friendliest nation?
Oct 9th 2006, 9:11 pm
#76
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Re: friendliest nation?
Mike Reid wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:06:08 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> >> How would you know - you're not allowed to set foot there, in case you
> >> find out differently!!
> >
> >
> >I've not been to North Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Cuba, or any number of
> >other joke shitehole states. But I can tell you very truthfully that
those
> >are places you (or I) would *not* want to live...
> not live, but people here who have visited Cuba enjoyed it.
Sure, I enjoyed my visits to the old East Germany and Czechoslovakia in the
70's. But I had my US passport, a pocketful of dollars, and airline tickets
back home. I certainly would not have wanted to live in those places...
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Greg
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:06:08 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> >> How would you know - you're not allowed to set foot there, in case you
> >> find out differently!!
> >
> >
> >I've not been to North Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Cuba, or any number of
> >other joke shitehole states. But I can tell you very truthfully that
those
> >are places you (or I) would *not* want to live...
> not live, but people here who have visited Cuba enjoyed it.
Sure, I enjoyed my visits to the old East Germany and Czechoslovakia in the
70's. But I had my US passport, a pocketful of dollars, and airline tickets
back home. I certainly would not have wanted to live in those places...
--
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Greg
Oct 9th 2006, 9:29 pm
#77
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Re: friendliest nation?
> I've not been to North Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Cuba, or any number of
> other joke shitehole states. But I can tell you very truthfully that
those
> are places you (or I) would *not* want to live...
I HAVE been to Oakland CA, parts of LA, parts of Washington DC and various
other places in the western world where you (or I) would *not* want to live.
> other joke shitehole states. But I can tell you very truthfully that
those
> are places you (or I) would *not* want to live...
I HAVE been to Oakland CA, parts of LA, parts of Washington DC and various
other places in the western world where you (or I) would *not* want to live.
Oct 9th 2006, 9:37 pm
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Re: friendliest nation?
Miss L. Toe wrote:
> > I've not been to North Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Cuba, or any number of
> > other joke shitehole states. But I can tell you very truthfully that
> those
> > are places you (or I) would *not* want to live...
> >
> I HAVE been to Oakland CA, parts of LA, parts of Washington DC and various
> other places in the western world where you (or I) would *not* want to
live.
Except that those are not entire countries...
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Greg
> > I've not been to North Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Cuba, or any number of
> > other joke shitehole states. But I can tell you very truthfully that
> those
> > are places you (or I) would *not* want to live...
> >
> I HAVE been to Oakland CA, parts of LA, parts of Washington DC and various
> other places in the western world where you (or I) would *not* want to
live.
Except that those are not entire countries...
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Greg
Oct 9th 2006, 9:55 pm
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Re: friendliest nation?
Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:23:57 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> >
> >Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
> >
> >> >>>>> you certainly do get over sensitivity from some Jews, but remind
me
> >> >>>>> when they last murdered a film director who made a film critical
of
> >> >>>>> them?
> >> >>>> There aren't many film directiors who get funding to make such
films,
> >> >>>> but look what happens to journalists who criticize Israel:
> >> >>>> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0305/S00208.htm
> >> >>>> Or Ghassan Kanafani for writing about them. Or Jamal Mansour, the
PR
> >> >>>> man murdered by the Israelis along with two journalists
interviewing
> >> >>>> him in 2001.
> >> >>> I dont believe in rebuffing criticism of muslims with a criticism
of
> >> >>> Israelis. Muslim intolerance is bad, the Israeli actions were no
doubt
> >> >>> bad too. I dont see how an Isreali bad action makes a muslim bad
> >> >>> action OK.
> >> >> Jack wasn't rebuffing criticism of muslims, he was responding
directly
> >> >> to the suggestion that Jews react less violently to negative media
> >> >> portrayal.
> >> > Indeed, because they are smart enough to know there are more
effective
> >> > ways of dealing with it than death threats, assassinations, etc.
