French question???????
May 8th 2003, 8:57 am
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"Zé Bastos" a écrit dans le message news:
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> French are Latins, maybe the less of the latin nations, but they are
latins,
> with some influentions of other peoples (every body has, I think), but
they
> are Latins.
The fact that they are "Latins" is a language issue, not a ethnic or
""racial" one.
JPh
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> French are Latins, maybe the less of the latin nations, but they are
latins,
> with some influentions of other peoples (every body has, I think), but
they
> are Latins.
The fact that they are "Latins" is a language issue, not a ethnic or
""racial" one.
JPh
May 8th 2003, 9:03 am
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> "Zé Bastos" a écrit dans le message news:
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>> French are Latins, maybe the less of the latin nations, but they are
> latins,
>> with some influentions of other peoples (every body has, I think), but
> they
>> are Latins.
Tell that to the Bretons.
Tim.
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>> French are Latins, maybe the less of the latin nations, but they are
> latins,
>> with some influentions of other peoples (every body has, I think), but
> they
>> are Latins.
Tell that to the Bretons.
Tim.
May 8th 2003, 9:24 am
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"Zé Bastos" wrote:
>
> French are Latins, maybe the less of the latin nations, but they are latins,
> with some influentions of other peoples (every body has, I think), but they
> are Latins.
>
> Rojosh escreveu na mensagem ...
> > I just returned from Paris, where I stayed for 11 days. I was treated
> >very well (as usual) so forget the bullshit some posters are spewing.
> > My question is this, why are so many French people dark skinned? I mean
> >excluding Negroes, Asians, Indians, and others, many French are dark with
> >brown eyes and black hair. Where does that come from?
> >--
> >Robbie
> >Dump Bush in 2004!
One dominating influence is the heritage of France's dominions -
especially Algeria.
It was only "let go" in the 60s, with a lot of communications since then
- hence a lot of darker offspring.
The relationship is similat to that of UK and Eire - without quite as
much bombing - only UK and Irish genetics are more similar to each
other, so cross breeding is not so evident.
H
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>
> French are Latins, maybe the less of the latin nations, but they are latins,
> with some influentions of other peoples (every body has, I think), but they
> are Latins.
>
> Rojosh escreveu na mensagem ...
> > I just returned from Paris, where I stayed for 11 days. I was treated
> >very well (as usual) so forget the bullshit some posters are spewing.
> > My question is this, why are so many French people dark skinned? I mean
> >excluding Negroes, Asians, Indians, and others, many French are dark with
> >brown eyes and black hair. Where does that come from?
> >--
> >Robbie
> >Dump Bush in 2004!
One dominating influence is the heritage of France's dominions -
especially Algeria.
It was only "let go" in the 60s, with a lot of communications since then
- hence a lot of darker offspring.
The relationship is similat to that of UK and Eire - without quite as
much bombing - only UK and Irish genetics are more similar to each
other, so cross breeding is not so evident.
H
--
Many of our imports come from other countries - GW
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This post represents the views of the author and does not necessarily
accurately represent the views of my employer.
May 8th 2003, 11:16 am
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I am guessing that French was once under the Indian rule, Indo-France and that
is possibly why.
Rojosh wrote:
> I just returned from Paris, where I stayed for 11 days. I was treated
> very well (as usual) so forget the bullshit some posters are spewing.
> My question is this, why are so many French people dark skinned? I mean
> excluding Negroes, Asians, Indians, and others, many French are dark with
> brown eyes and black hair. Where does that come from?
> --
> Robbie
> Dump Bush in 2004!
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I am guessing that French was once under the Indian rule, Indo-France and that
is possibly why.
Rojosh wrote:
> I just returned from Paris, where I stayed for 11 days. I was treated
> very well (as usual) so forget the bullshit some posters are spewing.
> My question is this, why are so many French people dark skinned? I mean
> excluding Negroes, Asians, Indians, and others, many French are dark with
> brown eyes and black hair. Where does that come from?
