satellite that broadcasts it, or to Web TV
    > service if they have any. There are many TV satellites over EU space.

Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:

    > For example, a Lebanese TV - Al-Manar, which is the Hezbollah TV, got an
    > agreement in France, but it was left shortly after because of
    > anti-semitic shows. Satellite TV providers must then remove it from
    > their broadcast.
    >
    > Of course Fox is viewable in France!

Even if it is anti-Arab or anti-Muslim? The censors are very selective,
it seems.

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Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:

    > You're confusing a commercial agreement with a legal right to broadcast.

Perhaps because you said "agreement," and not "legal right to
broadcast."

    > Since Fox News is broadcasted in EU countries, it is legally viewable in
    > France.

It seems odd that one must get _approval_ to publish in France. So much
for the constitutional guarantee of freedom of the press, eh?

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Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:

    > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > > It's rather difficult to add an escalator to a station built near a
    > > > century ago ;-)
    > >
    > > It's a matter of available space, not age.
    >
    > I meant - but as usual you misunderstood - that station design was set
    > up a century ago and did not include escalators. They were added when
    > possible, and given the narrowess of the Paris metro tunnels and
    > stations, it was far from being possible everywhere.

So it's a matter of available space, not age, just as I said.

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