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    > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
    > >
    > > Miguel Cruz wrote:
    > >
    > >>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>Yeah, I was fortunate to find a "code-free", "region-free" DVD player
    > >>>with a built-in PAL/NTSC converter, thanks to the internet. Also
    > >>>"Macromedia disabled"
    > >>
    > >>I think you mean Macrovision.
    > >>
    > >>"Macromedia" is the company that makes, among other things, Flash (the
    > >>animation software that facilitiates so many of the goofy things on web
    > >>sites and email forwards).
    > >
    > >
    > > That may well be what is meant, but everyone I've spoken with about it
    > > says "Macromedia". It's the function that prevents re-recording a
    > > commercial DVD (which is of course illegal if the material is
    > > copyrighted), so I don't suppose it much matters whether it's really
    > > disabled or not. (Any DVD's I'd be likely to want to tape on my VCR
    > > would be "pirates" anyway.)
    > As I understand it recording a copyrighted DVD is perfectly legal for
    > archival purposes. It is defeating the security system that has been
    > made illegal.

Sorry, that's not true. The US Copyright Act permits archiving of computer
software, only. I suppose an argument can be made that a DVD is computer
software but, to my knowledge, this has never been tested. However,
software archiving notwithstanding, it is NOT legal to make a copy of a DVD
for archival purposes.


    > Frank Matthews
    > >>miguel
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    > >

You are correct. I was referring to the US media company attempts to
thwart the copyright laws.

Frank Matthews

Owain wrote:
    > "Frank Matthews" wrote
    > | As I understand it recording a copyrighted DVD is perfectly legal for
    > | archival purposes. It is defeating the security system that has been
    > | made illegal.

    > Not in some countries - I think it has been held to be legal in a recent
    > court case in Sweden.

    > Owain

The DMCA makes it illegal, but the DMCA applies only in the U.S.

"Owain" a écrit dans le message de news:
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    > "Frank Matthews" wrote
    > | As I understand it recording a copyrighted DVD is perfectly legal for
    > | archival purposes. It is defeating the security system that has been
    > | made illegal.
    > Not in some countries - I think it has been held to be legal in a recent
    > court case in Sweden.
    > Owain

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    > I suppose an argument can be made that a DVD is computer
    > software but, to my knowledge, this has never been tested.

DVDs do indeed contain computer software, although they also contain data
(the movie, for example).

Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

    >> I wish we had those hedgehog - flavoured crisps over here in the States.....
    >Um.... "hedgehog" flavoured?

"hedgehog crisps" is a better description.
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"The Reid" wrote
    | Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
    | >> I wish we had those hedgehog - flavoured crisps over here in the
States.....
    | >Um.... "hedgehog" flavoured?
    | "hedgehog crisps" is a better description.

They never actually contained any real hedgehog though, so "hedgehog
flavoured".

Owain

"The Reid" wrote in message
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    > Following up to Owain
    > >| >Um.... "hedgehog" flavoured?
    > >| "hedgehog crisps" is a better description.
    > >
    > >They never actually contained any real hedgehog though, so "hedgehog
    > >flavoured".
    > now theres an interestingish thing, I felt "hedghog crisps" could be
    > anything (Mars bars dont contain red planet after all) but "hedgehog
    > flavoured" should contain real hedgehog extract.

Ah, but Mars bars are made by the Mars Candy Co, owned (now) by a second
generation of the Mars family. Headquarters in an unmarked building in the
Virginia suburbs of Washington, DC.

Following up to Owain

    >| >Um.... "hedgehog" flavoured?
    >| "hedgehog crisps" is a better description.
    >They never actually contained any real hedgehog though, so "hedgehog
    >flavoured".

now theres an interestingish thing, I felt "hedghog crisps" could be
anything (Mars bars dont contain red planet after all) but "hedgehog
flavoured" should contain real hedgehog extract. Some chemical
flavouring would not be sufficient and to my mind would be a fraud, a
little like (but not the same) lemonade that tastes like sugary water
and which IMO should be sold as "Sugary water".
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
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"The Reid" wrote
    | Following up to Owain
    | >| >Um.... "hedgehog" flavoured?
    | >| "hedgehog crisps" is a better description.
    | >They never actually contained any real hedgehog though, so "hedgehog
    | >flavoured".
    | now theres an interestingish thing, I felt "hedghog crisps" could be
    | anything (Mars bars dont contain red planet after all) but "hedgehog
    | flavoured" should contain real hedgehog extract.

I think it depends on whether they are "flavour" or "flavoured", and I think
I meant to say the crisps were "hedgehog flavour" rather than "hedgehog
flavoured".

'It is important to realise that the words 'flavoured' and 'flavour' have
very different meanings, e.g. vanilla flavoured icing derives its flavour
only from real vanilla but vanilla flavour icing is synthetically flavoured.
If neither word is used e.g. Vanilla Slice, then the flavour must be only
from natural vanilla.' [2]

In Canada, '"Cherry ice cream" is expected to contain some cherry ingredient
such as cherries or cherry extract or natural cherry flavour, but "cherry
flavoured ice cream" could simply contain artificial cherry flavour.' [1]

Owain


[1]
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/.../potpome.shtml

[2]
http://www.denbighshire.gov.uk/CE/tr...80256763004d85
27/92d9bedc61ceefe8802569680038c3c7?OpenDocument
and
http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/sccwebsit...PagesByTITLE_R
TF/Food+-+labelling+for+bakers?opendocument

Following up to R J Carpenter

    >> now theres an interestingish thing, I felt "hedghog crisps" could be
    >> anything (Mars bars dont contain red planet after all) but "hedgehog
    >> flavoured" should contain real hedgehog extract.
    >Ah, but Mars bars are made by the Mars Candy Co, owned (now) by a second
    >generation of the Mars family. Headquarters in an unmarked building in the
    >Virginia suburbs of Washington, DC.

Well, perhaps Hedgehog crisps were first made by Mr Hedgehog? :-)

(Birdseye is another company unexpectedly named after its creator)
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Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
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The Reid wrote:
    >
    > Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
    >
    > >> I wish we had those hedgehog - flavoured crisps over here in the States.....
    > >
    > >Um.... "hedgehog" flavoured?
    >
    > "hedgehog crisps" is a better description.

But what ARE they? I know what "crisps" are, but why "hedgehog"? (Which
I understand to be a prickly little animal with spines like a porcupine
which, when it feels threatened, rolls itself into a ball, spines
projecting outward.) I don't think they're considered edible, so why
"hedgehog flavoured"?

Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

    >But what ARE they? I know what "crisps" are, but why "hedgehog"? (Which
    >I understand to be a prickly little animal with spines like a porcupine
    >which, when it feels threatened, rolls itself into a ball, spines
    >projecting outward.) I don't think they're considered edible, so why
    >"hedgehog flavoured"?

They certainly are considered edible, baked in clay, which removes the
spines.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
London & the British hills "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
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