> --
> Robbie
> Dump Bush in 2004!
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May 8th 2003, 12:09 pm
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According to whose definition? I know of no people who refer to
themselves as "Negroes"
May 8th 2003, 12:10 pm
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> > You'll notice that many Sicilians are blue-eyed
> > - same Norse-men genes from their raiding parties
> > a thousand years ago.
> And many Norwegians have dark hair and eyes. Invading Sicilians, perhaps?
...and in many parts of europe there are very blond people whose genes
probably come from itinerent Vikings
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> > You'll notice that many Sicilians are blue-eyed
> > - same Norse-men genes from their raiding parties
> > a thousand years ago.
> And many Norwegians have dark hair and eyes. Invading Sicilians, perhaps?
...and in many parts of europe there are very blond people whose genes
probably come from itinerent Vikings
May 8th 2003, 12:13 pm
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Rojosh wrote in message
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> I just returned from Paris, where I stayed for 11 days. I was treated
> very well (as usual) so forget the bullshit some posters are spewing.
> My question is this, why are so many French people dark skinned? I
mean
> excluding Negroes, Asians, Indians, and others, many French are dark with
> brown eyes and black hair. Where does that come from?
> --
> Robbie
> Dump Bush in 2004!
Because France is a country, not a racial group.
Such a racial mix is true of practically every country in Europe, and the
US, and Australia, and Brazil , and, and.....
news:[email protected]...
> I just returned from Paris, where I stayed for 11 days. I was treated
> very well (as usual) so forget the bullshit some posters are spewing.
> My question is this, why are so many French people dark skinned? I
mean
> excluding Negroes, Asians, Indians, and others, many French are dark with
> brown eyes and black hair. Where does that come from?
> --
> Robbie
> Dump Bush in 2004!
Because France is a country, not a racial group.
Such a racial mix is true of practically every country in Europe, and the
US, and Australia, and Brazil , and, and.....
May 8th 2003, 12:24 pm
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> According to whose definition?
Most dictionaries define it so. "Negro" simply means "black."
> I know of no people who refer to themselves as "Negroes"
I do.
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> According to whose definition?
Most dictionaries define it so. "Negro" simply means "black."
> I know of no people who refer to themselves as "Negroes"
I do.
May 8th 2003, 12:24 pm
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> The fact that they are "Latins" is a language
> issue, not a ethnic or ""racial" one.
It's a linguistic, cultural, and ethnic characterization.
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> The fact that they are "Latins" is a language
> issue, not a ethnic or ""racial" one.
It's a linguistic, cultural, and ethnic characterization.
May 8th 2003, 12:25 pm
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> I am guessing that French was once under the
> Indian rule, Indo-France and that is possibly why.
When was France ruled by India?
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> I am guessing that French was once under the
> Indian rule, Indo-France and that is possibly why.
When was France ruled by India?
May 8th 2003, 12:27 pm
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> Because France is a country, not a racial group.
> Such a racial mix is true of practically every
> country in Europe, and the US, and Australia, and
> Brazil , and, and.....
That may be, but most countries have an "average" native with an
identifiable look. In France, the "average" person has dark hair and eyes,
and light skin, and is Catholic. In the U.S., the "average" person has
blondish hair and light eyes, with light skin, and is Protestant. There are
many exceptions, but that doesn't mean that no trends emerge.
news: [email protected]...
> Because France is a country, not a racial group.
> Such a racial mix is true of practically every
> country in Europe, and the US, and Australia, and
> Brazil , and, and.....
That may be, but most countries have an "average" native with an
identifiable look. In France, the "average" person has dark hair and eyes,
and light skin, and is Catholic. In the U.S., the "average" person has
blondish hair and light eyes, with light skin, and is Protestant. There are
many exceptions, but that doesn't mean that no trends emerge.
