Mister Bartlett

Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <1i05ltx.1x0fr1fi087yuN%[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
> > T o be fair, he didn't say he didn't find anything on the internet, he
> > said he didn't find anything, period. Maybe he was looking in the frozen
> > foods section at Lidl, in which case his claim is quite plausible.
>
> Take a poll and check how many people who haven't yet been to Greece
> have ever heard of the temple of Apollo Epicurius at Bassae.

If you want to compare yourself to hoi polloi, then I'm sure you will
come out ahead. If that's what you want.

But the question was simply how much information there is available on
the temple, once you're aware that it exists; and the larger issue of
whether it is worth visiting.

As I've said before, I really find your website valuable, so I'm a bit
puzzled by your myopia on this issue.

B;


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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:09:10 +0200, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett) wrote:

>Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <1i05ltx.1x0fr1fi087yuN%[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> says...
>> > T o be fair, he didn't say he didn't find anything on the internet, he
>> > said he didn't find anything, period. Maybe he was looking in the frozen
>> > foods section at Lidl, in which case his claim is quite plausible.
>>
>> Take a poll and check how many people who haven't yet been to Greece
>> have ever heard of the temple of Apollo Epicurius at Bassae.
>
>If you want to compare yourself to hoi polloi, then I'm sure you will
>come out ahead. If that's what you want.
>
>But the question was simply how much information there is available on
>the temple, once you're aware that it exists; and the larger issue of
>whether it is worth visiting.
>
>As I've said before, I really find your website valuable, so I'm a bit
>puzzled by your myopia on this issue.

To be honest, before Alfred's welcome publicity, the nearest we got to knowing
about Apollo Epicurius at Bassae is my wife's claim that she once saw a road
sign pointing to it, somewhere near Olympia. Odd that she forgot seeing the
whole side of a valley on fire on the same trip, I must have been distracted by
the flames and worrying about being cremated.
--

Martin

-Magda

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:50:12 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:42:45 +0200, Alfred Molon <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
... >In article <1i05ltx.1x0fr1fi087yuN%[email protected]>, [email protected]
... >says...
... >> T o be fair, he didn't say he didn't find anything on the internet, he
... >> said he didn't find anything, period. Maybe he was looking in the frozen
... >> foods section at Lidl, in which case his claim is quite plausible.
... >
... >Take a poll and check how many people who haven't yet been to Greece
... >have ever heard of the temple of Apollo Epicurius at Bassae.
...
... A lot more than, before you went. :-)
...
... When we did a similar trip to yours we visited the major sites in week one and
... then spent the next week in the Cyclades. The total absence of Internet cafes in
... those days made more time available for tourism. You can overdose on ruins,
... museums and Internet IMO.

Sacrilege, Martin!

You can NEVER overdose on ruins and museums!!

-Magda

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:03:50 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:13:54 +0200, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
...
... >On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:59:31 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, Mustafa Sandal
... ><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On 22 Jun, 22:38, Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ... > In article <[email protected] .com>,
... > ... > [email protected] says...
... > ... >
... > ... > > we rilly wanna c those fotos!
... > ... >
... > ... > The ones of Greece? I shot 2000 images (lots of panoramics, where you
... > ... > combine 2-20+ images into one) and now have a backlog of 6500 images.
... > ... > Will take some time until I manage to reach the Greece ones.
... > ... > --
... > ... >
... > ... > Alfred Molonhttp://www.molon.de- Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe
... > ...
... > ... well its weekend !!
... >
... >He pushes prams on weekends.
...
... You push your luck most days

Eu nasci virada pra lua... )

-Martin

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:34:50 +0200, Magda <mags@de> wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:50:12 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:42:45 +0200, Alfred Molon <[email protected]>
> ... wrote:
> ...
> ... >In article <1i05ltx.1x0fr1fi087yuN%[email protected]>, [email protected]
> ... >says...
> ... >> T o be fair, he didn't say he didn't find anything on the internet, he
> ... >> said he didn't find anything, period. Maybe he was looking in the frozen
> ... >> foods section at Lidl, in which case his claim is quite plausible.
> ... >
> ... >Take a poll and check how many people who haven't yet been to Greece
> ... >have ever heard of the temple of Apollo Epicurius at Bassae.
> ...
> ... A lot more than, before you went. :-)
> ...
> ... When we did a similar trip to yours we visited the major sites in week one and
> ... then spent the next week in the Cyclades. The total absence of Internet cafes in
> ... those days made more time available for tourism. You can overdose on ruins,
> ... museums and Internet IMO.
>
>Sacrilege, Martin!
>
>You can NEVER overdose on ruins and museums!!

