France and French are Distinctly not European.
Aug 15th 2005, 6:08 am
#91
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
Lamb, grapes, olives, fish, vegetables, cereals and other such food
were introduced by the Phoenicians, Egyptians and Carthaginians. This
began at least in 2000 BC. The Mediterranean tradition is not European
mainly.
The European and Mediterranean meet in France and you can see this in
the culture and food. French character has all these characteristics.
Passion, for which French are famous, is not part of European character
which is more rational and mind-oriented. It may be Egyptian or
Phoenician. Joie de vivre is also not European and is probably African.
I understand Europe better than you.
were introduced by the Phoenicians, Egyptians and Carthaginians. This
began at least in 2000 BC. The Mediterranean tradition is not European
mainly.
The European and Mediterranean meet in France and you can see this in
the culture and food. French character has all these characteristics.
Passion, for which French are famous, is not part of European character
which is more rational and mind-oriented. It may be Egyptian or
Phoenician. Joie de vivre is also not European and is probably African.
I understand Europe better than you.
Aug 15th 2005, 10:18 pm
#92
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
Following up to [email protected]
>The European and Mediterranean meet in France and you can see this in
>the culture and food. French character has all these characteristics.
>Passion, for which French are famous, is not part of European character
>which is more rational and mind-oriented.
No, southern and northern european posibly meet in France.
Do you complain about the Scandinavian influences in the UK in
the same way?
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>The European and Mediterranean meet in France and you can see this in
>the culture and food. French character has all these characteristics.
>Passion, for which French are famous, is not part of European character
>which is more rational and mind-oriented.
No, southern and northern european posibly meet in France.
Do you complain about the Scandinavian influences in the UK in
the same way?
--
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Aug 15th 2005, 10:18 pm
#93
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
Following up to [email protected]
>> why do you think lamb. olive oil, cereals and wine, for instance,
>> are not European, even from much earlier times?
>Vocabulary of early Europeans had no words for them. Lamb, olives,
>cereals, grapes, wine did not exist in their early habitat. These came
>from Africa or the Middle East through the Egyptians, Carthaginians and
>Phoenicians.
Many of our foodstuffs came from what you might broadly call the
Middle East. Later a new wave of foodstuffs came from the
Americas. Coffee is an example of a food coming from the Middle
East, do you regard coffee as uneuropean?
Many of the english words for lamb and sheep come from Old Norse,
words like "tupp" and "wether". (The Vikings brought their sheep
with them).
Sheep were first introduced into Britain in Neolithic times.
You are saying early europeans had no words for cereals? how
"early" do you mean by early? The civilisations of the world are
all based upon moving from hunter gatherer to cultivation of
cereals, Europe included.
Putting aside the correctness of your individual assertions, why
do you believe that only the styles of the northern europeans are
validly european?
Southern Europe clearly has a warmer climate than the north, so
olives and grapes flourished there, why is that uneuropean?
In Spain, clearly in the south of Europe, there is an olive oil
culture in the south and a butter culture in the north, the
Basques could probably be described as more "serious" than the
Andalucians. Is half of Spain European and the other half not?
What is your motivation in wishing to exclude the cultures of
Southern Europe from Northern Europe?
--
Mike Reid
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>> why do you think lamb. olive oil, cereals and wine, for instance,
>> are not European, even from much earlier times?
>Vocabulary of early Europeans had no words for them. Lamb, olives,
>cereals, grapes, wine did not exist in their early habitat. These came
>from Africa or the Middle East through the Egyptians, Carthaginians and
>Phoenicians.
Many of our foodstuffs came from what you might broadly call the
Middle East. Later a new wave of foodstuffs came from the
Americas. Coffee is an example of a food coming from the Middle
East, do you regard coffee as uneuropean?
Many of the english words for lamb and sheep come from Old Norse,
words like "tupp" and "wether". (The Vikings brought their sheep
with them).
Sheep were first introduced into Britain in Neolithic times.
You are saying early europeans had no words for cereals? how
"early" do you mean by early? The civilisations of the world are
all based upon moving from hunter gatherer to cultivation of
cereals, Europe included.
Putting aside the correctness of your individual assertions, why
do you believe that only the styles of the northern europeans are
validly european?
Southern Europe clearly has a warmer climate than the north, so
olives and grapes flourished there, why is that uneuropean?