> >>
> >> Bollocks. Israel has the most blatant *official* policy of
assassination
> >> of any state in the world, and they've been at it for decades with no
> >> attempt whatever at secrecy. They murdered Kanafani back in 1972
> >>
> >> http://www.palestineremembered.com/A.../Story168.html
> >>
> >> and have been at it steadily ever since, the main change being that
they
> >> now use cruise missiles and kill whole buildings full of people instead
> >> of using gunmen and boobytrapped cars.
> >
> >
> >Yep, that's because the Israelis realise that its' "either kill or be
> >killed". It's "the law of the jungle", but unfortunately that's the way
it
> >is -- the Jews learned valuable lessons from their treatment in the
period
> >1933 - 1945.
> How to persecute a defenseless minority?
Think again...
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Greg
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:23:57 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> >
> >Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
> >
> >> >>>>> you certainly do get over sensitivity from some Jews, but remind
me
> >> >>>>> when they last murdered a film director who made a film critical
of
> >> >>>>> them?
> >> >>>> There aren't many film directiors who get funding to make such
films,
> >> >>>> but look what happens to journalists who criticize Israel:
> >> >>>> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0305/S00208.htm
> >> >>>> Or Ghassan Kanafani for writing about them. Or Jamal Mansour, the
PR
> >> >>>> man murdered by the Israelis along with two journalists
interviewing
> >> >>>> him in 2001.
> >> >>> I dont believe in rebuffing criticism of muslims with a criticism
of
> >> >>> Israelis. Muslim intolerance is bad, the Israeli actions were no
doubt
> >> >>> bad too. I dont see how an Isreali bad action makes a muslim bad
> >> >>> action OK.
> >> >> Jack wasn't rebuffing criticism of muslims, he was responding
directly
> >> >> to the suggestion that Jews react less violently to negative media
> >> >> portrayal.
> >> > Indeed, because they are smart enough to know there are more
effective
> >> > ways of dealing with it than death threats, assassinations, etc.
> >>
> >> Bollocks. Israel has the most blatant *official* policy of
assassination
> >> of any state in the world, and they've been at it for decades with no
> >> attempt whatever at secrecy. They murdered Kanafani back in 1972
> >>
> >> http://www.palestineremembered.com/A.../Story168.html
> >>
> >> and have been at it steadily ever since, the main change being that
they
> >> now use cruise missiles and kill whole buildings full of people instead
> >> of using gunmen and boobytrapped cars.
> >
> >
> >Yep, that's because the Israelis realise that its' "either kill or be
> >killed". It's "the law of the jungle", but unfortunately that's the way
it
> >is -- the Jews learned valuable lessons from their treatment in the
period
> >1933 - 1945.
> How to persecute a defenseless minority?
Think again...
--
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Greg
Oct 9th 2006, 9:58 pm
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Re: friendliest nation?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:55:53 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:23:57 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
>> >
>> >> >>>>> you certainly do get over sensitivity from some Jews, but remind
>me
>> >> >>>>> when they last murdered a film director who made a film critical
>of
>> >> >>>>> them?
>> >> >>>> There aren't many film directiors who get funding to make such
>films,
>> >> >>>> but look what happens to journalists who criticize Israel:
>> >> >>>> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0305/S00208.htm
>> >> >>>> Or Ghassan Kanafani for writing about them. Or Jamal Mansour, the
>PR
>> >> >>>> man murdered by the Israelis along with two journalists
>interviewing
>> >> >>>> him in 2001.
>> >> >>> I dont believe in rebuffing criticism of muslims with a criticism
>of
>> >> >>> Israelis. Muslim intolerance is bad, the Israeli actions were no
>doubt
>> >> >>> bad too. I dont see how an Isreali bad action makes a muslim bad
>> >> >>> action OK.
>> >> >> Jack wasn't rebuffing criticism of muslims, he was responding
>directly
>> >> >> to the suggestion that Jews react less violently to negative media
>> >> >> portrayal.
