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Old Jul 27th 2005, 4:57 am
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Timothy Kroesen
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...and you complained of your Mother's cooking...!

Tim K

"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On 27/07/05 12:17, in article
[email protected],
    > "Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Frogs EAT insects.
    > People do too. I have enjoyed cold beer and garlic fried
    > crickets in Taiwan.
 
Old Jul 27th 2005, 6:43 am
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Mr. Noise Guy wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >> With Frances decision on the Constitution...
    > Hey, I'm American, and I don't blame the French (and the Dutch) for
    > voting against ratifying the EU Constitution. I read it and I'm sorry,
    > the only way I can describe it is that it belongs in the toilet bowl
    > (for those of you in Rio Linda: that means it's a piece of shit :-)).
    > No American would've approved of an EU-like Constitution in the late
    > 1780's.

We aren't asking US Americans to approve it and this is 2005.
 
Old Jul 27th 2005, 11:01 am
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John of Aix wrote:
    > Mr. Noise Guy wrote:
    > > [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >> With Frances decision on the Constitution...
    > >
    > > Hey, I'm American, and I don't blame the French (and the Dutch) for
    > > voting against ratifying the EU Constitution. I read it and I'm sorry,
    > > the only way I can describe it is that it belongs in the toilet bowl
    > > (for those of you in Rio Linda: that means it's a piece of shit :-)).
    > > No American would've approved of an EU-like Constitution in the late
    > > 1780's.
    > We aren't asking US Americans to approve it and this is 2005.

Who said you did, and I'm very glad that our calendars are on the same
wavelength. That way we can both agree that this is the year 2005.

--Mr. Noise Guy
Orangevale, California, U.S.A.
 
Old Jul 27th 2005, 12:25 pm
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Earl Evleth wrote:
    > On 27/07/05 16:48, in article [email protected],
    > "DDT Filled Mormons" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    > > I like cold beer and garlic fried frog's legs. Wonderful if you can
    > > get them fresh.
    > I find the frog legs are much less frequently encountered in
    > France than 30 years ago.
    > Two other drop out are a good cheese board (found now and then)
    > and a basket of fruit.
    > In the 60s we used to stay in a pension hotel in Menton.
    > The meals at lunch were slightly larger than at dinner
    > but a good meal consisted of
    > 1) entry plate
    > 2) main plate
    > 3) small green salad
    > 4) cheese board
    > 5) fruit basket
    > At dinner the first plate was soup.
    > One alternate expression for going to the table "a la table"
    > was "a la soupe", the latter was lower class.

I was in Menton in 1960 and remember the same thing. I had a (Dutch)
great-uncle (my mom's uncle) who lived there and my mom and I visited
him. I was on leave from the U.S. Air Force. I liked the area of
Menton. Unfortunately we had bad weather (in summer, which is unusual).
It rained continuously for the week we were there. But I have
especially fond memories of a 1955 (I was 17 years old) hitch-hiking
trip I took with a friend of mine (starting in the Netherlands). When
we reached Paris, we were lucky to get a ride all the way to the
Riviera, in a Citroen "deux cheveaux" A.K.A. "ugly duckling" and we
wound up at nearby Agay, where we camped for a week. We snorkled every
day and lived very simply (we were on a very, very low budget), and had
a marvelous time. The water was clear, with many fish I had never seen
before, and the surroundings were beautiful. Is it still the same now?

--Mr. Noise Guy
Orangevale, California, U.S.A.
 
Old Jul 27th 2005, 12:37 pm
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On 26 Jul 2005 15:52:56 -0700, "Mr. Noise Guy"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >[email protected] wrote:
    >> With Frances decision on the Constitution...
    >Hey, I'm American, and I don't blame the French (and the Dutch) for
    >voting against ratifying the EU Constitution. I read it and I'm sorry,
    >the only way I can describe it is that it belongs in the toilet bowl
    >(for those of you in Rio Linda: that means it's a piece of shit :-)).
    >No American would've approved of an EU-like Constitution in the late
    >1780's.

Liar, you haven't read it.
 
Old Jul 27th 2005, 1:27 pm
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Walter B. wrote:
    > On 26 Jul 2005 15:52:56 -0700, "Mr. Noise Guy"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >[email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >> With Frances decision on the Constitution...
    > >
    > >Hey, I'm American, and I don't blame the French (and the Dutch) for
    > >voting against ratifying the EU Constitution. I read it and I'm sorry,
    > >the only way I can describe it is that it belongs in the toilet bowl
    > >(for those of you in Rio Linda: that means it's a piece of shit :-)).
    > >No American would've approved of an EU-like Constitution in the late
    > >1780's.
    > >
    > Liar, you haven't read it.