In Spain, clearly in the south of Europe, there is an olive oil
culture in the south and a butter culture in the north, the
Basques could probably be described as more "serious" than the
Andalucians. Is half of Spain European and the other half not?
What is your motivation in wishing to exclude the cultures of
Southern Europe from Northern Europe?
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
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Aug 16th 2005, 4:43 pm
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
[email protected] wrote:
> Lamb, grapes, olives, fish, vegetables, cereals and other such food
> were introduced by the Phoenicians, Egyptians and Carthaginians. This
> began at least in 2000 BC. The Mediterranean tradition is not European
> mainly.
> The European and Mediterranean meet in France and you can see this in
> the culture and food. French character has all these characteristics.
> Passion, for which French are famous, is not part of European character
> which is more rational and mind-oriented. It may be Egyptian or
> Phoenician. Joie de vivre is also not European and is probably African.
> I understand Europe better than you.
>
Olive trees cannot grow except in the southern fringe. So people always
used local products. Wineyard, with the exception of Champagne, does not
mature north of the Loire river. Until the developpement of transport,
in the 20th century, wine was imported in those regions and so reserved
to people who could afford it. Others commonly drank cider or beer.
So the diversity of french cooking is only related to the mixing of
population that occured first in the 19th century and increased in the
20th. The first world war was a source of culture mixing. hundred of
thousand of wounded soldiers were sent to heal in regions far from their
homes and some settled there and diffused their local culture.
All your arguments are very specious. Why don't you say that Ireland is
not European. They eat a huge quantity of potatoes that is truly not
european, the English drink tea, are you classifying them among the
chineses ? What you say does not make sense.
JE
> Lamb, grapes, olives, fish, vegetables, cereals and other such food
> were introduced by the Phoenicians, Egyptians and Carthaginians. This
> began at least in 2000 BC. The Mediterranean tradition is not European
> mainly.
> The European and Mediterranean meet in France and you can see this in
> the culture and food. French character has all these characteristics.
> Passion, for which French are famous, is not part of European character
> which is more rational and mind-oriented. It may be Egyptian or
> Phoenician. Joie de vivre is also not European and is probably African.
> I understand Europe better than you.
>
Olive trees cannot grow except in the southern fringe. So people always
used local products. Wineyard, with the exception of Champagne, does not
mature north of the Loire river. Until the developpement of transport,
in the 20th century, wine was imported in those regions and so reserved
to people who could afford it. Others commonly drank cider or beer.
So the diversity of french cooking is only related to the mixing of
population that occured first in the 19th century and increased in the
20th. The first world war was a source of culture mixing. hundred of
thousand of wounded soldiers were sent to heal in regions far from their
homes and some settled there and diffused their local culture.
All your arguments are very specious. Why don't you say that Ireland is
not European. They eat a huge quantity of potatoes that is truly not
european, the English drink tea, are you classifying them among the
chineses ? What you say does not make sense.
JE
Aug 16th 2005, 9:17 pm
#95
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
> Wineyard, with the exception of Champagne, does not mature north of
> the Loire river.
In some periods wine grapes were were cultivated in southern England.
They would grow there now.
>> The Mediterranean tradition is not European mainly.
So was Plato a kike or a nigger? Do tell.
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> the Loire river.
In some periods wine grapes were were cultivated in southern England.
They would grow there now.
>> The Mediterranean tradition is not European mainly.
So was Plato a kike or a nigger? Do tell.
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Aug 16th 2005, 9:56 pm
#96
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:17:39 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus address
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Wineyard, with the exception of Champagne, does not mature north of
>> the Loire river.
>In some periods wine grapes were were cultivated in southern England.
>They would grow there now.
They are cultivated in UK and NL and do grow there now. I have four
vines producing grapes in my garden. One of the vines is 31 years old
and has survived several very cold winters.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Wineyard, with the exception of Champagne, does not mature north of
>> the Loire river.
>In some periods wine grapes were were cultivated in southern England.
>They would grow there now.
They are cultivated in UK and NL and do grow there now. I have four
vines producing grapes in my garden. One of the vines is 31 years old
and has survived several very cold winters.
