GPS and Europe
Apr 1st 2002 | 5:06 pm
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Re: GPS and Europe
On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:44:17 GMT, "Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"R J Carpenter" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>> There is a POTENTIAL for interference.
>
>No more so than the potential from wearing a quartz watch.
The frequencies generated in a quartz watch are quite different than the local
oscillator frequencies in your typical superhet receiver that your comment is jsut
plain silly.
>> Since, like most consumer electronics, most GPS receivers are made in the Far
>> East ...
>
>Are they? I belive both Garmin and Magellan make their receivers in the U.S.
Do they constitute "most"?
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>"R J Carpenter" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>> There is a POTENTIAL for interference.
>
>No more so than the potential from wearing a quartz watch.
The frequencies generated in a quartz watch are quite different than the local
oscillator frequencies in your typical superhet receiver that your comment is jsut
plain silly.
>> Since, like most consumer electronics, most GPS receivers are made in the Far
>> East ...
>
>Are they? I belive both Garmin and Magellan make their receivers in the U.S.
Do they constitute "most"?
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Apr 1st 2002 | 5:06 pm
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Re: GPS and Europe
On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:30:38 GMT, "Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>> Yes....... and ???
>
>It simplifies travel by telling you where you are and where you are going.
"No matter where ou go, there you are"
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>"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>> Yes....... and ???
>
>It simplifies travel by telling you where you are and where you are going.
"No matter where ou go, there you are"
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Apr 1st 2002 | 7:35 pm
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Re: GPS and Europe
Just Joan <[email protected]> wrote:
: In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
:> A map doesn't tell you (with reasonable certainty) where you actually are.
: Rubbish. Stand on the corner of two streets, and you will know where you are on
: the map.
...if the streets have name signs and you can find both streets on the map. Neither
requirement is trivial.
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: In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
:> A map doesn't tell you (with reasonable certainty) where you actually are.
: Rubbish. Stand on the corner of two streets, and you will know where you are on
: the map.
...if the streets have name signs and you can find both streets on the map. Neither
requirement is trivial.
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Apr 1st 2002 | 8:05 pm
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Re: GPS and Europe
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> In my case there's a different question: Would the trip actually be any fun with
> such a device available? Half the enjoyment for me is exploring and finding my way
> around and learning how the place is put together. If it was going to turn into a
> video game I could just stay home and play Pacman.
I'm with you on that one.
Just Joan
> In my case there's a different question: Would the trip actually be any fun with
> such a device available? Half the enjoyment for me is exploring and finding my way
> around and learning how the place is put together. If it was going to turn into a
> video game I could just stay home and play Pacman.
I'm with you on that one.
Just Joan
Apr 1st 2002 | 9:38 pm
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Re: GPS and Europe
Hi
I was describing the future developments using GPS technology.
The various examples use GPS, PC and mobile phone technology.
The satellites also cover global phone communication now.
Another I picked up recently is that a UK insurer is offering an insurance policy based on kms covered, monitored by GPS and telemetry.
Peter
I was describing the future developments using GPS technology.
The various examples use GPS, PC and mobile phone technology.
The satellites also cover global phone communication now.
Another I picked up recently is that a UK insurer is offering an insurance policy based on kms covered, monitored by GPS and telemetry.
Peter
Apr 1st 2002 | 10:35 pm
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Re: GPS and Europe
Hatunen wrote:
>
> On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:44:17 GMT, "Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"R J Carpenter" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
> >[email protected]...
> >> Since, like most consumer electronics, most GPS receivers are made in the Far
> >> East ...
> >
> >Are they? I belive both Garmin and Magellan make their receivers in the U.S.
>
> Do they constitute "most"?
I think that you will find that Garmin sells more consumer GPS receivers than anyone
else. Maybe more than EVERYONE else. All Garmin receivers I've looked at have been
made in Taiwan.
>
> On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:44:17 GMT, "Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"R J Carpenter" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
> >[email protected]...
> >> Since, like most consumer electronics, most GPS receivers are made in the Far
> >> East ...
> >
> >Are they? I belive both Garmin and Magellan make their receivers in the U.S.
>
> Do they constitute "most"?
I think that you will find that Garmin sells more consumer GPS receivers than anyone
else. Maybe more than EVERYONE else. All Garmin receivers I've looked at have been
made in Taiwan.
Apr 2nd 2002 | 12:09 am
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Re: GPS and Europe
> > In my case there's a different question: Would the trip actually be any
fun
> > with such a device available? Half the enjoyment for me is exploring and finding
> > my way around and learning how the place is put together. If it
was
> > going to turn into a video game I could just stay home and play Pacman.