I can.
--

Martin

Mustafa Sandal

On 23 Jun, 10:13, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:59:31 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, Mustafa Sandal
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On 22 Jun, 22:38, Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... > In article <[email protected] .com>,
> ... > [email protected] says...
> ... >
> ... > > we rilly wanna c those fotos!
> ... >
> ... > The ones of Greece? I shot 2000 images (lots of panoramics, where you
> ... > combine 2-20+ images into one) and now have a backlog of 6500 images.
> ... > Will take some time until I manage to reach the Greece ones.
> ... > --
> ... >
> ... > Alfred Molonhttp://www.molon.de-Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe
> ...
> ... well its weekend !!
>
> He pushes prams on weekends.

perhaps his wife could them.....

Grusl

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:34:50 +0200, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:50:12 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin
>><[email protected]>
>>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>> ... When we did a similar trip to yours we visited the major sites in
>> week one and
>> ... then spent the next week in the Cyclades. The total absence of
>> Internet cafes in
>> ... those days made more time available for tourism. You can overdose on
>> ruins,
>> ... museums and Internet IMO.
>>
>>Sacrilege, Martin!
>>
>>You can NEVER overdose on ruins and museums!!
>
> I can.

You can max out on almost anything. I did after a week in Rome with a
friend who turned out to be some sort of eglisophile. Now they're like
Reagan's redwoods: "Seen one transept, seen 'em all."

Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore

Alfred Molon

In article <1i05qry.9tj2n457hd6tN%[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...

> If you want to compare yourself to hoi polloi, then I'm sure you will
> come out ahead. If that's what you want.
>
> But the question was simply how much information there is available on
> the temple, once you're aware that it exists; and the larger issue of
> whether it is worth visiting.
>
> As I've said before, I really find your website valuable, so I'm a bit
> puzzled by your myopia on this issue.

I don't understand your post. Before my trip to Greece I had never heard
of the Apollo Epicurius temple in Bassae. Found out just because I
checked the UNESCO world heritage list. What are you trying to say?

And yes, once you know of the temple and you look for information on the
web, there is sufficient of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassae
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

Alan S

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:34:50 +0200, Magda <mags@de> wrote:

>You can NEVER overdose on ruins and museums!!

My wife commented, when she saw the hill to climb to view
Karlstein, that she was "castled out". I understood - but I
still climbed the hill:-)

I must admit, I skipped past a lot of castles and museums in
later weeks that I would probably have stopped at in the
early stages. And I took photos of Neuschwanstein from the
distance as we drove past.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
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-Magda

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:22:33 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Alan S <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:34:50 +0200, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
...
... >You can NEVER overdose on ruins and museums!!
...
... My wife commented, when she saw the hill to climb to view
... Karlstein, that she was "castled out". I understood - but I
... still climbed the hill:-)
...
... I must admit, I skipped past a lot of castles and museums in
... later weeks that I would probably have stopped at in the
... early stages. And I took photos of Neuschwanstein from the
... distance as we drove past.
...
... Cheers, Alan, Australia

You guys make me sad.

Mister Bartlett

Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <1i05qry.9tj2n457hd6tN%[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>
> > If you want to compare yourself to hoi polloi, then I'm sure you will
> > come out ahead. If that's what you want.
> >
> > But the question was simply how much information there is available on
> > the temple, once you're aware that it exists; and the larger issue of
> > whether it is worth visiting.
> >
> > As I've said before, I really find your website valuable, so I'm a bit
> > puzzled by your myopia on this issue.
>
> I don't understand your post. Before my trip to Greece I had never heard
> of the Apollo Epicurius temple in Bassae. Found out just because I
> checked the UNESCO world heritage list. What are you trying to say?

You said:

>I intensively read about Greek
>history from the Bronze age to the modern age. [...] But I found
>nothing about the temple of Apollo Epicurius at Bassae

which suggests that you looked for stuff, but found nothing. Maybe it's
just a question of phrasing.

The more substantive point is whether it's worth visiting. If you want
to drive up on fast roads, and see something immediately accessible,
with a range of international foods for when you're done, then probably
not. If you know you are going, then I think it repays the time to read
up about the temple, what it looks like under the tent, how it was
constructed, and to experience those things over a reasonable stay. Then
you can go and have lunch in one of the nearby villages. I'm not trying
to be obnoxious - though it probably seems that way - but I really feel
that you can't expect to appreciate some of these places under the
conditions that you were travelling.

My 2 drachmae.

B;

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Alfred Molon

In article <1i068ih.5y4n2z1n8j657N%[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...

> You said:
>
> >I intensively read about Greek
> >history from the Bronze age to the modern age. [...] But I found
> >nothing about the temple of Apollo Epicurius at Bassae
>
> which suggests that you looked for stuff, but found nothing. Maybe it's
> just a question of phrasing.

If you specifically look for information about the temple in Bassae, you
will find it. But if you are simply reading about Greek history (I read
lots of articles in wikipedia and the sections in my two guidebooks),
you'll find no mention of the temple in Bassae. It's not listed there.