May 8th 2003, 12:39 pm
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in article [email protected], John Stolz at
[email protected] wrote on 8/05/03 14:13:
>
> Rojosh wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I just returned from Paris, where I stayed for 11 days. I was treated
>> very well (as usual) so forget the bullshit some posters are spewing.
>> My question is this, why are so many French people dark skinned? I
> mean
>> excluding Negroes, Asians, Indians, and others, many French are dark with
>> brown eyes and black hair. Where does that come from?
>> --
>> Robbie
>> Dump Bush in 2004!
>>
>>
> Because France is a country, not a racial group.
> Such a racial mix is true of practically every country in Europe, and the
> US, and Australia, and Brazil , and, and.....
Curiously the number of Black slaves who entered Europe is about half the
number as entering what is now the USA. The current Black population in
France is recent, Africans arriving to look for jobs, many illegals.
Caribbean Blacks also come but legally if they are from the French
islands in that area. However, vestige of the Blacks who came in the
1700-1800s is lost, their gene pool apparently absorbed into
the general population. This is a question scholars currently pursue.
Next, I read somewhere that something in the order of 10% of the gene pool
in Southern Europe is from Black Africa but totally diffused into the
population. In fact, if slavery and Jim Crow had not persisted in the USA
one might well have had the same integration into the general population
and a disappearance of American Blacks as such.
At one time a darker hue was not appreciated, in particular in the Victorian
period. Now some take all sorts of tan inducing chemical products to darken
the skin a bit. A tan is considered to be a "healthy look".
Skin color racism, however, does exist in France although it has had a
curious history. In the 1920s American Blacks were the rage of Paris,
jazz was king and Josephine Baker was the sexiest and most talent person
around. However, part of the image was of a primitive although more natural
people.
Stoval`s book "Paris Noir" gives a good history of the reception of American
Blacks in Paris, the primitive period of the 1920s and 30s and the Black
intellectuals and writers of the post WWII period.
Stoval mentions how shocked WWI American GIs, especially from the South,
were to find interracial dating occurring in France. Historically the
French were not adverse to taking a spouse of another race.
The biggest factor in upward mobility in French society is learning to speak
French well. Educated Blacks and North Africans have an easier time if they
do. Others, like the recent singer group, "the Nubians" had to go to the
USA to get full professional recognition. French society is healthy and
diverse but has its warts. Racism persists but is not American in
flavor.
Earl
[email protected] wrote on 8/05/03 14:13:
>
> Rojosh wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I just returned from Paris, where I stayed for 11 days. I was treated
>> very well (as usual) so forget the bullshit some posters are spewing.
>> My question is this, why are so many French people dark skinned? I
> mean
>> excluding Negroes, Asians, Indians, and others, many French are dark with
>> brown eyes and black hair. Where does that come from?
>> --
>> Robbie
>> Dump Bush in 2004!
>>
>>
> Because France is a country, not a racial group.
> Such a racial mix is true of practically every country in Europe, and the
> US, and Australia, and Brazil , and, and.....
Curiously the number of Black slaves who entered Europe is about half the
number as entering what is now the USA. The current Black population in
France is recent, Africans arriving to look for jobs, many illegals.
Caribbean Blacks also come but legally if they are from the French
islands in that area. However, vestige of the Blacks who came in the
1700-1800s is lost, their gene pool apparently absorbed into
the general population. This is a question scholars currently pursue.
Next, I read somewhere that something in the order of 10% of the gene pool
in Southern Europe is from Black Africa but totally diffused into the
population. In fact, if slavery and Jim Crow had not persisted in the USA
one might well have had the same integration into the general population
and a disappearance of American Blacks as such.
At one time a darker hue was not appreciated, in particular in the Victorian
period. Now some take all sorts of tan inducing chemical products to darken
the skin a bit. A tan is considered to be a "healthy look".
Skin color racism, however, does exist in France although it has had a
curious history. In the 1920s American Blacks were the rage of Paris,
jazz was king and Josephine Baker was the sexiest and most talent person
around. However, part of the image was of a primitive although more natural
people.