>
OK, my 2cents. Used a GPS in the Lot region of France about 3 years ago. We also like
to explore, especially road that are not on our maps. We always knew the direction to
"Home" and the direction we were traveling. we had less worries about getting totally
lost. We had to pick a relative up at Tulouse at
11:30 pm, 1 1/2 hours drive. Used the GPS to get back to our farmhouse which was on a
"dirt" road, not any of our maps and unsigned without any missed turns in the
dark. Doug. .
fun
> > with such a device available? Half the enjoyment for me is exploring and finding
> > my way around and learning how the place is put together. If it
was
> > going to turn into a video game I could just stay home and play Pacman.
>
OK, my 2cents. Used a GPS in the Lot region of France about 3 years ago. We also like
to explore, especially road that are not on our maps. We always knew the direction to
"Home" and the direction we were traveling. we had less worries about getting totally
lost. We had to pick a relative up at Tulouse at
11:30 pm, 1 1/2 hours drive. Used the GPS to get back to our farmhouse which was on a
"dirt" road, not any of our maps and unsigned without any missed turns in the
dark. Doug. .
Apr 2nd 2002 | 1:36 am
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Re: GPS and Europe
[email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>. ..
> me <[email protected]> wrote:
> > As an extensive user (and collector actually) of maps, I think I can answer this
> > question. A GOOD GPS based mapping system could be of extensive use. I havent'
> > found one yet that is but I've really only started looking. Basically you need
> > something of a hand held size that will report your current location, show your
> > intended destination, and give enough detail to decipher street names in your
> > immediate area. And of course then there is the problem of accuracy and down
> > right functionality in an area with tall buildings and reflected satellite
> > signals.
>
> In my case there's a different question: Would the trip actually be any fun with
> such a device available? Half the enjoyment for me is exploring and finding my way
> around and learning how the place is put together. If it was going to turn into a
> video game I could just stay home and play Pacman.
If your going to use a map, then an "electronic" one provided by GPS could only
improve on this. There are times I just stick the map in my pocket and wander
around. At those times I could just turn off the GPS unit. When I'm trying to get
someplace on time, or have just arrived jet lagged and are merely trying to get
to my hotel, I'm probably not interested in a orienteering drill.
news:<[email protected]>. ..
> me <[email protected]> wrote:
> > As an extensive user (and collector actually) of maps, I think I can answer this
> > question. A GOOD GPS based mapping system could be of extensive use. I havent'
> > found one yet that is but I've really only started looking. Basically you need
> > something of a hand held size that will report your current location, show your
> > intended destination, and give enough detail to decipher street names in your
> > immediate area. And of course then there is the problem of accuracy and down
> > right functionality in an area with tall buildings and reflected satellite
> > signals.
>
> In my case there's a different question: Would the trip actually be any fun with
> such a device available? Half the enjoyment for me is exploring and finding my way
> around and learning how the place is put together. If it was going to turn into a
> video game I could just stay home and play Pacman.
If your going to use a map, then an "electronic" one provided by GPS could only
improve on this. There are times I just stick the map in my pocket and wander
around. At those times I could just turn off the GPS unit. When I'm trying to get
someplace on time, or have just arrived jet lagged and are merely trying to get
to my hotel, I'm probably not interested in a orienteering drill.
Apr 2nd 2002 | 2:05 am
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Re: GPS and Europe
On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:30:02 -0500, R J Carpenter <[email protected]> wrote:
>Seriously, I rather doubt there is much benefit to GPS within a city.
It's great when it's time to return to the hotel. Just turn the GPS on and follow
the arrow.
--
Ask me for directions.
>Seriously, I rather doubt there is much benefit to GPS within a city.
It's great when it's time to return to the hotel. Just turn the GPS on and follow
the arrow.
--
Ask me for directions.
Apr 2nd 2002 | 2:37 am
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Re: Best City Maps: Brand Names (was Re: GPS and Europe
Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected] >,
> [email protected] (me) wrote:
>
> > As an extensive user (and collector actually) of maps,
>
> I cant remember the actual name... but the little red book of Paris I found to be
> the best of all the city maps I used...small... good index and transportation too.
>
> Whats your favorite city map ? (I need a good one for London)
In what context? I have a "London A-Z which is very good, but it is a "book"
with pages. Very good for planning but kinda a pain for walking around.
