First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
Dec 16th 2006, 10:21 am
#16
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
tu �cris sans savoir
Pourquoi les traiter de path�tiques sans savoir ?
Blabla comme dhab avec tes potes parasites
"Magda" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
> ... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a
> treaty
> ... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the
> subject,
> ... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> ... >
> ... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> ...
> ... Why, what do they contribute ??
> They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own...
> Even the Falklands
> were worth a war, go figure.
>
Pourquoi les traiter de path�tiques sans savoir ?
Blabla comme dhab avec tes potes parasites
"Magda" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
> ... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a
> treaty
> ... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the
> subject,
> ... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> ... >
> ... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> ...
> ... Why, what do they contribute ??
> They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own...
> Even the Falklands
> were worth a war, go figure.
>
Dec 16th 2006, 10:22 am
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
and he is right
You know nothing but post anyway
"Magda" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael"
> <[email protected]>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ...
> ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands
> want
> ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
> Says you...
>
You know nothing but post anyway
"Magda" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael"
> <[email protected]>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ...
> ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands
> want
> ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
> Says you...
>
Dec 16th 2006, 10:51 am
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:44:22 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> ... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> ... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> ... >
> ... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> ...
> ... Why, what do they contribute ??
>They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own... Even the Falklands
>were worth a war, go figure.
The motivation for the Falklands War and it's subsequent retention is
similar to the reason Iraq is occupied and the reason that an
uninhabited rock called Rockall was annexed.
--
Martin
>On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> ... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> ... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> ... >
> ... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> ...
> ... Why, what do they contribute ??
>They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own... Even the Falklands
>were worth a war, go figure.
The motivation for the Falklands War and it's subsequent retention is
similar to the reason Iraq is occupied and the reason that an
uninhabited rock called Rockall was annexed.
--
Martin
Dec 16th 2006, 10:52 am
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:11 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ...
> ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
>Says you...
Says both populations.
--
Martin
>On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ...
> ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
>Says you...
Says both populations.
--
Martin
Dec 16th 2006, 11:27 am
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:52:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:11 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ...
... > ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
... > ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
... >
... >Says you...
...
... Says both populations.
That's how many, 12 people all in all?
some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:11 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ...
... > ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
... > ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
... >
... >Says you...
...
... Says both populations.
That's how many, 12 people all in all?
Dec 16th 2006, 11:28 am
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:51:42 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:44:22 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
... ><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... >
... > ... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
... > ... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
... > ... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
... > ... >
... > ... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
... > ...
... > ... Why, what do they contribute ??
... >
... >They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own... Even the Falklands
... >were worth a war, go figure.
...
... The motivation for the Falklands War and it's subsequent retention is
... similar to the reason Iraq is occupied and the reason that an
... uninhabited rock called Rockall was annexed.
"Pathetic" being the operative word.
some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:44:22 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
... ><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... >
... > ... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
... > ... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
... > ... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
... > ... >
... > ... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
... > ...
... > ... Why, what do they contribute ??
... >
... >They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own... Even the Falklands
... >were worth a war, go figure.
...
... The motivation for the Falklands War and it's subsequent retention is
... similar to the reason Iraq is occupied and the reason that an
... uninhabited rock called Rockall was annexed.
"Pathetic" being the operative word.
Dec 16th 2006, 11:29 am
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
SP Cook wrote:
> chinchillakilla wrote:
> > GIBRALTAR (Reuters) - The first flights between Madrid and Gibraltar
> > started on Saturday, following a landmark deal between Spain and
> > Britain who have disputed ownership of the Rock on Spain's south coast
> > for three centuries.
> >
> Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
99% of residents stated their loyalty to their offshore status.
Gibraltarians couldn't give less of a rat's ass about GB. They don't
even speak english for Christ Sake. Keeping their current status allows
them to dedicate themselves to the most unethical but very profitable
business of money laundering. Gibraltar is the official biggest money
laundering center in the world. There are more than 4 companies
registered in Gibraltar for every inhabitant of the rock. By the way
about 80% of the people that claim residence in the rock actually live
in Spain (Costa del Sol) but pay no taxes. That's why they are so
fiercely "british".
If GB is forced by the EU to change the financial status of the rock,
Gibraltarians will be asking for independence at the drop of a hat
(something that it is utterly impossible by the same Treaty that awards
them their current special status). Gibraltarians vote and defend their
way of living not their so called "nationality" (after all they are all
of Maltese and Corsican ascendency. The original population left when
the british invaded).).
> The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
The Rock will fall like ripe fruit. It stinks too bad.
> chinchillakilla wrote:
> > GIBRALTAR (Reuters) - The first flights between Madrid and Gibraltar
> > started on Saturday, following a landmark deal between Spain and
> > Britain who have disputed ownership of the Rock on Spain's south coast
> > for three centuries.
> >
> Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
99% of residents stated their loyalty to their offshore status.
Gibraltarians couldn't give less of a rat's ass about GB. They don't
even speak english for Christ Sake. Keeping their current status allows
them to dedicate themselves to the most unethical but very profitable
business of money laundering. Gibraltar is the official biggest money
laundering center in the world. There are more than 4 companies
registered in Gibraltar for every inhabitant of the rock. By the way
about 80% of the people that claim residence in the rock actually live
in Spain (Costa del Sol) but pay no taxes. That's why they are so
fiercely "british".
If GB is forced by the EU to change the financial status of the rock,
Gibraltarians will be asking for independence at the drop of a hat
(something that it is utterly impossible by the same Treaty that awards
them their current special status). Gibraltarians vote and defend their
way of living not their so called "nationality" (after all they are all
of Maltese and Corsican ascendency. The original population left when
the british invaded).).