Why, for heaven's sake, would I lie about that? It's on the Internet. I
read the main passages and in my opinion it stinks. I'm with the
majority opinions of the French and the Dutch. Do you have anymore
'constructive' criticisms? Or are you some leftist slob who would
rather have individual rights taken away? I've made my nationality
clear. What's yours?
 
Old Jul 27th 2005, 7:23 pm
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On 28/07/05 2:25, in article
[email protected] om, "Mr. Noise Guy"
<[email protected]> wrote:


    >
    > I was in Menton in 1960 and remember the same thing. I had a (Dutch)
    > great-uncle (my mom's uncle) who lived there and my mom and I visited
    > him. I was on leave from the U.S. Air Force. I liked the area of
    > Menton. Unfortunately we had bad weather (in summer, which is unusual).
    > It rained continuously for the week we were there.

Exceptional in the summer but the mountains behind this part of the
Cote d'Azur collect clouds and I can see it happening!

Menton always had a lot of foreigners, many British and a lot
of the old hotels (Winter Palace etc) now converted to apartments
had English names. We first went in 1963 (and later) and in the 60s
there were still a number of old Brits who served in WWII, we
met Dennis Rake, who as the radio operator for Nancy Wake,
an Australian woman who ran the resistance in the Avergne
(ran it on the basis she controlled the parachutages from
England, the French male resistance leaders did not appreciate
her control at the beginning). Anyway, this old set of Brits
spent their later years drinking gin and tonics in Menton. They
were all gone by the mid-70s. The old cemetery has a lot
of British buried there, it was once considered a place
to go for tuberculosis, Later people headed for the Alps,
the Magic Mountain of Davos became the place to go.

Menton is now mainly filled by Italians in the summer. They tried
to seize the area in 1940 but their armed forces could only
push into France a few kilometers. The Germans gave them
the area over to Nice to manage for a while.

    > But I have
    > especially fond memories of a 1955 (I was 17 years old) hitch-hiking
    > trip I took with a friend of mine (starting in the Netherlands). When
    > we reached Paris, we were lucky to get a ride all the way to the
    > Riviera, in a Citroen "deux cheveaux" A.K.A. "ugly duckling" and we
    > wound up at nearby Agay, where we camped for a week. We snorkled every
    > day and lived very simply (we were on a very, very low budget), and had
    > a marvelous time. The water was clear, with many fish I had never seen
    > before, and the surroundings were beautiful. Is it still the same now?
    >

At one time the Dutch had the reputation of being the cheapest tourists
that came to France. I remember in an article in France Soir in the
early 70s of a list of money spent according to nationality. The
Americans at that time were tops, maybe averaging $50/day n-years ago.
The Japanese had not yet arrived so I think 2nd on the list
were the Germans at maybe $25/day. The rock bottom were the Dutch
at $2.50/day. The Dutch were not so rich in those days, or maybe
just careful with their money

Earl
 
Old Jul 27th 2005, 8:10 pm
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:23:36 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:


    >At one time the Dutch had the reputation of being the cheapest tourists
    >that came to France. I remember in an article in France Soir in the
    >early 70s of a list of money spent according to nationality. The
    >Americans at that time were tops, maybe averaging $50/day n-years ago.
    >The Japanese had not yet arrived so I think 2nd on the list
    >were the Germans at maybe $25/day. The rock bottom were the Dutch
    >at $2.50/day.

Spent on petrol!

    > The Dutch were not so rich in those days, or maybe
    >just careful with their money

Discuss: The Dutch make the Scottish look generous.
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Old Jul 27th 2005, 8:40 pm
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On 27 Jul 2005 18:27:38 -0700, "Mr. Noise Guy"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Walter B. wrote:
    >> On 26 Jul 2005 15:52:56 -0700, "Mr. Noise Guy"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >[email protected] wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> With Frances decision on the Constitution...
    >> >
    >> >Hey, I'm American, and I don't blame the French (and the Dutch) for
    >> >voting against ratifying the EU Constitution. I read it and I'm sorry,
    >> >the only way I can describe it is that it belongs in the toilet bowl
    >> >(for those of you in Rio Linda: that means it's a piece of shit :-)).
    >> >No American would've approved of an EU-like Constitution in the late
    >> >1780's.
    >> >
    >> Liar, you haven't read it.
    >Why, for heaven's sake, would I lie about that? It's on the Internet. I
    >read the main passages and in my opinion it stinks.

Not quite what you said originally.

