Al Jackson

Will be a US citizen traveling in Europe next week.
Can I get a flu vaccination Paris?

JX Bardant

"Al Jackson" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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    > Will be a US citizen traveling in Europe next week.
    > Can I get a flu vaccination Paris?

Yes.
http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/p...iers/F714.html (in French)

According to the site, you can buy the vaccine in a pharmacy (it was 6.28
euros last year) and have a doctor make the injection for a fee (20 euros I
think) or have it done freely in a public hospital (though I am not sure
whether it concerns foreigners too).

Louis XIV

I see Boots are offering it for 15GBP in their Princes Street Store
(Edinburgh).

"JX Bardant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Al Jackson" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    > [email protected]...
    >> Will be a US citizen traveling in Europe next week.
    >> Can I get a flu vaccination Paris?
    > Yes.
    > http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/p...iers/F714.html (in French)
    > According to the site, you can buy the vaccine in a pharmacy (it was 6.28
    > euros last year) and have a doctor make the injection for a fee (20 euros
    > I think) or have it done freely in a public hospital (though I am not sure
    > whether it concerns foreigners too).
    >

B Vaughan

On 19 Oct 2004 10:41:21 -0700, [email protected] (Al Jackson) wrote:

    >Will be a US citizen traveling in Europe next week.
    >Can I get a flu vaccination Paris?

The flu vaccine shortage in the US is that bad?

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Bill Moore

In article <[email protected]>,
B Vaughan <[email protected]> wrote:
    >On 19 Oct 2004 10:41:21 -0700, [email protected] (Al Jackson) wrote:
    >>Will be a US citizen traveling in Europe next week.
    >>Can I get a flu vaccination Paris?
    >The flu vaccine shortage in the US is that bad?

Yup. Large companies that typically offer free shots to all
employees aren't doing it this year. And there are long lines
at clinics, people are being asked not to get one if you aren't
high risk... I guess it's the 21st century version of the gas
shortage...

Doug McDonald

B Vaughan wrote:

    > On 19 Oct 2004 10:41:21 -0700, [email protected] (Al Jackson) wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Will be a US citizen traveling in Europe next week.
    >>Can I get a flu vaccination Paris?
    >
    >
    > The flu vaccine shortage in the US is that bad?


There is lots of vaccine ... the problem is the rationing.

Doug McDonald

Pete

    >>>Will be a US citizen traveling in Europe next week.
    >>>Can I get a flu vaccination Paris?
    >> The flu vaccine shortage in the US is that bad?
    > There is lots of vaccine ... the problem is the rationing.

There is NOT lots of vaccine. There is 2/3 of the amount needed.
Chiron, the UK company found to have contaminated vaccine, was
to have provided 46-48 million doses. Last year's demand was 87
million doses. The only major supplier left is Aventis Pasteur which
initially planned to supply 55 million doses and recently announced
that it will be able to eventually supply 58 million doses in total. Do
the math: a shortage of 29 million doses is hardly "lots of vaccine."
If one is younger than 65 and in reasonably good health, there is
zero chance of obtaining a flu shot.


Pete

Frank F. Matthews

B Vaughan wrote:

    > On 19 Oct 2004 10:41:21 -0700, [email protected] (Al Jackson) wrote:

    >>Will be a US citizen traveling in Europe next week.
    >>Can I get a flu vaccination Paris?

    > The flu vaccine shortage in the US is that bad?

    > Barbara Vaughan

Unless you are old or have a chronic illness or a doctor with
questionable ethics then yes it is unavailable. Fortunately for those
who are desperate there are a bunch of questionable physicians about.

Frank F. Matthews

Bill Moore wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > B Vaughan <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>On 19 Oct 2004 10:41:21 -0700, [email protected] (Al Jackson) wrote:

    >>>Will be a US citizen traveling in Europe next week.
    >>>Can I get a flu vaccination Paris?

    >>The flu vaccine shortage in the US is that bad?

    > Yup. Large companies that typically offer free shots to all
    > employees aren't doing it this year. And there are long lines
    > at clinics, people are being asked not to get one if you aren't
    > high risk... I guess it's the 21st century version of the gas
    > shortage...