>> >> > Indeed, because they are smart enough to know there are more
>effective
>> >> > ways of dealing with it than death threats, assassinations, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Bollocks. Israel has the most blatant *official* policy of
>assassination
>> >> of any state in the world, and they've been at it for decades with no
>> >> attempt whatever at secrecy. They murdered Kanafani back in 1972
>> >>
>> >> http://www.palestineremembered.com/A.../Story168.html
>> >>
>> >> and have been at it steadily ever since, the main change being that
>they
>> >> now use cruise missiles and kill whole buildings full of people instead
>> >> of using gunmen and boobytrapped cars.
>> >
>> >
>> >Yep, that's because the Israelis realise that its' "either kill or be
>> >killed". It's "the law of the jungle", but unfortunately that's the way
>it
>> >is -- the Jews learned valuable lessons from their treatment in the
>period
>> >1933 - 1945.
>> How to persecute a defenseless minority?
>Think again...
I did many times. Other than tapping into US wealth what else do you
think they have learnt? Certainly not that all men are equal and that
your enemies aren't untermenschen, who can be treated as vermin.
--
Martin
<gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:23:57 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
>> >
>> >> >>>>> you certainly do get over sensitivity from some Jews, but remind
>me
>> >> >>>>> when they last murdered a film director who made a film critical
>of
>> >> >>>>> them?
>> >> >>>> There aren't many film directiors who get funding to make such
>films,
>> >> >>>> but look what happens to journalists who criticize Israel:
>> >> >>>> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0305/S00208.htm
>> >> >>>> Or Ghassan Kanafani for writing about them. Or Jamal Mansour, the
>PR
>> >> >>>> man murdered by the Israelis along with two journalists
>interviewing
>> >> >>>> him in 2001.
>> >> >>> I dont believe in rebuffing criticism of muslims with a criticism
>of
>> >> >>> Israelis. Muslim intolerance is bad, the Israeli actions were no
>doubt
>> >> >>> bad too. I dont see how an Isreali bad action makes a muslim bad
>> >> >>> action OK.
>> >> >> Jack wasn't rebuffing criticism of muslims, he was responding
>directly
>> >> >> to the suggestion that Jews react less violently to negative media
>> >> >> portrayal.
>> >> > Indeed, because they are smart enough to know there are more
>effective
>> >> > ways of dealing with it than death threats, assassinations, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Bollocks. Israel has the most blatant *official* policy of
>assassination
>> >> of any state in the world, and they've been at it for decades with no
>> >> attempt whatever at secrecy. They murdered Kanafani back in 1972
>> >>
>> >> http://www.palestineremembered.com/A.../Story168.html
>> >>
>> >> and have been at it steadily ever since, the main change being that
>they
>> >> now use cruise missiles and kill whole buildings full of people instead
>> >> of using gunmen and boobytrapped cars.
>> >
>> >
>> >Yep, that's because the Israelis realise that its' "either kill or be
>> >killed". It's "the law of the jungle", but unfortunately that's the way
>it
>> >is -- the Jews learned valuable lessons from their treatment in the
>period
>> >1933 - 1945.
>> How to persecute a defenseless minority?
>Think again...
I did many times. Other than tapping into US wealth what else do you
think they have learnt? Certainly not that all men are equal and that
your enemies aren't untermenschen, who can be treated as vermin.
--
Martin
Oct 9th 2006, 10:22 pm
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Re: friendliest nation?
Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:55:53 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> >
> >Martin wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:23:57 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> >> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >>>>> you certainly do get over sensitivity from some Jews, but
remind
> >me
> >> >> >>>>> when they last murdered a film director who made a film
critical
> >of
> >> >> >>>>> them?
> >> >> >>>> There aren't many film directiors who get funding to make such
> >films,
> >> >> >>>> but look what happens to journalists who criticize Israel:
> >> >> >>>> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0305/S00208.htm
> >> >> >>>> Or Ghassan Kanafani for writing about them. Or Jamal Mansour,
the
> >PR
> >> >> >>>> man murdered by the Israelis along with two journalists
> >interviewing
> >> >> >>>> him in 2001.
