Jack May

"Beavis and Butt-Head" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I think auto travel will end in all cities around the world,
> especially in Europe and in Jerusalem, Israel.
>

All light rail transit will be shut down because it takes most of the money
required to greatly reduce CO2 transportation pollution and to make the
transition to alternative fuels for cars that won't produce CO2

Jack May

"Jacqueline" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3 Feb 2007 06:39:04 -0800, "Beavis and Butt-Head"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I think auto travel will end in all cities around the world,
>>especially in Europe and in Jerusalem, Israel.
>
> The US takes 25% of the pullution in the world! And they refuse to
> sign the Kyoto Protocol!!!!!!!!!!!

The estimates are that technology will allow the US to cut its CO2 emissions
by 60% to 80% . Kyoto with its mainly conservation and anti-technology
biases will be lucky to cut CO2 by more than a percent or two.

Deeply Filled Mortician

Let is be knownst that on Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:54:20 -0800, "Jack May"
<[email protected]> writted:

>
>"Jacqueline" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On 3 Feb 2007 06:39:04 -0800, "Beavis and Butt-Head"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I think auto travel will end in all cities around the world,
>>>especially in Europe and in Jerusalem, Israel.
>>
>> The US takes 25% of the pullution in the world! And they refuse to
>> sign the Kyoto Protocol!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>The estimates are that technology will allow the US to cut its CO2 emissions
>by 60% to 80% . Kyoto with its mainly conservation and anti-technology
>biases will be lucky to cut CO2 by more than a percent or two.

First sentence, bullshit. Second, about right.

What technology could possibly reduce CO2 emmisions that much?
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Kkt

"Jack May" <[email protected]> writes:

> "Jacqueline" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 3 Feb 2007 06:39:04 -0800, "Beavis and Butt-Head"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I think auto travel will end in all cities around the world,
> >>especially in Europe and in Jerusalem, Israel.
> >
> > The US takes 25% of the pullution in the world! And they refuse to
> > sign the Kyoto Protocol!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> The estimates are that technology will allow the US to cut its CO2 emissions
> by 60% to 80% . Kyoto with its mainly conservation and anti-technology
> biases will be lucky to cut CO2 by more than a percent or two.

Estimates by the technological optimists that thought we'd all be
flying jet packs by now.

-- Patrick

David Nebenzahl

Deeply Filled Mortician spake thus:

> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:54:20 -0800, "Jack May"
> <[email protected]> writted:
>
>>The estimates are that technology will allow the US to cut its CO2 emissions
>>by 60% to 80% . Kyoto with its mainly conservation and anti-technology
>>biases will be lucky to cut CO2 by more than a percent or two.
>
> First sentence, bullshit. Second, about right.
>
> What technology could possibly reduce CO2 emmisions that much?

Why, George Jetson personal flying cars with ITS, of course. Get with
the program!


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Bolwerk

David Nebenzahl wrote:
> Deeply Filled Mortician spake thus:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:54:20 -0800, "Jack May"
>> <[email protected]> writted:
>>
>>> The estimates are that technology will allow the US to cut its CO2
>>> emissions by 60% to 80% . Kyoto with its mainly conservation and
>>> anti-technology biases will be lucky to cut CO2 by more than a
>>> percent or two.
>>
>> First sentence, bullshit. Second, about right.
>>
>> What technology could possibly reduce CO2 emmisions that much?
>
> Why, George Jetson personal flying cars with ITS, of course. Get with
> the program!

Of course, if I remember my Saturday morning cartoons correctly, George
Jetson lived in a housing unit built *above* smog.

Jack May

"Deeply Filled Mortician" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:54:20 -0800, "Jack May"
> <[email protected]> writted:
>
>>
>>"Jacqueline" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On 3 Feb 2007 06:39:04 -0800, "Beavis and Butt-Head"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think auto travel will end in all cities around the world,
>>>>especially in Europe and in Jerusalem, Israel.
>>>
>>> The US takes 25% of the pullution in the world! And they refuse to
>>> sign the Kyoto Protocol!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>The estimates are that technology will allow the US to cut its CO2
>>emissions
>>by 60% to 80% . Kyoto with its mainly conservation and anti-technology
>>biases will be lucky to cut CO2 by more than a percent or two.
>
> First sentence, bullshit. Second, about right.
>
> What technology could possibly reduce CO2 emmisions that much?

The technology is things like genetic engineering to produce microbes that
turn cellulose waste into alcohol or hydrogen would possible be distributed
as metallic fuels which can store far more energy per cubic foot than
hydrogen by itself.