--
Martin
Aug 17th 2005, 6:12 am
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
The Reids wrote:
> Following up to [email protected]
> >> why do you think lamb. olive oil, cereals and wine, for instance,
> >> are not European, even from much earlier times?
> >
> >Vocabulary of early Europeans had no words for them. Lamb, olives,
> >cereals, grapes, wine did not exist in their early habitat. These came
> >from Africa or the Middle East through the Egyptians, Carthaginians and
> >Phoenicians.
> Many of our foodstuffs came from what you might broadly call the
> Middle East. Later a new wave of foodstuffs came from the
> Americas. Coffee is an example of a food coming from the Middle
> East, do you regard coffee as uneuropean?
The original Mediterranean culture was not European. They ate these
foods we are discussing. They lived on both sides of the Mediterranean
and this is where you are confused.
Coffee is un-European. It is very unhealthy also, like much of French
food, and we should stop drinking it.
> You are saying early europeans had no words for cereals? how
> "early" do you mean by early? The civilisations of the world are
> all based upon moving from hunter gatherer to cultivation of
> cereals, Europe included.
Cereals were already being cultivated in southern Europe before the
arrival of Europeans there.
Europeans were hunters when Carthaginians Phoenicians and Egyptians
especially were living a settled life in cities.
> Putting aside the correctness of your individual assertions, why
> do you believe that only the styles of the northern europeans are
> validly european?
Northern Europe is less corrupted culturally.
> Southern Europe clearly has a warmer climate than the north, so
> olives and grapes flourished there, why is that uneuropean?
The people planting them are un-European.
> Following up to [email protected]
> >> why do you think lamb. olive oil, cereals and wine, for instance,
> >> are not European, even from much earlier times?
> >
> >Vocabulary of early Europeans had no words for them. Lamb, olives,
> >cereals, grapes, wine did not exist in their early habitat. These came
> >from Africa or the Middle East through the Egyptians, Carthaginians and
> >Phoenicians.
> Many of our foodstuffs came from what you might broadly call the
> Middle East. Later a new wave of foodstuffs came from the
> Americas. Coffee is an example of a food coming from the Middle
> East, do you regard coffee as uneuropean?
The original Mediterranean culture was not European. They ate these
foods we are discussing. They lived on both sides of the Mediterranean
and this is where you are confused.
Coffee is un-European. It is very unhealthy also, like much of French
food, and we should stop drinking it.
> You are saying early europeans had no words for cereals? how
> "early" do you mean by early? The civilisations of the world are
> all based upon moving from hunter gatherer to cultivation of
> cereals, Europe included.
Cereals were already being cultivated in southern Europe before the
arrival of Europeans there.
Europeans were hunters when Carthaginians Phoenicians and Egyptians
especially were living a settled life in cities.
> Putting aside the correctness of your individual assertions, why
> do you believe that only the styles of the northern europeans are
> validly european?
Northern Europe is less corrupted culturally.
> Southern Europe clearly has a warmer climate than the north, so
> olives and grapes flourished there, why is that uneuropean?
The people planting them are un-European.
Aug 17th 2005, 6:12 am
#98
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
The Reids wrote:
> Following up to [email protected]
> >> why do you think lamb. olive oil, cereals and wine, for instance,
> >> are not European, even from much earlier times?
> >
> >Vocabulary of early Europeans had no words for them. Lamb, olives,
> >cereals, grapes, wine did not exist in their early habitat. These came
> >from Africa or the Middle East through the Egyptians, Carthaginians and
> >Phoenicians.
> Many of our foodstuffs came from what you might broadly call the
> Middle East. Later a new wave of foodstuffs came from the
> Americas. Coffee is an example of a food coming from the Middle
> East, do you regard coffee as uneuropean?
The original Mediterranean culture was not European. They ate these
foods we are discussing. They lived on both sides of the Mediterranean
and this is where you are confused.
Coffee is un-European. It is very unhealthy also, like much of French
food, and we should stop drinking it.
> You are saying early europeans had no words for cereals? how
> "early" do you mean by early? The civilisations of the world are
> all based upon moving from hunter gatherer to cultivation of
> cereals, Europe included.
Cereals were already being cultivated in southern Europe before the
arrival of Europeans there.
Europeans were hunters when Carthaginians Phoenicians and Egyptians
especially were living a settled life in cities.
