French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
Oct 10th 2004, 10:38 pm
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:19:20 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:08:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>The French treat tourists the same way they treat each other.
>>>"Paris' main airport Charles de Gaulle/Roissy, which handles almost 50
>>>million passengers a year, was singled out for a particular slating.
>>>Surly staff, slow baggage handlers, a lack of "Welcome to France"
>>>signs, <blah de blah..>"
>>
>> What makes you think they welcome anyone to France?
>>
>>>At least you can't accuse the French of being hypocrites. :-)
>>
>> You can't? You mean criticizing us for being in Iraq after over a
>> dozen resolutions while having invaded various African countries more
>> that 30 times since 1960 without any UN participation whatsoever,
>> including the Ivory Coast where they replaced a democratically elected
>> government while the Iraq invasion was going on, doesn't qualify?
>What's that got to do with a lack of "Welcome to France" signs in CdG
>airport?
It doesn't. I was just answering the guy's question.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:08:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>The French treat tourists the same way they treat each other.
>>>"Paris' main airport Charles de Gaulle/Roissy, which handles almost 50
>>>million passengers a year, was singled out for a particular slating.
>>>Surly staff, slow baggage handlers, a lack of "Welcome to France"
>>>signs, <blah de blah..>"
>>
>> What makes you think they welcome anyone to France?
>>
>>>At least you can't accuse the French of being hypocrites. :-)
>>
>> You can't? You mean criticizing us for being in Iraq after over a
>> dozen resolutions while having invaded various African countries more
>> that 30 times since 1960 without any UN participation whatsoever,
>> including the Ivory Coast where they replaced a democratically elected
>> government while the Iraq invasion was going on, doesn't qualify?
>What's that got to do with a lack of "Welcome to France" signs in CdG
>airport?
It doesn't. I was just answering the guy's question.
Oct 10th 2004, 10:39 pm
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:20:06 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'll take the fingerprints myself, which are at least
>> legitimate anti-terrorist measures.
>Debatable.
So debate then and don't wonder how those terrorists got through again
when they weren't fingerprinted so they could be cross-checked.
Everyone who has ever been in the military has been fingerprinted. No
one complained then about any of this crap. What's the big deal if
you have nothing to hide?
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'll take the fingerprints myself, which are at least
>> legitimate anti-terrorist measures.
>Debatable.
So debate then and don't wonder how those terrorists got through again
when they weren't fingerprinted so they could be cross-checked.
Everyone who has ever been in the military has been fingerprinted. No
one complained then about any of this crap. What's the big deal if
you have nothing to hide?
Oct 11th 2004, 1:56 am
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:39:50 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:20:06 +0200, Tim Challenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> I'll take the fingerprints myself, which are at least
>>> legitimate anti-terrorist measures.
>>Debatable.
>
> So debate then and don't wonder how those terrorists got through again
> when they weren't fingerprinted so they could be cross-checked.
> Everyone who has ever been in the military has been fingerprinted. No
> one complained then about any of this crap. What's the big deal if
> you have nothing to hide?
I suppose they didn't have passports with them either?
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> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:20:06 +0200, Tim Challenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> I'll take the fingerprints myself, which are at least
>>> legitimate anti-terrorist measures.
>>Debatable.
>
> So debate then and don't wonder how those terrorists got through again
> when they weren't fingerprinted so they could be cross-checked.
> Everyone who has ever been in the military has been fingerprinted. No
> one complained then about any of this crap. What's the big deal if
> you have nothing to hide?
I suppose they didn't have passports with them either?
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Oct 11th 2004, 2:09 am
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:56:06 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:39:50 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:20:06 +0200, Tim Challenger
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'll take the fingerprints myself, which are at least
>>>> legitimate anti-terrorist measures.
>>>Debatable.
>>
>> So debate then and don't wonder how those terrorists got through again
>> when they weren't fingerprinted so they could be cross-checked.
>> Everyone who has ever been in the military has been fingerprinted. No
>> one complained then about any of this crap. What's the big deal if
>> you have nothing to hide?
>I suppose they didn't have passports with them either?
DNA sampling next.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:39:50 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:20:06 +0200, Tim Challenger
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'll take the fingerprints myself, which are at least
>>>> legitimate anti-terrorist measures.
>>>Debatable.
>>
>> So debate then and don't wonder how those terrorists got through again
>> when they weren't fingerprinted so they could be cross-checked.
