Miguel Cruz

Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Miguel Cruz writes:
    >> The one that killed almost as many Australians per-capita as September 11
    >> did Americans.
    > A statistically insignificant loss, then?

Not to the thousands of people who lost friends or family members.

miguel
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Deep Frayed Morgues

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:29:01 -0500, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
wrote:

    >Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Miguel Cruz writes:
    >>> How about the one they just got finished commemorating?
    >> Which one was that?
    >The one that killed almost as many Australians per-capita as September 11
    >did Americans.

Oh, I thought you were talking about the OTHER terrorist act. Y'know,
where John Howard got re-elected.
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Deep Frayed Morgues

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:29:29 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:43:01 GMT, Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:
    >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:40:56 +0200, Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:44:47 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
    >>>> Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
    >>>>> the latest Australian passports.
    >>>>
    >>>> Why would anyone want to?
    >>>Especially if the penalty for failure is to be dumped on a distant island
    >>>by the Australian Navy (in a strange reversal of historical roles)
    >>
    >> And you know what? That policy has actually saved a hell of a lot of
    >> lives by completely killing off the dodgy-as-hell people smuggling
    >> trade to Oz. Strange how sometimes ruthless policies can actually do
    >> what they are supposed to do.
    >> ---
    >> DFM
    >But if they'd all had Australian passports they'd be happily living in Oz.
    >Which was the point, I think.

Yeah, and they'd be complaining about the number of illegal
immigrants.
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DFM

Dennis G. Rears

"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Miguel Cruz writes:
    >> How about the one they just got finished commemorating?
    > Which one was that?

The bombing of a Bali Nightclub in 2002.

dennis

EvelynVogtGamble

Mxsmanic wrote:

    > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
    >
    >
    >>Odd, I've not encountered the mythical "arrogance" in any of
    >>my visits to Paris!
    >
    >
    > Americans interpret a lack of back-slapping familiarity and friendliness
    > as "arrogance" in many cases.

Ah, that explains it! I've always been a rather reserved
person, myself - I prefer to actually KNOW someone before I
address him/her by his/her first name. I'm not sure how you
define "friendliness", but I've never found my notion of it
lacking among the Parisians I've encountered.
    >

EvelynVogtGamble

Martin Bienwald wrote:

    > Contrasting, some French people I've encountered just kept their mouth
    > shut and made a stony face when I talked to them in anything else than
    > proper French.

Isn't it possible they just did not speak English? That
seems pretty standard behavior in America, too, when
addressed by strangers unsing an incomprehensible language.

EvelynVogtGamble

Sam wrote:


    >
    > I couldnt agree more Martin. I think even if you know basic french or
    > can understand but not speak french well, If you mentioned louvre in
    > your broken franch the local could ask '<in french>Ah you are asking
    > where the museum is' or '<french>Ah you want to know if this is the
    > train to Versailles' then the visitor would only need to say Oui and
    > listen to the reply. And the french local would be happy too cause he
    > didnt have to speak or be spoken to in english.
    >
    > In many cases following my attempt at asking if this is the train to
    > versailles the local simply stared blank saying Ne comprends pas etc.

Perhaps they DIDN'T understand! Words don't mean much if
you pronounce them so badly they're unrecognizeable. Having
sung in other languages for most of my life, I can generally
make my pronunciations understood - but understanding the
reply is a different matter.

    >
    > Sam

Mxsmanic

Miguel Cruz writes:

    > Not to the thousands of people who lost friends or family members.

But to the country as a whole.

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Mxsmanic

Dennis G. Rears writes:

    > The bombing of a Bali Nightclub in 2002.

Spectacular but trivial from an objective standpoint, like most
terrorist acts.

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Go Fig

In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > Dennis G. Rears writes:
    >
    > > The bombing of a Bali Nightclub in 2002.
    >
    > Spectacular but trivial from an objective standpoint, like most
    > terrorist acts.

You seem to have only one objective criteria, death/injury. Is that
the only standard you measure the impact by ?

jay
Wed Oct 13, 2004
mailto:[email protected]

Mxsmanic

Go Fig writes:

    > You seem to have only one objective criteria, death/injury.

Right.

    > Is that the only standard you measure the impact by ?

If I wish to be objective, yes.

The goal of terrorists is to sow hysteria and destabilize a country by
committing spectacular but objectively trivial acts (they don't have the
means to commit acts that are objectively very grave, generally, and
even if they do, it isn't a good idea). When people become hysterical
and emotional and dramatically overreact to incidents that kill fewer
people than cigarettes kill in a day, they play directly into the hands
of terrorists.

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Go Fig

In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > Go Fig writes:
    >
    > > You seem to have only one objective criteria, death/injury.
    >
    > Right.
    >
    > > Is that the only standard you measure the impact by ?
    >
    > If I wish to be objective, yes.

So if they flew a plane into the Eiffel Tower without your loss of
life, there would be no other objective impact on your life ? How bout
your income ?

jay
Wed Oct 13, 2004
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    >
    > The goal of terrorists is to sow hysteria and destabilize a country by
    > committing spectacular but objectively trivial acts (they don't have the
    > means to commit acts that are objectively very grave, generally, and
    > even if they do, it isn't a good idea). When people become hysterical
    > and emotional and dramatically overreact to incidents that kill fewer
    > people than cigarettes kill in a day, they play directly into the hands
    > of terrorists.

Tim Challenger

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:19:27 GMT, Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:

    > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:29:29 +0200, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:43:01 GMT, Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:
    >>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:40:56 +0200, Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:44:47 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
    >>>>> Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
    >>>>>> the latest Australian passports.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Why would anyone want to?
    >>>>Especially if the penalty for failure is to be dumped on a distant island
    >>>>by the Australian Navy (in a strange reversal of historical roles)
    >>>
    >>> And you know what? That policy has actually saved a hell of a lot of
    >>> lives by completely killing off the dodgy-as-hell people smuggling
    >>> trade to Oz. Strange how sometimes ruthless policies can actually do
    >>> what they are supposed to do.
    >>> ---
    >>> DFM
    >>But if they'd all had Australian passports they'd be happily living in Oz.
    >>Which was the point, I think.
    >
    > Yeah, and they'd be complaining about the number of illegal
    > immigrants.

Ah, but they wouldn't be illegal, because they have the documents to prove
it. ;)
Then they'd just complain about the immigrants. Oh they do that already.

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Deep Frayed Morgues

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:29:32 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Go Fig writes:
    >>
    >> > You seem to have only one objective criteria, death/injury.
    >>
    >> Right.
    >>
    >> > Is that the only standard you measure the impact by ?
    >>
    >> If I wish to be objective, yes.
    >So if they flew a plane into the Eiffel Tower without your loss of
    >life, there would be no other objective impact on your life ? How bout
    >your income ?

Paris without it's ugliest structure. How could it possibly
continue...
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DFM

Dave Smith

Mxsmanic wrote:

    > > "Our bad image in this area, the arrogance we are accused of, our
    > > refusal to speak foreign languages, the sense we give that it's a
    > > great honour to visit us are among the ugly facts of which we should
    > > not be proud," reads the first paragraph of his report, commissioned
    > > by the government."
    > >
    > > "They have to learn that the tourist is not a nuisance but a benefit.
    > > "
    > The French treat tourists the same way they treat each other.

I have been to France several times and have always had very pleasant
experiences. Of all the hotel, store and restaurant people I have dealt with I
had one rude waiter. I have encountered much ruder waiters at home, and I have
seen non English speaking tourists here treated as if they had some sort of
disease.