> Putting aside the correctness of your individual assertions, why
> do you believe that only the styles of the northern europeans are
> validly european?
Northern Europe is less corrupted culturally.
> Southern Europe clearly has a warmer climate than the north, so
> olives and grapes flourished there, why is that uneuropean?
The people planting them are un-European.
> Following up to [email protected]
> >> why do you think lamb. olive oil, cereals and wine, for instance,
> >> are not European, even from much earlier times?
> >
> >Vocabulary of early Europeans had no words for them. Lamb, olives,
> >cereals, grapes, wine did not exist in their early habitat. These came
> >from Africa or the Middle East through the Egyptians, Carthaginians and
> >Phoenicians.
> Many of our foodstuffs came from what you might broadly call the
> Middle East. Later a new wave of foodstuffs came from the
> Americas. Coffee is an example of a food coming from the Middle
> East, do you regard coffee as uneuropean?
The original Mediterranean culture was not European. They ate these
foods we are discussing. They lived on both sides of the Mediterranean
and this is where you are confused.
Coffee is un-European. It is very unhealthy also, like much of French
food, and we should stop drinking it.
> You are saying early europeans had no words for cereals? how
> "early" do you mean by early? The civilisations of the world are
> all based upon moving from hunter gatherer to cultivation of
> cereals, Europe included.
Cereals were already being cultivated in southern Europe before the
arrival of Europeans there.
Europeans were hunters when Carthaginians Phoenicians and Egyptians
especially were living a settled life in cities.
> Putting aside the correctness of your individual assertions, why
> do you believe that only the styles of the northern europeans are
> validly european?
Northern Europe is less corrupted culturally.
> Southern Europe clearly has a warmer climate than the north, so
> olives and grapes flourished there, why is that uneuropean?
The people planting them are un-European.
Aug 17th 2005, 6:16 am
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The Roman Empire Was Distinctly not European.
So now we know that the Roman Empire was not european. I'm glad that
this significant civilization can be properly credited to the asians.
[email protected] wrote:
> The Reids wrote:
>
>>Following up to [email protected]
>>>>why do you think lamb. olive oil, cereals and wine, for instance,
>>>>are not European, even from much earlier times?
>>>Vocabulary of early Europeans had no words for them. Lamb, olives,
>>>cereals, grapes, wine did not exist in their early habitat. These came
>>>from Africa or the Middle East through the Egyptians, Carthaginians and
>>>Phoenicians.
>>Many of our foodstuffs came from what you might broadly call the
>>Middle East. Later a new wave of foodstuffs came from the
>>Americas. Coffee is an example of a food coming from the Middle
>>East, do you regard coffee as uneuropean?
>
>
> The original Mediterranean culture was not European. They ate these
> foods we are discussing. They lived on both sides of the Mediterranean
> and this is where you are confused.
> Coffee is un-European. It is very unhealthy also, like much of French
> food, and we should stop drinking it.
>
>
>>You are saying early europeans had no words for cereals? how
>>"early" do you mean by early? The civilisations of the world are
>>all based upon moving from hunter gatherer to cultivation of
>>cereals, Europe included.
>
>
> Cereals were already being cultivated in southern Europe before the
> arrival of Europeans there.
> Europeans were hunters when Carthaginians Phoenicians and Egyptians
> especially were living a settled life in cities.
>
>
>>Putting aside the correctness of your individual assertions, why
>>do you believe that only the styles of the northern europeans are
>>validly european?
>
>
> Northern Europe is less corrupted culturally.
>
>
>
>
>>Southern Europe clearly has a warmer climate than the north, so
>>olives and grapes flourished there, why is that uneuropean?
>
>
> The people planting them are un-European.
>
this significant civilization can be properly credited to the asians.
[email protected] wrote:
> The Reids wrote:
>
>>Following up to [email protected]
>>>>why do you think lamb. olive oil, cereals and wine, for instance,
>>>>are not European, even from much earlier times?
>>>Vocabulary of early Europeans had no words for them. Lamb, olives,
>>>cereals, grapes, wine did not exist in their early habitat. These came
>>>from Africa or the Middle East through the Egyptians, Carthaginians and
>>>Phoenicians.
>>Many of our foodstuffs came from what you might broadly call the
>>Middle East. Later a new wave of foodstuffs came from the
>>Americas. Coffee is an example of a food coming from the Middle
>>East, do you regard coffee as uneuropean?