>> Everyone who has ever been in the military has been fingerprinted. No
>> one complained then about any of this crap. What's the big deal if
>> you have nothing to hide?
>I suppose they didn't have passports with them either?
DNA sampling next.
Oct 11th 2004, 2:24 am
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Ellie C <[email protected]> wrote:
>A few years ago I read an article in perhaps The Nation where they
>compared treatment of panhandlers in New York and in a small town in the
>Midwest. They were investigating not how people reacted to the first
>panhaldner, but to the 4th or 5th one they met in a certain small amount
>of time. Invariably, the New Yorkers were more polite.
I suspect that they were more used to panhandlers.
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>A few years ago I read an article in perhaps The Nation where they
>compared treatment of panhandlers in New York and in a small town in the
>Midwest. They were investigating not how people reacted to the first
>panhaldner, but to the 4th or 5th one they met in a certain small amount
>of time. Invariably, the New Yorkers were more polite.
I suspect that they were more used to panhandlers.
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Oct 11th 2004, 2:58 am
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:52:48 -0700, Go Fig wrote:
> You are
> woefully naive if you do not think that biometric ID is not in your
> future for international travel.
It might be inevitable, but that doesn't mean it should be welcomed with
open arms, nor considered critically.
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> You are
> woefully naive if you do not think that biometric ID is not in your
> future for international travel.
It might be inevitable, but that doesn't mean it should be welcomed with
open arms, nor considered critically.
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Oct 11th 2004, 4:38 am
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
Padraig Breathnach wrote:
> Ellie C <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>A few years ago I read an article in perhaps The Nation where they
>>compared treatment of panhandlers in New York and in a small town in the
>>Midwest. They were investigating not how people reacted to the first
>>panhaldner, but to the 4th or 5th one they met in a certain small amount
>>of time. Invariably, the New Yorkers were more polite.
>
>
> I suspect that they were more used to panhandlers.
>
Yes, which could mean that New Yorkers have taught themselves to be
nicer than "normal" people when dealing with multiple panhandlers.
> Ellie C <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>A few years ago I read an article in perhaps The Nation where they
>>compared treatment of panhandlers in New York and in a small town in the
>>Midwest. They were investigating not how people reacted to the first
>>panhaldner, but to the 4th or 5th one they met in a certain small amount
>>of time. Invariably, the New Yorkers were more polite.
>
>
> I suspect that they were more used to panhandlers.
>
Yes, which could mean that New Yorkers have taught themselves to be
nicer than "normal" people when dealing with multiple panhandlers.
Oct 11th 2004, 4:50 am
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
In article <1097506716.xg3JYtDSn2KA4EafDITx1w@teranews>, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:52:48 -0700, Go Fig wrote:
>
> > You are
> > woefully naive if you do not think that biometric ID is not in your
> > future for international travel.
>
> It might be inevitable, but that doesn't mean it should be welcomed with
> open arms, nor considered critically.
Why, cause it can't be forged to the extent/ease that the photo or
signature with current passports can be ?
jay
Mon Oct 11, 2004
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<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:52:48 -0700, Go Fig wrote:
>
> > You are
> > woefully naive if you do not think that biometric ID is not in your
> > future for international travel.
>
> It might be inevitable, but that doesn't mean it should be welcomed with
> open arms, nor considered critically.
Why, cause it can't be forged to the extent/ease that the photo or
signature with current passports can be ?
jay
Mon Oct 11, 2004
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Oct 11th 2004, 10:08 am
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:17:03 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>jcoulter writes:
>> Just as one need not be hiding a cache of ak 47's to oppose gun
>> registration.
>Exactly.
>> ... and it occurs to me that the stricter control of arms
>> would be a helpful tool wouldn't it?
>A helpful tool for what?
>Guns are a problem when their ready availability is combined with an
>inherently violent culture, as in the United States. Ready availability
>alone isn't a problem.
Ah, but it's easier to control the availability that the culture.
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wrote:
>jcoulter writes:
>> Just as one need not be hiding a cache of ak 47's to oppose gun
>> registration.
>Exactly.
>> ... and it occurs to me that the stricter control of arms
>> would be a helpful tool wouldn't it?
>A helpful tool for what?
>Guns are a problem when their ready availability is combined with an
>inherently violent culture, as in the United States. Ready availability
>alone isn't a problem.
Ah, but it's easier to control the availability that the culture.
