French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
Oct 11th 2004, 7:55 pm
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:44:47 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
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>Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
>> Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
>> the latest Australian passports.
>Why would anyone want to?
A couple of good reasons:
1. Australia is a very appealing place to illegally emmigrate to.
2. Australia is high on some supposed list of terrorist targets, and
thus terrorists (gotta love that word) might want to enter the
country.
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wrote:
>Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
>> Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
>> the latest Australian passports.
>Why would anyone want to?
A couple of good reasons:
1. Australia is a very appealing place to illegally emmigrate to.
2. Australia is high on some supposed list of terrorist targets, and
thus terrorists (gotta love that word) might want to enter the
country.
---
DFM
Oct 11th 2004, 8:12 pm
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:13:24 GMT, Deep Frayed Morgues
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:50:43 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <1097506716.xg3JYtDSn2KA4EafDITx1w@teranews>, Tim Challenger
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:52:48 -0700, Go Fig wrote:
>>>
>>> > You are
>>> > woefully naive if you do not think that biometric ID is not in your
>>> > future for international travel.
>>>
>>> It might be inevitable, but that doesn't mean it should be welcomed with
>>> open arms, nor considered critically.
>>Why, cause it can't be forged to the extent/ease that the photo or
>>signature with current passports can be ?
>Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
>the latest Australian passports.
See my post about misusing genuine Dutch passports.
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:50:43 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <1097506716.xg3JYtDSn2KA4EafDITx1w@teranews>, Tim Challenger
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:52:48 -0700, Go Fig wrote:
>>>
>>> > You are
>>> > woefully naive if you do not think that biometric ID is not in your
>>> > future for international travel.
>>>
>>> It might be inevitable, but that doesn't mean it should be welcomed with
>>> open arms, nor considered critically.
>>Why, cause it can't be forged to the extent/ease that the photo or
>>signature with current passports can be ?
>Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
>the latest Australian passports.
See my post about misusing genuine Dutch passports.
Oct 12th 2004, 1:53 am
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" schrieb:
> Odd, I've not encountered the mythical "arrogance" in any of
> my visits to Paris!
I did.
> And why SHOULD they "speak foreign languages"?
Well, I don't expect them to speak any language other than French, but
I don't like the way some French seem to be offended by the fact that
I don't speak their language. (Englishmen are sometimes accused of a
similar attitude, which I cannot comment on because I know some English.)
For example, in Poland or Greece I've met a lot of people with whom I
didn't speak any common language.
However, they tried to communicate in any conceivable way, with hands,
feet, pen and paper, and were really happy if I could even say "please"
and "thank you" in the local language, however badly pronounced.
Contrasting, some French people I've encountered just kept their mouth
shut and made a stony face when I talked to them in anything else than
proper French. However, as far as I can see this attitude was much more
present 15 years ago than it is today, so there is hope that it will die
out eventually.
... Martin
> Odd, I've not encountered the mythical "arrogance" in any of
> my visits to Paris!
I did.
> And why SHOULD they "speak foreign languages"?
Well, I don't expect them to speak any language other than French, but
I don't like the way some French seem to be offended by the fact that
I don't speak their language. (Englishmen are sometimes accused of a
similar attitude, which I cannot comment on because I know some English.)
For example, in Poland or Greece I've met a lot of people with whom I
didn't speak any common language.
However, they tried to communicate in any conceivable way, with hands,
feet, pen and paper, and were really happy if I could even say "please"
and "thank you" in the local language, however badly pronounced.
Contrasting, some French people I've encountered just kept their mouth
shut and made a stony face when I talked to them in anything else than
proper French. However, as far as I can see this attitude was much more
present 15 years ago than it is today, so there is hope that it will die
out eventually.
... Martin
Oct 12th 2004, 4:39 am
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:53:33 +0000, Martin Bienwald wrote:
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" schrieb:
>
>> Odd, I've not encountered the mythical "arrogance" in any of
>> my visits to Paris!
>
> I did.
>
>> And why SHOULD they "speak foreign languages"?
>
> Well, I don't expect them to speak any language other than French, but
> I don't like the way some French seem to be offended by the fact that
> I don't speak their language.