For instance I read a lot about the battle in Thermopilae and the
Persian wars, went deep into the Doric invasion (which probably wasn't
an invasion), read about the Greek independence war, the Byzantine
period, tried to understand why suddenly Greece ceased to exist (they
sort of went into decline after Alexander and were then conquered by
Rome), looked for an answer to the question why Athens has so few
historic sights (the only ones are those from ancient Greece; the answer
is that Athens stopped being an important place by the Roman time and
already in Byzantine times was an unimportant provincial city). And so
on... In all this reading, nowhere the temple in Bassae was mentioned.
Go figure.

> The more substantive point is whether it's worth visiting. If you want
> to drive up on fast roads, and see something immediately accessible,
> with a range of international foods for when you're done, then probably
> not. If you know you are going, then I think it repays the time to read
> up about the temple, what it looks like under the tent, how it was
> constructed, and to experience those things over a reasonable stay. Then
> you can go and have lunch in one of the nearby villages. I'm not trying
> to be obnoxious - though it probably seems that way - but I really feel
> that you can't expect to appreciate some of these places under the
> conditions that you were travelling.

Well, in all my trips I have never had the ambition to be the perfect
traveller. To a certain extent I let myself surprise by the new places I
visit. I don't do a deep, thorough analysis of each place I will visit
before visiting it.

Regarding the temple in Bassae I chose it as a destination because it
was on the UNESCO list and in the right area (the Peloponnese).
Estimated that it would be easily accessible from Olympia, so that we
could do Olympia in the morning, drive to Bassae, visit the temple and
arrive comfortably in Gialova in the late afternoon or evening.
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

-Martin

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:51:12 +0200, Alfred Molon <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <1i068ih.5y4n2z1n8j657N%[email protected]>, [email protected]
>says...
>
>> You said:
>>
>> >I intensively read about Greek
>> >history from the Bronze age to the modern age. [...] But I found
>> >nothing about the temple of Apollo Epicurius at Bassae
>>
>> which suggests that you looked for stuff, but found nothing. Maybe it's
>> just a question of phrasing.
>
>If you specifically look for information about the temple in Bassae, you
>will find it. But if you are simply reading about Greek history (I read
>lots of articles in wikipedia and the sections in my two guidebooks),
>you'll find no mention of the temple in Bassae. It's not listed there.
>
>For instance I read a lot about the battle in Thermopilae and the
>Persian wars, went deep into the Doric invasion (which probably wasn't
>an invasion), read about the Greek independence war, the Byzantine
>period, tried to understand why suddenly Greece ceased to exist (they
>sort of went into decline after Alexander and were then conquered by
>Rome), looked for an answer to the question why Athens has so few
>historic sights (the only ones are those from ancient Greece; the answer
>is that Athens stopped being an important place by the Roman time and
>already in Byzantine times was an unimportant provincial city). And so
>on... In all this reading, nowhere the temple in Bassae was mentioned.
>Go figure.
>
>> The more substantive point is whether it's worth visiting. If you want
>> to drive up on fast roads, and see something immediately accessible,
>> with a range of international foods for when you're done, then probably
>> not. If you know you are going, then I think it repays the time to read
>> up about the temple, what it looks like under the tent, how it was
>> constructed, and to experience those things over a reasonable stay. Then
>> you can go and have lunch in one of the nearby villages. I'm not trying
>> to be obnoxious - though it probably seems that way - but I really feel
>> that you can't expect to appreciate some of these places under the
>> conditions that you were travelling.
>
>Well, in all my trips I have never had the ambition to be the perfect
>traveller. To a certain extent I let myself surprise by the new places I
>visit. I don't do a deep, thorough analysis of each place I will visit
>before visiting it.
>
>Regarding the temple in Bassae I chose it as a destination because it
>was on the UNESCO list and in the right area (the Peloponnese).
>Estimated that it would be easily accessible from Olympia, so that we
>could do Olympia in the morning, drive to Bassae, visit the temple and
>arrive comfortably in Gialova in the late afternoon or evening.

Did you miss Nestor's Palace and his wife's bath? It's on a hill quite close to
Gialova.
--

Martin

Alfred Molon

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected]lid says...

> Did you miss Nestor's Palace and his wife's bath? It's on a hill quite close to
> Gialova.

Is it that kind of fort overlooking the Voidokilia beach? I went to the
archaeological site near the beach (not much left there).
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

-Martin

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:41:42 +0200, Alfred Molon <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>
>> Did you miss Nestor's Palace and his wife's bath? It's on a hill quite close to
>> Gialova.
>
>Is it that kind of fort overlooking the Voidokilia beach? I went to the
>archaeological site near the beach (not much left there).

No. It's about 5-10 km from the beach. It's where the Linea B tablets were
found.

Map here
http://www.inside-mani-travel.com/gr...SINIA-blue.jpg

Pictures here
http://cybergeorge.net/GreeceFall200...06/Palace.html
http://www.inside-mani-travel.com/messiniainfo.html
http://www.greecetravel.com/pelopone...1_jpg_view.htm
--

Martin