> >> >> >>> I dont believe in rebuffing criticism of muslims with a
criticism
> >of
> >> >> >>> Israelis. Muslim intolerance is bad, the Israeli actions were no
> >doubt
> >> >> >>> bad too. I dont see how an Isreali bad action makes a muslim bad
> >> >> >>> action OK.
> >> >> >> Jack wasn't rebuffing criticism of muslims, he was responding
> >directly
> >> >> >> to the suggestion that Jews react less violently to negative
media
> >> >> >> portrayal.
> >> >> > Indeed, because they are smart enough to know there are more
> >effective
> >> >> > ways of dealing with it than death threats, assassinations, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bollocks. Israel has the most blatant *official* policy of
> >assassination
> >> >> of any state in the world, and they've been at it for decades with
no
> >> >> attempt whatever at secrecy. They murdered Kanafani back in 1972
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.palestineremembered.com/A.../Story168.html
> >> >>
> >> >> and have been at it steadily ever since, the main change being that
> >they
> >> >> now use cruise missiles and kill whole buildings full of people
instead
> >> >> of using gunmen and boobytrapped cars.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Yep, that's because the Israelis realise that its' "either kill or be
> >> >killed". It's "the law of the jungle", but unfortunately that's the
way
> >it
> >> >is -- the Jews learned valuable lessons from their treatment in the
> >period
> >> >1933 - 1945.
> >>
> >> How to persecute a defenseless minority?
> >
> >
> >Think again...
> I did many times. Other than tapping into US wealth what else do you
> think they have learnt? Certainly not that all men are equal and that
> your enemies aren't untermenschen, who can be treated as vermin.
Yet there are Arabs and Muslims (with mosques!) within Israel itself...they
even have their representatives (12 in number) in the Knesset, serve in
Israeli government posts. Are there problems, is there tension? Sure, a -
plenty. But how many Jews have such positions in Arab or Muslim
states...???
I'd have to say that Israel giving in to about 90+% of Palestinian demands
during the peace process (after the Oslo Accords) certainly isn't treating
one's enemies like "vermin"...Arafat of course responded by launching the
Intifada. Sounds like the Palestinians are their *own* worst enemies...
The Israeli police even arrest those responsible for anti - Muslim hate
crimes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Bek_Mosque
"The mosque served also as the scene of a hate crime that occurred in August
of 2005. Several Israelis allegedly threw a pig's head on the lawn of the
Hassan Bek Mosque. The Pig's head was wrapped in a keffiyeh with "Muhammad",
the name of the prophet of Islam, written on it. Those suspected of taking
part in this incident were promptly arrested and charged by Israeli police
officials..."
--
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Greg
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:55:53 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> >
> >Martin wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:23:57 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> >> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >>>>> you certainly do get over sensitivity from some Jews, but
remind
> >me
> >> >> >>>>> when they last murdered a film director who made a film
critical
> >of
> >> >> >>>>> them?
> >> >> >>>> There aren't many film directiors who get funding to make such
> >films,
> >> >> >>>> but look what happens to journalists who criticize Israel:
> >> >> >>>> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0305/S00208.htm
> >> >> >>>> Or Ghassan Kanafani for writing about them. Or Jamal Mansour,
the
> >PR
> >> >> >>>> man murdered by the Israelis along with two journalists
> >interviewing
> >> >> >>>> him in 2001.
> >> >> >>> I dont believe in rebuffing criticism of muslims with a
criticism
> >of
> >> >> >>> Israelis. Muslim intolerance is bad, the Israeli actions were no
> >doubt
> >> >> >>> bad too. I dont see how an Isreali bad action makes a muslim bad
> >> >> >>> action OK.