[...]
Really? I've encountered the opposite - that French people have insisted
on speaking to me in English, even though their English was worse than my
French.
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> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" schrieb:
>
>> Odd, I've not encountered the mythical "arrogance" in any of
>> my visits to Paris!
>
> I did.
>
>> And why SHOULD they "speak foreign languages"?
>
> Well, I don't expect them to speak any language other than French, but
> I don't like the way some French seem to be offended by the fact that
> I don't speak their language.
[...]
Really? I've encountered the opposite - that French people have insisted
on speaking to me in English, even though their English was worse than my
French.
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Oct 12th 2004, 4:40 am
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:44:47 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
> Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
>
>> Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
>> the latest Australian passports.
>
> Why would anyone want to?
Especially if the penalty for failure is to be dumped on a distant island
by the Australian Navy (in a strange reversal of historical roles)
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> Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
>
>> Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
>> the latest Australian passports.
>
> Why would anyone want to?
Especially if the penalty for failure is to be dumped on a distant island
by the Australian Navy (in a strange reversal of historical roles)
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Oct 12th 2004, 6:34 am
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
> 2. Australia is high on some supposed list of terrorist targets, and
> thus terrorists (gotta love that word) might want to enter the
> country.
How many terrorist attacks has Australia endured?
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> 2. Australia is high on some supposed list of terrorist targets, and
> thus terrorists (gotta love that word) might want to enter the
> country.
How many terrorist attacks has Australia endured?
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Oct 12th 2004, 7:06 am
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
>> 2. Australia is high on some supposed list of terrorist targets, and
>> thus terrorists (gotta love that word) might want to enter the
>> country.
> How many terrorist attacks has Australia endured?
How about the one they just got finished commemorating?
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> Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
>> 2. Australia is high on some supposed list of terrorist targets, and
>> thus terrorists (gotta love that word) might want to enter the
>> country.
> How many terrorist attacks has Australia endured?
How about the one they just got finished commemorating?
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Oct 12th 2004, 8:52 am
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Martin Bienwald <[email protected]> wrote in message
> For example, in Poland or Greece I've met a lot of people with whom I
> didn't speak any common language.
> However, they tried to communicate in any conceivable way, with hands,
> feet, pen and paper, and were really happy if I could even say "please"
> and "thank you" in the local language, however badly pronounced.
I couldnt agree more Martin. I think even if you know basic french or
can understand but not speak french well, If you mentioned louvre in
your broken franch the local could ask '<in french>Ah you are asking
where the museum is' or '<french>Ah you want to know if this is the
train to Versailles' then the visitor would only need to say Oui and
listen to the reply. And the french local would be happy too cause he
didnt have to speak or be spoken to in english.
In many cases following my attempt at asking if this is the train to
versailles the local simply stared blank saying Ne comprends pas etc.
Sam
> For example, in Poland or Greece I've met a lot of people with whom I
> didn't speak any common language.
> However, they tried to communicate in any conceivable way, with hands,
> feet, pen and paper, and were really happy if I could even say "please"
> and "thank you" in the local language, however badly pronounced.
I couldnt agree more Martin. I think even if you know basic french or
can understand but not speak french well, If you mentioned louvre in
your broken franch the local could ask '<in french>Ah you are asking
where the museum is' or '<french>Ah you want to know if this is the
train to Versailles' then the visitor would only need to say Oui and
listen to the reply. And the french local would be happy too cause he
didnt have to speak or be spoken to in english.
In many cases following my attempt at asking if this is the train to
versailles the local simply stared blank saying Ne comprends pas etc.
Sam
Oct 12th 2004, 9:21 am
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:06:45 -0500, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
wrote:
>Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
>>> 2. Australia is high on some supposed list of terrorist targets, and
>>> thus terrorists (gotta love that word) might want to enter the
>>> country.
>> How many terrorist attacks has Australia endured?
>How about the one they just got finished commemorating?
Ooh, yeah, that one was nasty. Looking forward to Bush getting
re-elected, just to hear 80+% of the planet despair in unison. Then
Blair, then Berlusconi. Anything else would send the signal that the
west is afraid of muslims, or something.