Streetwise is good in London for the main areas, don't try to go to far afield
of the tourist regions.
>
> I think "Streetwise" maps are good... but their index is poor, but for the average
> tourist I give them high marks (http://www.streetwisemaps.com/).
And they hold up well because of their lamination. There is no overlap between
the folds so if you are walking "near the fold" it can be difficult. But they fit
in the back pocket well. They tend to have small print as well which can make
deciphering a pain. This is especially true in London where the street names
change frequently and what appears to the uninitiated to be randomly.
In the states, in large cities, if I'm not using a Streetwise, I'll tend to just
get one of the street maps intended for auto use. They are usually about $8 and
available at most gas stations. They are big, and wear out in about a week of
sticking them in my back pocket, but they can be folded ALOT in many different
ways to keep it open to the area of interest. I also tend to keep the maps that
rental car places hand out. They usually have at least a good overview of the
city and main routes. The hardest thing to find is a good combination of
subway/surface street maps. You can usually find good subway maps, or good street
maps, but not both. This ends up requiring one to hold two maps to figure out how
to get from A to B. Oh, yes, they'll have street maps showing all of the
stations, but what they won't show is the various "lines" to indicate where you
can go from those stations, either directly, or by connection and where. The
subway system hands out a pretty good subway map that shows some surface streets,
but it isn't a good surface street map.
news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected] >,
> [email protected] (me) wrote:
>
> > As an extensive user (and collector actually) of maps,
>
> I cant remember the actual name... but the little red book of Paris I found to be
> the best of all the city maps I used...small... good index and transportation too.
>
> Whats your favorite city map ? (I need a good one for London)
In what context? I have a "London A-Z which is very good, but it is a "book"
with pages. Very good for planning but kinda a pain for walking around.
Streetwise is good in London for the main areas, don't try to go to far afield
of the tourist regions.
>
> I think "Streetwise" maps are good... but their index is poor, but for the average
> tourist I give them high marks (http://www.streetwisemaps.com/).
And they hold up well because of their lamination. There is no overlap between
the folds so if you are walking "near the fold" it can be difficult. But they fit
in the back pocket well. They tend to have small print as well which can make
deciphering a pain. This is especially true in London where the street names
change frequently and what appears to the uninitiated to be randomly.
In the states, in large cities, if I'm not using a Streetwise, I'll tend to just
get one of the street maps intended for auto use. They are usually about $8 and
available at most gas stations. They are big, and wear out in about a week of
sticking them in my back pocket, but they can be folded ALOT in many different
ways to keep it open to the area of interest. I also tend to keep the maps that
rental car places hand out. They usually have at least a good overview of the
city and main routes. The hardest thing to find is a good combination of
subway/surface street maps. You can usually find good subway maps, or good street
maps, but not both. This ends up requiring one to hold two maps to figure out how
to get from A to B. Oh, yes, they'll have street maps showing all of the
stations, but what they won't show is the various "lines" to indicate where you
can go from those stations, either directly, or by connection and where. The
subway system hands out a pretty good subway map that shows some surface streets,
but it isn't a good surface street map.
Apr 2nd 2002 | 4:06 am
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Re: GPS and Europe
On Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:30:34 GMT, [email protected] (Jesper
Lauridsen) wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:30:02 -0500, R J Carpenter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Seriously, I rather doubt there is much benefit to GPS within a city.
>
>It's great when it's time to return to the hotel. Just turn the GPS on and follow
>the arrow.
That will, of course, assure that you make no wrong turns into interesting
neighborhoods. One of the pleasures in cities like London, San Francisco or Paris, or
any number of others, is occasionally getting briefly lost.
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Lauridsen) wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:30:02 -0500, R J Carpenter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Seriously, I rather doubt there is much benefit to GPS within a city.
>
>It's great when it's time to return to the hotel. Just turn the GPS on and follow
>the arrow.
That will, of course, assure that you make no wrong turns into interesting
neighborhoods. One of the pleasures in cities like London, San Francisco or Paris, or
any number of others, is occasionally getting briefly lost.
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Apr 2nd 2002 | 4:06 am
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Re: GPS and Europe
Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just Joan <[email protected]> wrote:
> : In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> :> A map doesn't tell you (with reasonable certainty) where you actually are.
> : Rubbish. Stand on the corner of two streets, and you will know where you are on
> : the map.
> ...if the streets have name signs and you can find both streets on the map.
> Neither requirement is trivial.