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DFM
Oct 11th 2004, 10:10 am
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:39:50 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:20:06 +0200, Tim Challenger
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I'll take the fingerprints myself, which are at least
>>> legitimate anti-terrorist measures.
>>Debatable.
>So debate then and don't wonder how those terrorists got through again
>when they weren't fingerprinted so they could be cross-checked.
>Everyone who has ever been in the military has been fingerprinted. No
>one complained then about any of this crap. What's the big deal if
>you have nothing to hide?
What's the big deal of being cavity searched if you have nothing to
hide?
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DFM
>On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:20:06 +0200, Tim Challenger
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I'll take the fingerprints myself, which are at least
>>> legitimate anti-terrorist measures.
>>Debatable.
>So debate then and don't wonder how those terrorists got through again
>when they weren't fingerprinted so they could be cross-checked.
>Everyone who has ever been in the military has been fingerprinted. No
>one complained then about any of this crap. What's the big deal if
>you have nothing to hide?
What's the big deal of being cavity searched if you have nothing to
hide?
---
DFM
Oct 11th 2004, 10:13 am
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:50:43 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <1097506716.xg3JYtDSn2KA4EafDITx1w@teranews>, Tim Challenger
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:52:48 -0700, Go Fig wrote:
>>
>> > You are
>> > woefully naive if you do not think that biometric ID is not in your
>> > future for international travel.
>>
>> It might be inevitable, but that doesn't mean it should be welcomed with
>> open arms, nor considered critically.
>Why, cause it can't be forged to the extent/ease that the photo or
>signature with current passports can be ?
Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
the latest Australian passports.
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DFM
>In article <1097506716.xg3JYtDSn2KA4EafDITx1w@teranews>, Tim Challenger
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:52:48 -0700, Go Fig wrote:
>>
>> > You are
>> > woefully naive if you do not think that biometric ID is not in your
>> > future for international travel.
>>
>> It might be inevitable, but that doesn't mean it should be welcomed with
>> open arms, nor considered critically.
>Why, cause it can't be forged to the extent/ease that the photo or
>signature with current passports can be ?
Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
the latest Australian passports.
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DFM
Oct 11th 2004, 2:20 pm
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Re: French gov admits snobbery a problem in tourism report
Sam wrote:
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...0/wfranc10.xml
>
> "Our attitude problem is not something to be proud of, says Paris
> politician"
>
> "Our bad image in this area, the arrogance we are accused of, our
> refusal to speak foreign languages, the sense we give that it's a
> great honour to visit us are among the ugly facts of which we should
> not be proud," reads the first paragraph of his report, commissioned
> by the government."
Odd, I've not encountered the mythical "arrogance" in any of
my visits to Paris! And why SHOULD they "speak foreign
languages"? They're French, fo heaven's sake! (I can
guarantee they are far less likely to encounter
French-speakers in the U.S. than Americans are to encounter
English-speakers in Paris!)
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...0/wfranc10.xml
>
> "Our attitude problem is not something to be proud of, says Paris
> politician"
>
> "Our bad image in this area, the arrogance we are accused of, our
> refusal to speak foreign languages, the sense we give that it's a
> great honour to visit us are among the ugly facts of which we should
> not be proud," reads the first paragraph of his report, commissioned
> by the government."
Odd, I've not encountered the mythical "arrogance" in any of
my visits to Paris! And why SHOULD they "speak foreign
languages"? They're French, fo heaven's sake! (I can
guarantee they are far less likely to encounter
French-speakers in the U.S. than Americans are to encounter
English-speakers in Paris!)
Oct 11th 2004, 4:44 pm
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Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
> Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
> the latest Australian passports.
Why would anyone want to?
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> Current passports of which country? I doubt anyone could forge one of
> the latest Australian passports.
Why would anyone want to?
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Oct 11th 2004, 4:45 pm
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Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
> Ah, but it's easier to control the availability that the culture.
Yes, whence the argument for gun control.
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> Ah, but it's easier to control the availability that the culture.
Yes, whence the argument for gun control.
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Oct 11th 2004, 4:45 pm
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
> Odd, I've not encountered the mythical "arrogance" in any of
> my visits to Paris!
Americans interpret a lack of back-slapping familiarity and friendliness
as "arrogance" in many cases.
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> Odd, I've not encountered the mythical "arrogance" in any of
> my visits to Paris!
Americans interpret a lack of back-slapping familiarity and friendliness
as "arrogance" in many cases.
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