So which of the main passages stink?
Most of the main passages including the ones some French objected to
were in the Treaty of Rome.

    > I'm with the
    >majority opinions of the French and the Dutch. Do you have anymore
    >'constructive' criticisms? Or are you some leftist slob who would
    >rather have individual rights taken away? I've made my nationality
    >clear. What's yours?

Us Brits normally accept a pint.
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Old Jul 27th 2005, 8:58 pm
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On 27 Jul 2005 18:27:38 -0700, "Mr. Noise Guy"
<[email protected]> wrote:


    >Why, for heaven's sake, would I lie about that? It's on the Internet. I
    >read the main passages and in my opinion it stinks. I'm with the
    >majority opinions of the French and the Dutch. Do you have anymore
    >'constructive' criticisms? Or are you some leftist slob who would
    >rather have individual rights taken away? I've made my nationality
    >clear. What's yours?

Which part/s stink?
(and don't reply "all of it")
Which individual rights are taken away? Quote, please.
I am European, a place where we don't have the Patriot Act.
 
Old Jul 27th 2005, 9:00 pm
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Following up to Walter B.

    >Or are you some leftist slob who would
    >>rather have individual rights taken away? I've made my nationality
    >>clear. What's yours?
    >Which part/s stink?
    >(and don't reply "all of it")
    >Which individual rights are taken away? Quote, please.
    >I am European, a place where we don't have the Patriot Act.

if someone includes "leftish slob" in thier text, they are most
likely loonies.
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Old Jul 27th 2005, 10:02 pm
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In article <[email protected]>, Walter B.
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > On 27 Jul 2005 18:27:38 -0700, "Mr. Noise Guy"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >
    >
    > >
    > >Why, for heaven's sake, would I lie about that? It's on the Internet. I
    > >read the main passages and in my opinion it stinks. I'm with the
    > >majority opinions of the French and the Dutch. Do you have anymore
    > >'constructive' criticisms? Or are you some leftist slob who would
    > >rather have individual rights taken away? I've made my nationality
    > >clear. What's yours?
    >
    > Which part/s stink?
    > (and don't reply "all of it")
    > Which individual rights are taken away? Quote, please.
    > I am European, a place where we don't have the Patriot Act.

Tell me, did the proposed Constitution grant you the Right not to
inform the government where you reside or the Right not to carry ID ?
How about the Right to reasonable bail during adjudication of criminal
charges ?

jay
Thu Jul 28, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
 
Old Jul 27th 2005, 10:10 pm
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Martin
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:02:46 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Walter B.
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On 27 Jul 2005 18:27:38 -0700, "Mr. Noise Guy"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >
    >>
    >> >
    >> >Why, for heaven's sake, would I lie about that? It's on the Internet. I
    >> >read the main passages and in my opinion it stinks. I'm with the
    >> >majority opinions of the French and the Dutch. Do you have anymore
    >> >'constructive' criticisms? Or are you some leftist slob who would
    >> >rather have individual rights taken away? I've made my nationality
    >> >clear. What's yours?
    >>
    >> Which part/s stink?
    >> (and don't reply "all of it")
    >> Which individual rights are taken away? Quote, please.
    >> I am European, a place where we don't have the Patriot Act.
    >Tell me, did the proposed Constitution grant you the Right not to
    >inform the government where you reside or the Right not to carry ID ?

The requirement to register and carry ID is in most EU countries
national legislation. The only exception I am aware of UK.
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Old Jul 27th 2005, 10:21 pm
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    > From: "Timothy Kroesen" <[email protected]>
    > Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
    > Newsgroups: soc.culture.french,rec.travel.europe
    > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:57:50 GMT
    > Subject: Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
    >
    > ...and you complained of your Mother's cooking...!
    >
    > Tim K

Because it did not include garlic fried crickets:-)

Donna Evleth
    >
    > "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:BF0D348F.73C15%[email protected]...
    >> On 27/07/05 12:17, in article
    > [email protected],
    >> "Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Frogs EAT insects.
    >>
    >> People do too. I have enjoyed cold beer and garlic fried
    >> crickets in Taiwan.
    >>
    >
 
Old Jul 27th 2005, 10:27 pm
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:21:51 +0200, Donna Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >> From: "Timothy Kroesen" <[email protected]>
    >> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
    >> Newsgroups: soc.culture.french,rec.travel.europe
    >> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:57:50 GMT
    >> Subject: Re: France and French are Distinctly not European.
    >>
    >> ...and you complained of your Mother's cooking...!
    >>
    >> Tim K
    >Because it did not include garlic fried crickets:-)

At the moment garlic fried locusts are popular just north of Toulouse.
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