In article <[email protected]>,
poldy <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected] .com>,
    > "erik" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > I'd love to view the entire city and country, however, that's not a
    > > possibility. I don't plan on spending a full week just looking at
    > > museums. We want to go to a cabaret or Moulin Rouge.
    >
    >
    > I heard the Moulin Rouge isn't worth looking at.

and it ain't cheap.

jay
Wed Oct 19, 2005
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    > Certainly there is
    > other night life and shows if that's what you're interested in.
    >
    > Forget the URL but there is an official Paris tourism office site.
    >
    > Also of course, recent guidebooks and their web sites (Lonely Planet,
    > Fodor's, etc.) should have some night club listings.

In article <[email protected]>,
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Timothy Kroesen writes:
    >
    > > That could work too; but I found no trouble spending nearly Six Hours in
    > > the d'Orsay... Van Gogh calls out for more than a passing glance to me!
    >
    > I've taken visitors through the Orsay Museum in as little as half an
    > hour when pressed for time.

And pay full ticket price?

poldy writes:

    > And pay full ticket price?

Yes.

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poldy wrote:
    > In article <[email protected] .com>,
    > "erik" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > I'd love to view the entire city and country, however, that's not a
    > > possibility. I don't plan on spending a full week just looking at
    > > museums. We want to go to a cabaret or Moulin Rouge.
    > I heard the Moulin Rouge isn't worth looking at. Certainly there is
    > other night life and shows if that's what you're interested in.
    > Forget the URL but there is an official Paris tourism office site.
    > Also of course, recent guidebooks and their web sites (Lonely Planet,
    > Fodor's, etc.) should have some night club listings.

The Lido has a much better show than the Moulin Rouge or Folies
Bergere,but Moulin has the history and a few pics outside of their red
windmill at night would be good enough.Just beware on Pigalle of
pickpockets that walk behind you and "accidently" step on the back of
your shoes.Happened to me last month and knew right away what he
intended so pushed him away and walked across the street.
DK Eyewitness books are my staples in every city and country.

poldy wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Timothy Kroesen wrote:
    > >
    > > > The Louvre is great but if you only want to spend one day in a Paris
    > > > museum consider the d' Orsay instead.
    > > >
    > >
    > > Musee d'Orsay is great, and it probably has more of interest for the average
    > > person that the Louvre. The latter is more for people who have studied art
    > > history. However, if I had only one day in Paris I don't think that I would
    > > be spending it in a museum or gallery. I would spend the day just walking
    > > around the city, or maybe take a tour.
    > >
    > > Personally, I would not recommend going to Paris for just one day. There is
    > > just to much to see and do. I always figure a minimum of four days in Paris.
    > Louvre is everything from antiquities to the 19th century.
    > D'Orsay is from about the mid-19th century through the Impressionists.
    > Beaubourg is after that and including contemporary art.
    > So choose by the type of art you like, if you like art.


The Pompideau center also has modern art and the building is modern art
as well.
Plus it had guys with guitars sitting outside singing Hotel California
reggae-style and performance artists painted in silver posing for
tourists.

poldy wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Timothy Kroesen writes:
    > >
    > > > That could work too; but I found no trouble spending nearly Six Hours in
    > > > the d'Orsay... Van Gogh calls out for more than a passing glance to me!
    > >
    > > I've taken visitors through the Orsay Museum in as little as half an
    > > hour when pressed for time.
    > And pay full ticket price?

That was more than enough time to tell them everything he knows :-)

luckym <[email protected]> wrote:

    > poldy wrote:

    > > Beaubourg is after that and including contemporary art.
    > >
    > > So choose by the type of art you like, if you like art.
    >
    >
    > The Pompideau center also has modern art and the building is modern art
    > as well.

Pompidou Ctr == Beabourg


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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:12:11 -0400, Dave Smith
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >poldy wrote:
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> > Timothy Kroesen writes:
    >> >
    >> > > That could work too; but I found no trouble spending nearly Six Hours in
    >> > > the d'Orsay... Van Gogh calls out for more than a passing glance to me!
    >> >
    >> > I've taken visitors through the Orsay Museum in as little as half an
    >> > hour when pressed for time.
    >> And pay full ticket price?
    >That was more than enough time to tell them everything he knows :-)

and solicit for tips.

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poldy <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Timothy Kroesen writes:
    > >
    > > > That could work too; but I found no trouble spending nearly Six Hours in
    > > > the d'Orsay... Van Gogh calls out for more than a passing glance to me!
    > >
    > > I've taken visitors through the Orsay Museum in as little as half an
    > > hour when pressed for time.
    >
    > And pay full ticket price?

That's the problem- many people want to 'get their money's worth.' I
frequently pop into some of the free museums and galleries in the UK for
a half hour or so- the point is I only have a look at a very few works,
enjoy them for a while, then leave. A favourite is the National Gallery
in London which has a couple of Vermeers I'm fond of. Even one local to
me, the Manchester Art Gallery, has some work I like a lot, and I'll pop
in for 15-30 minutes when I pass to have a look at a few of them. I
enjoy visual art, but I find the large famous galleries in various
cities across Europe and further afield, while wonderful, quite
exhausting and with simply too many fine works to enjoy in one visit.
Better to limit the scope- I usually decide to focus on particular parts
of a collection in a large gallery. Trying to see it all in one go, even
with a break for lunch, is rarely worthwhile IME. Slightly more focussed
collections are more digestible in one visit, but even then, I find I
reach a saturation point after a while. Depending on how fast you walk,
30 minutes in the Orsay would probably take you by most of the exhibits-
but I'm not sure I see the point in that.