> >> >> >> Jack wasn't rebuffing criticism of muslims, he was responding
> >directly
> >> >> >> to the suggestion that Jews react less violently to negative
media
> >> >> >> portrayal.
> >> >> > Indeed, because they are smart enough to know there are more
> >effective
> >> >> > ways of dealing with it than death threats, assassinations, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bollocks. Israel has the most blatant *official* policy of
> >assassination
> >> >> of any state in the world, and they've been at it for decades with
no
> >> >> attempt whatever at secrecy. They murdered Kanafani back in 1972
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.palestineremembered.com/A.../Story168.html
> >> >>
> >> >> and have been at it steadily ever since, the main change being that
> >they
> >> >> now use cruise missiles and kill whole buildings full of people
instead
> >> >> of using gunmen and boobytrapped cars.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Yep, that's because the Israelis realise that its' "either kill or be
> >> >killed". It's "the law of the jungle", but unfortunately that's the
way
> >it
> >> >is -- the Jews learned valuable lessons from their treatment in the
> >period
> >> >1933 - 1945.
> >>
> >> How to persecute a defenseless minority?
> >
> >
> >Think again...
> I did many times. Other than tapping into US wealth what else do you
> think they have learnt? Certainly not that all men are equal and that
> your enemies aren't untermenschen, who can be treated as vermin.
Yet there are Arabs and Muslims (with mosques!) within Israel itself...they
even have their representatives (12 in number) in the Knesset, serve in
Israeli government posts. Are there problems, is there tension? Sure, a -
plenty. But how many Jews have such positions in Arab or Muslim
states...???
I'd have to say that Israel giving in to about 90+% of Palestinian demands
during the peace process (after the Oslo Accords) certainly isn't treating
one's enemies like "vermin"...Arafat of course responded by launching the
Intifada. Sounds like the Palestinians are their *own* worst enemies...
The Israeli police even arrest those responsible for anti - Muslim hate
crimes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Bek_Mosque
"The mosque served also as the scene of a hate crime that occurred in August
of 2005. Several Israelis allegedly threw a pig's head on the lawn of the
Hassan Bek Mosque. The Pig's head was wrapped in a keffiyeh with "Muhammad",
the name of the prophet of Islam, written on it. Those suspected of taking
part in this incident were promptly arrested and charged by Israeli police
officials..."
--
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Greg
Oct 9th 2006, 10:51 pm
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Re: friendliest nation?
Gregory Morrow schreef:
> Miss L. Toe wrote:
> > > I've not been to North Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Cuba, or any number of
> > > other joke shitehole states. But I can tell you very truthfully that
> > those
> > > are places you (or I) would *not* want to live...
> > >
> >
> > I HAVE been to Oakland CA, parts of LA, parts of Washington DC and various
> > other places in the western world where you (or I) would *not* want to
> live.
> Except that those are not entire countries...
Fancy living in, say, Guatemala, or El Salvador? They're whole
countries - sort of.
B;
> Miss L. Toe wrote:
> > > I've not been to North Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Cuba, or any number of
> > > other joke shitehole states. But I can tell you very truthfully that
> > those
> > > are places you (or I) would *not* want to live...
> > >
> >
> > I HAVE been to Oakland CA, parts of LA, parts of Washington DC and various
> > other places in the western world where you (or I) would *not* want to
> live.
> Except that those are not entire countries...
Fancy living in, say, Guatemala, or El Salvador? They're whole
countries - sort of.
B;
Oct 10th 2006, 5:11 am
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Re: friendliest nation?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:55:58 +0100, Mike Reid <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:45:57 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>I didn't think you could be commie and a Buddhist?
>>No, that's certainly not true. A lot of the Viet Cong were both
>>communists and Buddhists.
>that's a bit odd, isn't it?
Why do you think so? Bhuddists are not all pacifists.
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My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:45:57 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>I didn't think you could be commie and a Buddhist?
>>No, that's certainly not true. A lot of the Viet Cong were both
>>communists and Buddhists.
>that's a bit odd, isn't it?