Stoval`s book "Paris Noir" gives a good history of the reception of American
Blacks in Paris, the primitive period of the 1920s and 30s and the Black
intellectuals and writers of the post WWII period.
Stoval mentions how shocked WWI American GIs, especially from the South,
were to find interracial dating occurring in France. Historically the
French were not adverse to taking a spouse of another race.
The biggest factor in upward mobility in French society is learning to speak
French well. Educated Blacks and North Africans have an easier time if they
do. Others, like the recent singer group, "the Nubians" had to go to the
USA to get full professional recognition. French society is healthy and
diverse but has its warts. Racism persists but is not American in
flavor.
Earl
May 8th 2003, 12:41 pm
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in article [email protected], Mxsmanic at
[email protected] wrote on 8/05/03 10:49:
> And many Norwegians have dark hair and eyes. Invading Sicilians, perhaps?
Kirk Douglas was the perfect Viking. And Jewish!
So much for stereotypes.
Earl
[email protected] wrote on 8/05/03 10:49:
> And many Norwegians have dark hair and eyes. Invading Sicilians, perhaps?
Kirk Douglas was the perfect Viking. And Jewish!
So much for stereotypes.
Earl
May 8th 2003, 1:44 pm
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"Mxsmanic" a écrit dans le message news:
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> > The fact that they are "Latins" is a language
> > issue, not a ethnic or ""racial" one.
> It's a linguistic, cultural, and ethnic characterization.
- linguistic : yes it is, of course.
- cultural : Most areas where latin language are spoken were more or less
influenced by the Roman Empire (at least in Europe) and roman catholic
church (but french speaking Switzerland and Romania). I agree it is
important but is there anything else ?
- ethnic : what do you mean by ethnic ? The average native from Normandy
(for example) looks much more like the average native from Britan than like
the average Mexican. Is he ethnically "latin" ? The ethnic characterization
(if such a thing makes sense) is mediterranean, not latin.
JPh
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> > The fact that they are "Latins" is a language
> > issue, not a ethnic or ""racial" one.
> It's a linguistic, cultural, and ethnic characterization.
- linguistic : yes it is, of course.
- cultural : Most areas where latin language are spoken were more or less
influenced by the Roman Empire (at least in Europe) and roman catholic
church (but french speaking Switzerland and Romania). I agree it is
important but is there anything else ?
- ethnic : what do you mean by ethnic ? The average native from Normandy
(for example) looks much more like the average native from Britan than like
the average Mexican. Is he ethnically "latin" ? The ethnic characterization
(if such a thing makes sense) is mediterranean, not latin.
JPh
May 8th 2003, 2:54 pm
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Mxsmanic wrote in message
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> "John Stolz" a écrit dans le message
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> news: [email protected]...
> > Because France is a country, not a racial group.
> > Such a racial mix is true of practically every
> > country in Europe, and the US, and Australia, and
> > Brazil , and, and.....
> That may be, but most countries have an "average" native with an
> identifiable look. In France, the "average" person has dark hair and
eyes,
> and light skin, and is Catholic. In the U.S., the "average" person has
> blondish hair and light eyes, with light skin, and is Protestant. There
are
> many exceptions, but that doesn't mean that no trends emerge.
I can't imagine what data this supposition is based on or what 'average'
means in this context.
news:[email protected]...
> "John Stolz" a écrit dans le message
de
> news: [email protected]...
> > Because France is a country, not a racial group.
> > Such a racial mix is true of practically every
> > country in Europe, and the US, and Australia, and
> > Brazil , and, and.....
> That may be, but most countries have an "average" native with an
> identifiable look. In France, the "average" person has dark hair and
eyes,
> and light skin, and is Catholic. In the U.S., the "average" person has
> blondish hair and light eyes, with light skin, and is Protestant. There
are
> many exceptions, but that doesn't mean that no trends emerge.
I can't imagine what data this supposition is based on or what 'average'
means in this context.