>
>
> The original Mediterranean culture was not European. They ate these
> foods we are discussing. They lived on both sides of the Mediterranean
> and this is where you are confused.
> Coffee is un-European. It is very unhealthy also, like much of French
> food, and we should stop drinking it.
>
>
>>You are saying early europeans had no words for cereals? how
>>"early" do you mean by early? The civilisations of the world are
>>all based upon moving from hunter gatherer to cultivation of
>>cereals, Europe included.
>
>
> Cereals were already being cultivated in southern Europe before the
> arrival of Europeans there.
> Europeans were hunters when Carthaginians Phoenicians and Egyptians
> especially were living a settled life in cities.
>
>
>>Putting aside the correctness of your individual assertions, why
>>do you believe that only the styles of the northern europeans are
>>validly european?
>
>
> Northern Europe is less corrupted culturally.
>
>
>
>
>>Southern Europe clearly has a warmer climate than the north, so
>>olives and grapes flourished there, why is that uneuropean?
>
>
> The people planting them are un-European.
>
Aug 17th 2005, 6:22 am
#100
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
The Reids wrote:
> Following up to [email protected]
> >> why do you think lamb. olive oil, cereals and wine, for instance,
> >> are not European, even from much earlier times?
> >
> >Vocabulary of early Europeans had no words for them. Lamb, olives,
> >cereals, grapes, wine did not exist in their early habitat. These came
> >from Africa or the Middle East through the Egyptians, Carthaginians and
> >Phoenicians.
> In Spain, clearly in the south of Europe, there is an olive oil
> culture in the south and a butter culture in the north, the
> Basques could probably be described as more "serious" than the
> Andalucians. Is half of Spain European and the other half not?
The Basques are a serious people as Europe knows very well. They must
be taken seriously. Spain is a mixture of European, Egyptian,
Phoenician and maybe Arab. Africa may begin in the Pyrenees as we say.
> What is your motivation in wishing to exclude the cultures of
> Southern Europe from Northern Europe?
I am not excluding it. It is part of Europe. This discussion began when
we tried to understand why the French are so different in food and
culture and character, and asked "Pourquois?" when asked to vote for
the constitution. I found that this is because of the Mediterranean
influence which pre-existed Europeans.
> Following up to [email protected]
> >> why do you think lamb. olive oil, cereals and wine, for instance,
> >> are not European, even from much earlier times?
> >
> >Vocabulary of early Europeans had no words for them. Lamb, olives,
> >cereals, grapes, wine did not exist in their early habitat. These came
> >from Africa or the Middle East through the Egyptians, Carthaginians and
> >Phoenicians.
> In Spain, clearly in the south of Europe, there is an olive oil
> culture in the south and a butter culture in the north, the
> Basques could probably be described as more "serious" than the
> Andalucians. Is half of Spain European and the other half not?
The Basques are a serious people as Europe knows very well. They must
be taken seriously. Spain is a mixture of European, Egyptian,
Phoenician and maybe Arab. Africa may begin in the Pyrenees as we say.
> What is your motivation in wishing to exclude the cultures of
> Southern Europe from Northern Europe?
I am not excluding it. It is part of Europe. This discussion began when
we tried to understand why the French are so different in food and
culture and character, and asked "Pourquois?" when asked to vote for
the constitution. I found that this is because of the Mediterranean
influence which pre-existed Europeans.
Aug 17th 2005, 6:26 am
#101
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
The Irish know about beer, cows, dairy, beef and so no. Same with the
English.
English.
Aug 17th 2005, 8:55 am
#102
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
[email protected] wrote:
> The Irish know about beer, cows, dairy, beef and so no. Same with the
> English.
>
Always the same nonsense. The French knows about beer, cows, dairy, beef
http://lyoncervoiseclub.free.fr/bl-art1.htm
http://www.festivache.com/programme/race.aspx
http://www.danone.com/wps/portal/red...eCorporateIntl
http://www.cuisinorama.com/recettes/...celle_155.html
And regions consumming beer, butter, beef and so on voted againt the
constitutionnal treaty too. Even those who voted in favor of it noticed
that it not a really democratic one.