Why do you think so? Bhuddists are not all pacifists.
--
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My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Oct 10th 2006, 7:51 am
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Re: friendliest nation?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:11:01 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:55:58 +0100, Mike Reid <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:45:57 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>I didn't think you could be commie and a Buddhist?
>>>No, that's certainly not true. A lot of the Viet Cong were both
>>>communists and Buddhists.
>>that's a bit odd, isn't it?
>Why do you think so? Bhuddists are not all pacifists.
If Bhuddists aren't pacifists, then no one is.
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>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:55:58 +0100, Mike Reid <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:45:57 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>I didn't think you could be commie and a Buddhist?
>>>No, that's certainly not true. A lot of the Viet Cong were both
>>>communists and Buddhists.
>>that's a bit odd, isn't it?
>Why do you think so? Bhuddists are not all pacifists.
If Bhuddists aren't pacifists, then no one is.
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Oct 10th 2006, 7:55 am
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Re: friendliest nation?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:55:58 +0100, Mike Reid <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:06:08 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
><gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earth link.net> wrote:
>>> How would you know - you're not allowed to set foot there, in case you
>>> find out differently!!
>>I've not been to North Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Cuba, or any number of
>>other joke shitehole states. But I can tell you very truthfully that those
>>are places you (or I) would *not* want to live...
>not live, but people here who have visited Cuba enjoyed it.
I loved Romania, but I'd never want to live in the place.
A Romanian friend of mine here in Genova married an Italian and then
divorced her, and now loves his life here. He would never go back, and
our views on his country are starkly different.
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wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:06:08 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
><gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earth link.net> wrote:
>>> How would you know - you're not allowed to set foot there, in case you
>>> find out differently!!
>>I've not been to North Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Cuba, or any number of
>>other joke shitehole states. But I can tell you very truthfully that those
>>are places you (or I) would *not* want to live...
>not live, but people here who have visited Cuba enjoyed it.
I loved Romania, but I'd never want to live in the place.
A Romanian friend of mine here in Genova married an Italian and then
divorced her, and now loves his life here. He would never go back, and
our views on his country are starkly different.
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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Oct 10th 2006, 7:58 am
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Re: friendliest nation?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:55:58 +0100, Mike Reid <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:20:37 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
><gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earth link.net> wrote:
>>Why are Muslim countries now shite holes from which people attempt to
>>escape/flee/emigrate and not the shining beacons they were centuries
>>ago...???
>probably because they have lost the correct balance between science
>and learning and religion in the same way the catholic countries fell
>behind the protestants where it was easier to point out religious
>facts were total bollocks.
In Islamic countries, becoming an extremist is the ultimate form of
freedom.
Personally I don't like the idea, but it's possibly better than
spending ones life baking bread only to die old and poor.
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>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:20:37 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
><gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earth link.net> wrote:
>>Why are Muslim countries now shite holes from which people attempt to
>>escape/flee/emigrate and not the shining beacons they were centuries
>>ago...???
>probably because they have lost the correct balance between science
>and learning and religion in the same way the catholic countries fell
>behind the protestants where it was easier to point out religious
>facts were total bollocks.
In Islamic countries, becoming an extremist is the ultimate form of
freedom.
Personally I don't like the idea, but it's possibly better than
spending ones life baking bread only to die old and poor.
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Oct 10th 2006, 8:01 am
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Re: friendliest nation?
On 10 Oct 2006 01:29:54 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>Dave Frightens Me schreef:
>> On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:16:25 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus address
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>>> you certainly do get over sensitivity from some Jews, but remind me
>> >>>>>> when they last murdered a film director who made a film critical of
>> >>>>>> them?
>> >>>>> There aren't many film directiors who get funding to make such films,
>> >>>>> but look what happens to journalists who criticize Israel:
>> >>>>> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0305/S00208.htm
>> >>>>> Or Ghassan Kanafani for writing about them. Or Jamal Mansour, the PR
>> >>>>> man murdered by the Israelis along with two journalists interviewing
>> >>>>> him in 2001.