I waited in line for 3 hours to get a shot.

Frank F. Matthews

Doug McDonald wrote:

    > B Vaughan wrote:

    >> On 19 Oct 2004 10:41:21 -0700, [email protected] (Al Jackson) wrote:

    >>> Will be a US citizen traveling in Europe next week.
    >>> Can I get a flu vaccination Paris?

    >> The flu vaccine shortage in the US is that bad?

    > There is lots of vaccine ... the problem is the rationing.
    > Doug McDonald

Wrong Doug. There is a severe shortage. There is probably enough for
about 60% of the priority patients.

Douglas W. Hoyt

    >>>>>>>The flu vaccine shortage in the US is that bad?

States are passing laws that no-one over 2 or under 65 (unless chronically
ill) may get a shot, with penalties or hundreds of dollars or jail time to
the doctor who provides a flu shot to the wrong person.

Go Fig

In article <[email protected]>, Frank F. Matthews
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > Doug McDonald wrote:
    >
    > > B Vaughan wrote:
    >
    > >> On 19 Oct 2004 10:41:21 -0700, [email protected] (Al Jackson) wrote:
    >
    > >>> Will be a US citizen traveling in Europe next week.
    > >>> Can I get a flu vaccination Paris?
    >
    > >> The flu vaccine shortage in the US is that bad?
    >
    > > There is lots of vaccine ... the problem is the rationing.
    > > Doug McDonald
    >
    > Wrong Doug. There is a severe shortage. There is probably enough for
    > about 60% of the priority patients.

Except that that group generally never gets the shot at a 100% rate.
While the participation rate has grown, particularly in the last 4
years, every year there is huge excess inventory that is lost forever.
Combine that with a fixed price and huge window of liability... it is
very easy to see why no U.S. drug company wants any part of this
sector.

The price needs to be the market value and let the Gov. buy enough at
that price to provide for the truly indigent. The added benefit might
be a better competitively driven product as well.

jay
Tue Oct 19, 2004
mailto:[email protected]

Miguel Cruz

Frank F. Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Bill Moore wrote:
    >> Yup. Large companies that typically offer free shots to all employees
    >> aren't doing it this year. And there are long lines at clinics, people
    >> are being asked not to get one if you aren't high risk... I guess it's
    >> the 21st century version of the gas shortage...
    > I waited in line for 3 hours to get a shot.

This may seem like (or be) a stupid question, but what is the point of the
flu shot? I've never had one except when working in a healthcare facility
and they lined us all up for it, and it doesn't seem to have impacted my
life in any way.

miguel
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Tim Challenger

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:11:02 -0500, Miguel Cruz wrote:

    > Frank F. Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Bill Moore wrote:
    >>> Yup. Large companies that typically offer free shots to all employees
    >>> aren't doing it this year. And there are long lines at clinics, people
    >>> are being asked not to get one if you aren't high risk... I guess it's
    >>> the 21st century version of the gas shortage...
    >> I waited in line for 3 hours to get a shot.
    >
    > This may seem like (or be) a stupid question, but what is the point of the
    > flu shot? I've never had one except when working in a healthcare facility
    > and they lined us all up for it, and it doesn't seem to have impacted my
    > life in any way.
    >
    > miguel

The point is its a gamble. They make up a vaccine based on the WHO's "best
guess" as to which strain is likely to be doing the rounds the next season.
The flu can be deadly for the very young, old, ill or infirm and if they
guess right these lives can be saved. For others it *might* save you a
bought of 'flu. If their guess is wrong then it's all been a waste of time
and money.
If you're reasonably healthy, you can go without it. What are the chances
of *you* catching the 'flu anyway? If you've had no trouble so far then the
chances are you won't this year either, unless it's a particularly virulent
strain and spreading fast. Which I don't think it is.


--
Tim C.

Tim Challenger

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:40:50 GMT, Pete wrote:

    > If one is younger than 65 and in reasonably good health, there is
    > zero chance of obtaining a flu shot.

And little *real* need to have one.
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Tim C.