Nanosolar is producing quantum dot on thing plastics to make solar energy
far cheaper. Being funded by a lot money including the two guys that
started Google.

Of course nuclear is on going to be pushed heavily .

It is amazing what cant be done when very smart people are combined with
lots of money. Kyoto is missing those key ingredients.

Jack May

"Runge" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Good for a start : you think !

Interesting fact is that as driving increases, the pollution from
automobiles continues to drop rapidly
http://www.highways.org/Mar06-speaker-slideshows/Schwartz.ppt#15

The reason is that as cars are driven more, they wear out faster and are
replaced with newer cars. Pollution levels in cars is dropping quickly
with pollution technology in cars continues to improve quickly.

Of course even if people actually ever use transit very much, the pollution
levels would be higher because older cars with higher pollution levels would
not be replaced as quickly as now.


>
> "Beavis and Butt-Head" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
> news: [email protected]. com...
>> I think auto travel will end in all cities around the world,
>> especially in Europe and in Jerusalem, Israel.
>>
>
>

Jack May

"Joey Jolley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I stand by what I said. Soon all cities in the world will be car-free.

But who cares. You will probably be killed by gang members using transit
at the same time you are on board.

Bill Z.

"Jack May" <[email protected]> writes:

>
> It is amazing what cant be done when very smart people are combined with
> lots of money. Kyoto is missing those key ingredients.

Kyoto has both very smart people and a lot of money. You should visit
the place!

Seriously, trying to shorten the title of the agreement to just
"Kyoto" is just asking to be misunderstood. :-)

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Deeply Filled Mortician

Let is be knownst that on Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:43:31 -0800, "Jack May"
<[email protected]> writted:

>
>"Deeply Filled Mortician" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote
>in message news:[email protected]...
>> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:54:20 -0800, "Jack May"
>> <[email protected]> writted:
>>
>>>
>>>"Jacqueline" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>> On 3 Feb 2007 06:39:04 -0800, "Beavis and Butt-Head"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think auto travel will end in all cities around the world,
>>>>>especially in Europe and in Jerusalem, Israel.
>>>>
>>>> The US takes 25% of the pullution in the world! And they refuse to
>>>> sign the Kyoto Protocol!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>The estimates are that technology will allow the US to cut its CO2
>>>emissions
>>>by 60% to 80% . Kyoto with its mainly conservation and anti-technology
>>>biases will be lucky to cut CO2 by more than a percent or two.
>>
>> First sentence, bullshit. Second, about right.
>>
>> What technology could possibly reduce CO2 emmisions that much?
>
>The technology is things like genetic engineering to produce microbes that
>turn cellulose waste into alcohol or hydrogen would possible be distributed
>as metallic fuels which can store far more energy per cubic foot than
>hydrogen by itself.
>
>Nanosolar is producing quantum dot on thing plastics to make solar energy
>far cheaper. Being funded by a lot money including the two guys that
>started Google.
>
>Of course nuclear is on going to be pushed heavily .
>
>It is amazing what cant be done when very smart people are combined with
>lots of money. Kyoto is missing those key ingredients.

I still don't know where you got that 60% - 80% number.

I'm not quite so confident that technology will provide us with
something bigger and better in the future. Whenever I talk to people
about the 'end of oil' there always seems to be this "science will
hopefully fix it" line coming out. I find it a bit unnerving that hope
is the current strategy.
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David Nebenzahl

Deeply Filled Mortician spake thus:

> Let is be knownst that on Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:43:31 -0800, "Jack May"
> <[email protected]> writted:
>
>>"Deeply Filled Mortician" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote
>>in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:54:20 -0800, "Jack May"
>>><[email protected]> writted:
>>>
>>>>"Jacqueline" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected] m...
>>>>
>>>>>On 3 Feb 2007 06:39:04 -0800, "Beavis and Butt-Head"
>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think auto travel will end in all cities around the world,
>>>>>>especially in Europe and in Jerusalem, Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>>The US takes 25% of the pullution in the world! And they refuse to
>>>>>sign the Kyoto Protocol!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>The estimates are that technology will allow the US to cut its CO2
>>>>emissions
>>>>by 60% to 80% . Kyoto with its mainly conservation and anti-technology
>>>>biases will be lucky to cut CO2 by more than a percent or two.
>>>
>>>First sentence, bullshit. Second, about right.
>>>
>>>What technology could possibly reduce CO2 emmisions that much?
>>
>>The technology is things like genetic engineering to produce microbes that
>>turn cellulose waste into alcohol or hydrogen would possible be distributed
>>as metallic fuels which can store far more energy per cubic foot than
>>hydrogen by itself.
>>
>>Nanosolar is producing quantum dot on thing plastics to make solar energy
>>far cheaper. Being funded by a lot money including the two guys that
>>started Google.
>>
>>Of course nuclear is on going to be pushed heavily .
>>
>>It is amazing what cant be done when very smart people are combined with
>>lots of money. Kyoto is missing those key ingredients.
>
> I still don't know where you got that 60% - 80% number.