>> >>>> I dont believe in rebuffing criticism of muslims with a criticism of
>> >>>> Israelis. Muslim intolerance is bad, the Israeli actions were no doubt
>> >>>> bad too. I dont see how an Isreali bad action makes a muslim bad
>> >>>> action OK.
>> >>> Jack wasn't rebuffing criticism of muslims, he was responding directly
>> >>> to the suggestion that Jews react less violently to negative media
>> >>> portrayal.
>> >> Indeed, because they are smart enough to know there are more effective
>> >> ways of dealing with it than death threats, assassinations, etc.
>> >
>> >Bollocks. Israel has the most blatant *official* policy of assassination
>> >of any state in the world, and they've been at it for decades with no
>> >attempt whatever at secrecy. They murdered Kanafani back in 1972
>> >
>> >http://www.palestineremembered.com/A.../Story168.html
>> >
>> >and have been at it steadily ever since, the main change being that they
>> >now use cruise missiles and kill whole buildings full of people instead
>> >of using gunmen and boobytrapped cars.
>> You should read what I was responding to.
>> Without that context, what you say is correct, but I was referring to
>> how they deal with negative media portrayal.
>'xactly. By shooting journalists.
The magic of our age is that you can easily realise that history is a
pack of lies, as is most of what's written down.
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>Dave Frightens Me schreef:
>> On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:16:25 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus address
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>>> you certainly do get over sensitivity from some Jews, but remind me
>> >>>>>> when they last murdered a film director who made a film critical of
>> >>>>>> them?
>> >>>>> There aren't many film directiors who get funding to make such films,
>> >>>>> but look what happens to journalists who criticize Israel:
>> >>>>> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0305/S00208.htm
>> >>>>> Or Ghassan Kanafani for writing about them. Or Jamal Mansour, the PR
>> >>>>> man murdered by the Israelis along with two journalists interviewing
>> >>>>> him in 2001.
>> >>>> I dont believe in rebuffing criticism of muslims with a criticism of
>> >>>> Israelis. Muslim intolerance is bad, the Israeli actions were no doubt
>> >>>> bad too. I dont see how an Isreali bad action makes a muslim bad
>> >>>> action OK.
>> >>> Jack wasn't rebuffing criticism of muslims, he was responding directly
>> >>> to the suggestion that Jews react less violently to negative media
>> >>> portrayal.
>> >> Indeed, because they are smart enough to know there are more effective
>> >> ways of dealing with it than death threats, assassinations, etc.
>> >
>> >Bollocks. Israel has the most blatant *official* policy of assassination
>> >of any state in the world, and they've been at it for decades with no
>> >attempt whatever at secrecy. They murdered Kanafani back in 1972
>> >
>> >http://www.palestineremembered.com/A.../Story168.html
>> >
>> >and have been at it steadily ever since, the main change being that they
>> >now use cruise missiles and kill whole buildings full of people instead
>> >of using gunmen and boobytrapped cars.
>> You should read what I was responding to.
>> Without that context, what you say is correct, but I was referring to
>> how they deal with negative media portrayal.
>'xactly. By shooting journalists.
The magic of our age is that you can easily realise that history is a
pack of lies, as is most of what's written down.
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Oct 10th 2006, 9:21 am
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Re: friendliest nation?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:22:35 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> I did many times. Other than tapping into US wealth what else do you
>> think they have learnt? Certainly not that all men are equal and that
>> your enemies aren't untermenschen, who can be treated as vermin.
>Yet there are Arabs and Muslims (with mosques!) within Israel itself...they
>even have their representatives (12 in number) in the Knesset, serve in
>Israeli government posts. Are there problems, is there tension? Sure, a -
>plenty. But how many Jews have such positions in Arab or Muslim
>states...???