In my experience, the first requirement is indeed trivial in most cities (yes, there
are exceptions, but they are -- as the word suggests -- 'exceptions'). If you have an
adequate map and even a vague idea of your location, then the second should be no
problem either.
The only time I've ever had any trouble was once when I walked the wrong way out of
the subway in Rome, and realized that I'd walked completely out of the area covered
by the map I was carrying. Even then, a quick stop in a cafe for directions solved
the problem -- and the espresso, at something like LIT 500, was far below the cost of
any GPS system.
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> Just Joan <[email protected]> wrote:
> : In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> :> A map doesn't tell you (with reasonable certainty) where you actually are.
> : Rubbish. Stand on the corner of two streets, and you will know where you are on
> : the map.
> ...if the streets have name signs and you can find both streets on the map.
> Neither requirement is trivial.
In my experience, the first requirement is indeed trivial in most cities (yes, there
are exceptions, but they are -- as the word suggests -- 'exceptions'). If you have an
adequate map and even a vague idea of your location, then the second should be no
problem either.
The only time I've ever had any trouble was once when I walked the wrong way out of
the subway in Rome, and realized that I'd walked completely out of the area covered
by the map I was carrying. Even then, a quick stop in a cafe for directions solved
the problem -- and the espresso, at something like LIT 500, was far below the cost of
any GPS system.
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Apr 2nd 2002 | 9:42 am
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Re: GPS and Europe
"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> Receivers create secondary harmonic emissions that certainly may interfere with
> other radio communication.
GPS receivers do not create enough interference to bother avionics or aircraft radio.
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> Receivers create secondary harmonic emissions that certainly may interfere with
> other radio communication.
GPS receivers do not create enough interference to bother avionics or aircraft radio.
Apr 2nd 2002 | 9:42 am
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Re: GPS and Europe
"R J Carpenter" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> If there is enough leakage on the wrong frequency, it can affect other aircraft
> radio equipment.
It could, but it doesn't. I don't actually know if GPS receivers heterodyne or not,
but either way, they don't interfere with avionics.
[email protected]...
> If there is enough leakage on the wrong frequency, it can affect other aircraft
> radio equipment.
It could, but it doesn't. I don't actually know if GPS receivers heterodyne or not,
but either way, they don't interfere with avionics.
Apr 2nd 2002 | 9:42 am
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"Jesper Lauridsen" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> It's great when it's time to return to the hotel. Just turn the GPS on and follow
> the arrow.
Exactly.
In the days before I had a GPS, I used to like to go for random drives in the
countryside. Unfortunately, it was easy to lose track of where I was, and where I was
going (overcast days made it even worse, since sun direction didn't help). It would
get dark and I would wander endlessly, looking for the way back home, and very tired
by then. A map didn't help because I didn't know where I was. All the little country
roads looked the same, and I'm sure I went in circles on many occasions.
Then I got a GPS. No longer any doubt about where I am, or where I'm going. The GPS
has _never_ failed to pinpoint my location; it can direct me back to the very same
parking space in many cases. I wander wherever I wish to go, for as far as I wish to
go, and when I get tired, I follow the arrow to return home. It works great. I can
also enter coordinates of places I want to go (I used to get them from MapBlast, but
they no longer offer longitude and latitude for non-US locations), and just follow
the arrow to reach them, even over hundreds of kilometers. And I can memorize any
location and return there again at any time. And I always know which direction I'm
driving in, and how fast I am _really_ going.
[email protected]...
> It's great when it's time to return to the hotel. Just turn the GPS on and follow
> the arrow.
Exactly.
In the days before I had a GPS, I used to like to go for random drives in the
countryside. Unfortunately, it was easy to lose track of where I was, and where I was
going (overcast days made it even worse, since sun direction didn't help). It would
get dark and I would wander endlessly, looking for the way back home, and very tired
by then. A map didn't help because I didn't know where I was. All the little country
roads looked the same, and I'm sure I went in circles on many occasions.
Then I got a GPS. No longer any doubt about where I am, or where I'm going. The GPS
has _never_ failed to pinpoint my location; it can direct me back to the very same
parking space in many cases. I wander wherever I wish to go, for as far as I wish to
go, and when I get tired, I follow the arrow to return home. It works great. I can
also enter coordinates of places I want to go (I used to get them from MapBlast, but
they no longer offer longitude and latitude for non-US locations), and just follow
the arrow to reach them, even over hundreds of kilometers. And I can memorize any
location and return there again at any time. And I always know which direction I'm
driving in, and how fast I am _really_ going.