Pulled it out of his ass, as per usual.


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Don't talk to me, those of you who must need to be slammed in the
forehead with a maul before you'll GET IT that Wikipedia is a
time-wasting, totality of CRAP...don't talk to me, don't keep bleating
like naifs, that we should somehow waste MORE of our lives writing a
variorum text that would be put up on that site.

It is a WASTE OF TIME.

- Harlan Ellison, writing on the "talk page" of his Wikipedia article
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harlan_Ellison)

Earl Evleth

On 7/02/07 17:30, in article
[email protected], "David Nebenzahl"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> I still don't know where you got that 60% - 80% number.
>
> Pulled it out of his ass, as per usual.

I subscribe to a professional magazine (Chemistry and Chemical Engineering
News) which deals periodically with the global warming issue.

I have never seen that kind of reduction in CO2 emissions projected
in the near to intermediate picture. Worse, although the oil production
will peak out and diminish in this century, there are large large deposits
of coal still around, the US in particular This will be burnt and so the
CO2 put into the atmosphere will continue to rise. It is currently at 380
ppm and increasing at about 1.5 ppm per year, some acceleration of this
figure has been detected. As the ocean warms its capacity to absorb
CO2 will diminish. This plus the 3rd world polluting more will assure
that the 1.5 ppm will be maintained, and perhaps increase more.

So by 2020 the 400 ppm mark will be reached and by the end of 2100
the figure will pass 500 ppm. The amount of global warming will
probably reach the high end of the range anticipated, like +6-8�C.

Nothing is likely to stop this increase.

There has been some talk, and only talk of pumping the CO2
under ground or depositing it as the bottom of the ocean
in the form of CO2 hydrates (the 4�C temperature and pressures
permitting this for form).

Go Fig

In article <C1EFC11A.D0241%[email protected]>, Earl Evleth
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On 7/02/07 17:30, in article
> [email protected], "David Nebenzahl"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> I still don't know where you got that 60% - 80% number.
> >
> > Pulled it out of his ass, as per usual.
>
> I subscribe to a professional magazine (Chemistry and Chemical Engineering
> News) which deals periodically with the global warming issue.
>
> I have never seen that kind of reduction in CO2 emissions projected
> in the near to intermediate picture.

How many trees have you planted ?

jay
Wed Feb 07, 2007
mailto:[email protected]






> Worse, although the oil production
> will peak out and diminish in this century, there are large large deposits
> of coal still around, the US in particular This will be burnt and so the
> CO2 put into the atmosphere will continue to rise. It is currently at 380
> ppm and increasing at about 1.5 ppm per year, some acceleration of this
> figure has been detected. As the ocean warms its capacity to absorb
> CO2 will diminish. This plus the 3rd world polluting more will assure
> that the 1.5 ppm will be maintained, and perhaps increase more.
>
> So by 2020 the 400 ppm mark will be reached and by the end of 2100
> the figure will pass 500 ppm. The amount of global warming will
> probably reach the high end of the range anticipated, like +6-8�C.
>
> Nothing is likely to stop this increase.
>
> There has been some talk, and only talk of pumping the CO2
> under ground or depositing it as the bottom of the ocean
> in the form of CO2 hydrates (the 4�C temperature and pressures
> permitting this for form).
>

Earl Evleth

On 7/02/07 18:57, in article 070220070957144591%[email protected], "Go Fig"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> How many trees have you planted ?


Makes no real difference. Photosynthesis has not kept up with
man's junking the air with CO2. The ocean has responded by
by heating up and slowing downs its own CO2 absorption. While on
land, the heating up of the tundra areas are pouring CO2 into`the
atmosphere. And in the rain forest areas, they are cutting down
trees to building garden furniture for the go figs of this world.

Do we in fact grow green things, Yes, Look at the three first
photos of the site http://homepage.mac.com/evleth/PhotoAlbum16.html

We do our bit, and you?????????