You know, I am starting to believe that invading Iraq is what Jesus
would have wanted!
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DFM
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>Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
>>> 2. Australia is high on some supposed list of terrorist targets, and
>>> thus terrorists (gotta love that word) might want to enter the
>>> country.
>> How many terrorist attacks has Australia endured?
>How about the one they just got finished commemorating?
Ooh, yeah, that one was nasty. Looking forward to Bush getting
re-elected, just to hear 80+% of the planet despair in unison. Then
Blair, then Berlusconi. Anything else would send the signal that the
west is afraid of muslims, or something.
You know, I am starting to believe that invading Iraq is what Jesus
would have wanted!
---
DFM
Oct 12th 2004, 9:43 am
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:40:56 +0200, Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:44:47 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>> Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
>>
>>> Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
>>> the latest Australian passports.
>>
>> Why would anyone want to?
>Especially if the penalty for failure is to be dumped on a distant island
>by the Australian Navy (in a strange reversal of historical roles)
And you know what? That policy has actually saved a hell of a lot of
lives by completely killing off the dodgy-as-hell people smuggling
trade to Oz. Strange how sometimes ruthless policies can actually do
what they are supposed to do.
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DFM
wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:44:47 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>> Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
>>
>>> Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
>>> the latest Australian passports.
>>
>> Why would anyone want to?
>Especially if the penalty for failure is to be dumped on a distant island
>by the Australian Navy (in a strange reversal of historical roles)
And you know what? That policy has actually saved a hell of a lot of
lives by completely killing off the dodgy-as-hell people smuggling
trade to Oz. Strange how sometimes ruthless policies can actually do
what they are supposed to do.
---
DFM
Oct 12th 2004, 3:47 pm
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Miguel Cruz writes:
> How about the one they just got finished commemorating?
Which one was that?
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> How about the one they just got finished commemorating?
Which one was that?
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Oct 12th 2004, 3:47 pm
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Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
> You know, I am starting to believe that invading Iraq is what Jesus
> would have wanted!
That was Bush's main reason for doing so.
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That was Bush's main reason for doing so.
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Oct 12th 2004, 6:29 pm
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Miguel Cruz writes:
>> How about the one they just got finished commemorating?
> Which one was that?
The one that killed almost as many Australians per-capita as September 11
did Americans.
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> Miguel Cruz writes:
>> How about the one they just got finished commemorating?
> Which one was that?
The one that killed almost as many Australians per-capita as September 11
did Americans.
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Oct 12th 2004, 7:29 pm
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:43:01 GMT, Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:40:56 +0200, Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:44:47 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>>> Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
>>>
>>>> Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
>>>> the latest Australian passports.
>>>
>>> Why would anyone want to?
>>Especially if the penalty for failure is to be dumped on a distant island
>>by the Australian Navy (in a strange reversal of historical roles)
>
> And you know what? That policy has actually saved a hell of a lot of
> lives by completely killing off the dodgy-as-hell people smuggling
> trade to Oz. Strange how sometimes ruthless policies can actually do
> what they are supposed to do.
> ---
> DFM
But if they'd all had Australian passports they'd be happily living in Oz.
Which was the point, I think.
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> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:40:56 +0200, Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:44:47 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>>> Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
>>>
>>>> Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
>>>> the latest Australian passports.
>>>
>>> Why would anyone want to?
>>Especially if the penalty for failure is to be dumped on a distant island
>>by the Australian Navy (in a strange reversal of historical roles)
>
> And you know what? That policy has actually saved a hell of a lot of
> lives by completely killing off the dodgy-as-hell people smuggling
> trade to Oz. Strange how sometimes ruthless policies can actually do
> what they are supposed to do.
> ---
> DFM
But if they'd all had Australian passports they'd be happily living in Oz.
Which was the point, I think.
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Oct 13th 2004, 2:42 am
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Miguel Cruz writes:
> The one that killed almost as many Australians per-capita as September 11
> did Americans.
A statistically insignificant loss, then?
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> The one that killed almost as many Australians per-capita as September 11
> did Americans.
A statistically insignificant loss, then?
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