>I'd have to say that Israel giving in to about 90+% of Palestinian demands
>during the peace process (after the Oslo Accords) certainly isn't treating
>one's enemies like "vermin"...Arafat of course responded by launching the
>Intifada. Sounds like the Palestinians are their *own* worst enemies...
>The Israeli police even arrest those responsible for anti - Muslim hate
>crimes:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Bek_Mosque
>"The mosque served also as the scene of a hate crime that occurred in August
>of 2005. Several Israelis allegedly threw a pig's head on the lawn of the
>Hassan Bek Mosque. The Pig's head was wrapped in a keffiyeh with "Muhammad",
>the name of the prophet of Islam, written on it. Those suspected of taking
>part in this incident were promptly arrested and charged by Israeli police
>officials..."
Damn... you make a good case for Muslim bashing!
It seems to me the victims of Israel's oppression have been just a bit
too quick to tap into western sensitivities. At what point do they
start taking care of themselves in intelligent ways?
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<gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> I did many times. Other than tapping into US wealth what else do you
>> think they have learnt? Certainly not that all men are equal and that
>> your enemies aren't untermenschen, who can be treated as vermin.
>Yet there are Arabs and Muslims (with mosques!) within Israel itself...they
>even have their representatives (12 in number) in the Knesset, serve in
>Israeli government posts. Are there problems, is there tension? Sure, a -
>plenty. But how many Jews have such positions in Arab or Muslim
>states...???
>I'd have to say that Israel giving in to about 90+% of Palestinian demands
>during the peace process (after the Oslo Accords) certainly isn't treating
>one's enemies like "vermin"...Arafat of course responded by launching the
>Intifada. Sounds like the Palestinians are their *own* worst enemies...
>The Israeli police even arrest those responsible for anti - Muslim hate
>crimes:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Bek_Mosque
>"The mosque served also as the scene of a hate crime that occurred in August
>of 2005. Several Israelis allegedly threw a pig's head on the lawn of the
>Hassan Bek Mosque. The Pig's head was wrapped in a keffiyeh with "Muhammad",
>the name of the prophet of Islam, written on it. Those suspected of taking
>part in this incident were promptly arrested and charged by Israeli police
>officials..."
Damn... you make a good case for Muslim bashing!
It seems to me the victims of Israel's oppression have been just a bit
too quick to tap into western sensitivities. At what point do they
start taking care of themselves in intelligent ways?
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Oct 10th 2006, 9:21 am
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Re: friendliest nation?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:21:15 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:22:35 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
><gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earth link.net> wrote:
>It seems to me the victims of Israel's oppression have been just a bit
>too quick to tap into western sensitivities.
You call waiting since 1948 quick?
>At what point do they
>start taking care of themselves in intelligent ways?
Around the same time the USA stops supplying Israel with weapons and
finance.
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:22:35 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
><gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earth link.net> wrote:
>It seems to me the victims of Israel's oppression have been just a bit
>too quick to tap into western sensitivities.
You call waiting since 1948 quick?
>At what point do they
>start taking care of themselves in intelligent ways?
Around the same time the USA stops supplying Israel with weapons and
finance.
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Oct 10th 2006, 9:49 am
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Re: friendliest nation?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:21:34 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:21:15 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:22:35 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>><gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>>It seems to me the victims of Israel's oppression have been just a bit
>>too quick to tap into western sensitivities.
>You call waiting since 1948 quick?
>>At what point do they
>>start taking care of themselves in intelligent ways?
>Around the same time the USA stops supplying Israel with weapons and
>finance.
Sadly too many would like to believe that, but I just can't see it
ever happening.
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>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:21:15 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:22:35 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>><gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>>It seems to me the victims of Israel's oppression have been just a bit
>>too quick to tap into western sensitivities.
>You call waiting since 1948 quick?
>>At what point do they
>>start taking care of themselves in intelligent ways?
>Around the same time the USA stops supplying Israel with weapons and
>finance.
Sadly too many would like to believe that, but I just can't see it
ever happening.
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