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Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > In article <[email protected] .com>,
    > > "erik" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > I'd love to view the entire city and country, however, that's not a
    > > > possibility. I don't plan on spending a full week just looking at
    > > > museums. We want to go to a cabaret or Moulin Rouge.
    > >
    > >
    > > I heard the Moulin Rouge isn't worth looking at.
    >
    > and it ain't cheap.

Funny- it's been free whenever I've looked at it! :)

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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:00:10 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:

    >poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> > Timothy Kroesen writes:
    >> >
    >> > > That could work too; but I found no trouble spending nearly Six Hours in
    >> > > the d'Orsay... Van Gogh calls out for more than a passing glance to me!
    >> >
    >> > I've taken visitors through the Orsay Museum in as little as half an
    >> > hour when pressed for time.
    >>
    >> And pay full ticket price?
    >That's the problem- many people want to 'get their money's worth.' I
    >frequently pop into some of the free museums and galleries in the UK for
    >a half hour or so- the point is I only have a look at a very few works,
    >enjoy them for a while, then leave. A favourite is the National Gallery
    >in London which has a couple of Vermeers I'm fond of. Even one local to
    >me, the Manchester Art Gallery, has some work I like a lot, and I'll pop
    >in for 15-30 minutes when I pass to have a look at a few of them. I
    >enjoy visual art, but I find the large famous galleries in various
    >cities across Europe and further afield, while wonderful, quite
    >exhausting and with simply too many fine works to enjoy in one visit.
    >Better to limit the scope- I usually decide to focus on particular parts
    >of a collection in a large gallery. Trying to see it all in one go, even
    >with a break for lunch, is rarely worthwhile IME. Slightly more focussed
    >collections are more digestible in one visit, but even then, I find I
    >reach a saturation point after a while. Depending on how fast you walk,
    >30 minutes in the Orsay would probably take you by most of the exhibits-
    >but I'm not sure I see the point in that.

Makes sense - on my one and only visit to the Prado in Madrid, I
limited myself to Velazquez, Bosch and Breughel. (What was surprising
was how small the Dutch/Flemish paintings were).

Similarly, some of the tours I've worked on with local guides in
Amsterdam spend about an hour in the Rijksmuseum - time enough for the
guides to talk about what's special about the Dutch Masters and to
explain some of the symbolism. They talk in detail about 10 paintings.

If I guide in cathedrals such as Bristol or Wells, I also don't spend
more than an hour. I'll choose some features to point out and leave
the rest for people to marvel at on their own.



Keith, Bristol, UK

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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:43:17 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
<[email protected]>

    >Timothy Kroesen writes:
    >> That could work too; but I found no trouble spending nearly Six Hours in
    >> the d'Orsay... Van Gogh calls out for more than a passing glance to me!
    >I've taken visitors through the Orsay Museum in as little as half an
    >hour when pressed for time.

My wife is a musee-d'orsay-ista. Her visits are usually ended when the guard
says "Pardon, madame, sortie s'il vous plait..." (did I spell that right?)


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Frank Clarke <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:43:17 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    > wrote: <[email protected]>
    >
    >>Timothy Kroesen writes:
    >>> That could work too; but I found no trouble spending nearly Six
    >>> Hours in the d'Orsay... Van Gogh calls out for more than a passing
    >>> glance to me!
    >>I've taken visitors through the Orsay Museum in as little as half an
    >>hour when pressed for time.
    >
    > My wife is a musee-d'orsay-ista. Her visits are usually ended when
    > the guard says "Pardon, madame, sortie s'il vous plait..." (did I
    > spell that right?)
    >
    >
    > (change Arabic number to Roman numeral to email)
    >


did anyone notice that they changed the museum back to a train station
(via studio magic) for the movie A Very Long Engagement?

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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:00:10 +0100, [email protected]
    > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    > offy) wrote:
    >
    > >poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> In article <[email protected]>,
    > >> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > Timothy Kroesen writes:
    > >> >
    > >> > > That could work too; but I found no trouble spending nearly Six
    > >> > > Hours in the d'Orsay... Van Gogh calls out for more than a passing
    > >> > > glance to me!
    > >> >
    > >> > I've taken visitors through the Orsay Museum in as little as half an
    > >> > hour when pressed for time.
    > >>
    > >> And pay full ticket price?
    > >
    > >That's the problem- many people want to 'get their money's worth.' I
    > >frequently pop into some of the free museums and galleries in the UK for
    > >a half hour or so- the point is I only have a look at a very few works,
    > >enjoy them for a while, then leave. A

Likewise. I have free access to the Louvre, and it's much more enjoyable
to drop in to look at some specific thing, have a a coffee, than it is
to trudge round corridors full of stuff doing your duty.

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poldy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Timothy Kroesen writes:
    >>
    >> > That could work too; but I found no trouble spending nearly Six
    >> > Hours in the d'Orsay... Van Gogh calls out for more than a passing
    >> > glance to me!
    >>
    >> I've taken visitors through the Orsay Museum in as little as half an
    >> hour when pressed for time.
    >
    > And pay full ticket price?


D'Orsay in 1/2hr??
That's scandalous. Better skip it than spend only 1/2 hr.