The population of France is not of phenician origin. Millenium after
millenium, tribes coming from central Asia where pushing German and
Belgians who intended to relocate themselves (read in "de bello gallico"
the motive Julius Caesar used to invade the part of Gaul that was not
allied to Rome). Many just crossed all Europe and setteled in Spain,
like the Visigoth, or in North Africa, like Vandals. Other of those
northern tribes went to Italy and settled there.
The Roman and the Gauls had many commercial exchanges. Gauls imported
Roman wine by thousands of amphora. Then gallo-romans educated in Rome
began growing wine in France. They adopted the roman way of life, not
the egiptian or the phenician one that had been destroyed with Cartago.
The Irish adopted the potato from the French, they did not become native
american minded. The English began drinking tea, they did not become
chinese minded. Your theory is just a foolish one, not to say worse.
JE
> The Irish know about beer, cows, dairy, beef and so no. Same with the
> English.
>
Always the same nonsense. The French knows about beer, cows, dairy, beef
http://lyoncervoiseclub.free.fr/bl-art1.htm
http://www.festivache.com/programme/race.aspx
http://www.danone.com/wps/portal/red...eCorporateIntl
http://www.cuisinorama.com/recettes/...celle_155.html
And regions consumming beer, butter, beef and so on voted againt the
constitutionnal treaty too. Even those who voted in favor of it noticed
that it not a really democratic one.
The population of France is not of phenician origin. Millenium after
millenium, tribes coming from central Asia where pushing German and
Belgians who intended to relocate themselves (read in "de bello gallico"
the motive Julius Caesar used to invade the part of Gaul that was not
allied to Rome). Many just crossed all Europe and setteled in Spain,
like the Visigoth, or in North Africa, like Vandals. Other of those
northern tribes went to Italy and settled there.
The Roman and the Gauls had many commercial exchanges. Gauls imported
Roman wine by thousands of amphora. Then gallo-romans educated in Rome
began growing wine in France. They adopted the roman way of life, not
the egiptian or the phenician one that had been destroyed with Cartago.
The Irish adopted the potato from the French, they did not become native
american minded. The English began drinking tea, they did not become
chinese minded. Your theory is just a foolish one, not to say worse.
JE
Aug 18th 2005, 10:09 pm
#103
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
Following up to Jack Campin - bogus address
>> Wineyard, with the exception of Champagne, does not mature north of
>> the Loire river.
>In some periods wine grapes were were cultivated in southern England.
>They would grow there now.
They do grow here now and commercially. I have grapevines myself.
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>> Wineyard, with the exception of Champagne, does not mature north of
>> the Loire river.
>In some periods wine grapes were were cultivated in southern England.
>They would grow there now.
They do grow here now and commercially. I have grapevines myself.
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Aug 18th 2005, 10:09 pm
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
Following up to [email protected]
>The Irish know about beer, cows, dairy, beef and so no. Same with the
>English.
the Spanish know about beef, heard of bullfighting?
the English know about lamb.
the Spanish know all about dairy and cows.
I see no correlation before food and EU voting.
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>The Irish know about beer, cows, dairy, beef and so no. Same with the
>English.
the Spanish know about beef, heard of bullfighting?
the English know about lamb.
the Spanish know all about dairy and cows.
I see no correlation before food and EU voting.
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Aug 18th 2005, 10:09 pm
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Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
Following up to [email protected]
>> What is your motivation in wishing to exclude the cultures of
>> Southern Europe from Northern Europe?
>I am not excluding it. It is part of Europe. This discussion began when
>we tried to understand why the French are so different in food and
>culture and character, and asked "Pourquois?" when asked to vote for
>the constitution. I found that this is because of the Mediterranean
>influence which pre-existed Europeans.
so you think France voted "non" because it eats Mediterranean
food! Why did Holland vote "non"? Why will UK if it gets a
chance?
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>> What is your motivation in wishing to exclude the cultures of
>> Southern Europe from Northern Europe?
>I am not excluding it. It is part of Europe. This discussion began when
>we tried to understand why the French are so different in food and
>culture and character, and asked "Pourquois?" when asked to vote for
>the constitution. I found that this is because of the Mediterranean
>influence which pre-existed Europeans.
so you think France voted "non" because it eats Mediterranean
food! Why did Holland vote "non"? Why will UK if it gets a
chance?
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Mike Reid
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