> The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
The Rock will fall like ripe fruit. It stinks too bad.
Dec 16th 2006, 3:14 pm
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
ttow wrote:
> SP Cook wrote:
> > chinchillakilla wrote:
> >
> > > GIBRALTAR (Reuters) - The first flights between Madrid and Gibraltar
> > > started on Saturday, following a landmark deal between Spain and
> > > Britain who have disputed ownership of the Rock on Spain's south coast
> > > for three centuries.
> > >
> >
> > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> 99% of residents stated their loyalty to their offshore status.
Rubbish.
Gibraltar is only a low tax place if you just do business here. And the
cost of living (primarily accomodation due to the scarcety of land) is
extortionate.
> Gibraltarians couldn't give less of a rat's ass about GB.
Rubbish. Do you have any evidence for that? Everyone that I know does.
> They don't
> even speak english for Christ Sake.
Bollocks. Quite simply.
> Keeping their current status allows
> them to dedicate themselves to the most unethical but very profitable
> business of money laundering.
Post 1, just one, bit of evidence for that?
This is just slander from the Spanish government being repeated by you.
Spain has CONSISTANTLY failed to provide any evidence when asked. And
the IMF, OECD and various other EU, US, UN and other inspection units
have visited (as they do all financial centers) and given then all
clean.
>Gibraltar is the official biggest money
> laundering center in the world.
Crap. Do you know how difficult it would be for that to be true?
Let me tell you why, even though Gibraltar is a financial centre, total
volumes are low (when compared to london, paris, etc), therefore things
stickout like a sore thumb in smaller volumes.
> There are more than 4 companies
> registered in Gibraltar for every inhabitant of the rock.
This is a very funny joke from the Spanish foreign office, basically
they have decided that the number of companies in gibraltar must be
equal to registration number of the most recently registered company.
This however has two fatal flaws, firstly it assumes no company ever
ceases trading etc. I'm amazed they havn't claimed its even higher, for
the current company number scheme is not the first, but even this
numbering scheme is ancient.
Secondly, it takes no notice of the fact that there are huge gaps of
not issued numbers between company 1, and the most recent issued
number.
If I start numbering companies 1,2,3... then decide it would be better
expand the format to say, 07*** (the year followed by a 3 digit number)
on jan 1st, that doesn't mean I have suddenly got 7 thousand trading
companies, many numbers were never issued.
> By the way
> about 80% of the people that claim residence in the rock actually live
> in Spain (Costa del Sol) but pay no taxes.
Bollocks once more. Anyone who is resident in Gibraltar pays taxes in
Gibraltar.
Some EU citizens from Gibraltar have bought second homes in Spain - but
the figure is about 5% MAXIMUM.
What you do have going on is the following, many people who
traditionally lived in Gibraltar have been forced to move to Spain
because they can't afford to live in Gibraltar. However, in this case
they become resident in Spain their job just happens to be in
Gibraltar.
Secondly you have THOUSANDS of spanish workers crossing the border
daily to go to their jobs in Gibraltar, bringing money into the Spanish
economy.
> That's why they are so
> fiercely "british".
Rubbish, they are fiercely british because they don't want to have the
nationality given to county who has been seriously nasty to them over
the years against their wishes.
> If GB is forced by the EU to change the financial status of the rock,
> Gibraltarians will be asking for independence at the drop of a hat
> (something that it is utterly impossible by the same Treaty that awards
> them their current special status).
Wrong. The only requirement is that IF (not when, but IF) Gibraltar
stops being teritory of the British crown, then the crown of Spain has
first refusal. Well the crown of Canada is HM the Queen, the crown of
Austrailia is HM the Queen. Independent country status is fully
compatible with the treaty of utrecth.
But gibraltar is not seeking independence, the one thing it could
possible loose with independece would be EU membership (because it
would have to come in as a separate state and spain would veto).
There is no apetite for changing the head of state from HM the queen,
though there is flexibility over government form.
Interesting how spain isn't pressing for the implementation of other
parts of the treaty, such as the bit about Jews not being allowed in
the Iberain peninsula at the Spanish governments insistanct. That might
highlight just how old this treaty is. A treaty spain continually
refuses to refer to the international courts for a ruling (because
legally it is void, having been superceeded by other UN treaties of
general principles which would contradict it.
> Gibraltarians vote and defend their
> way of living not their so called "nationality" (after all they are all
> of Maltese and Corsican ascendency. The original population left when
> the british invaded).).
No, some people who were there left Gibraltar. Some stayed. However you
are conveniently ignoring the population displaced by the spanish when
they conqoured Gibraltar from the Moors. Rembeber in terms of period of
posession, between Spanish, British and Moorish, spains claim is 3rd.
> > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> The Rock will fall like ripe fruit. It stinks too bad.
The smell comes from people like you repeating the garbage you get from
madrid, garbage that we are now starting (just starting) to see reduce
in volume. This is garbage that has consistantly been proven to be
false. They even went through a period for a few years of adding the
name 'Gibraltar' to any press report of money laundering etc from OECD
and others - when it was raised with them that it was never present on
the original press release they would just ammend it to take Gib off
again etc, or say it was a mistake.
> SP Cook wrote:
> > chinchillakilla wrote:
> >
> > > GIBRALTAR (Reuters) - The first flights between Madrid and Gibraltar
> > > started on Saturday, following a landmark deal between Spain and
> > > Britain who have disputed ownership of the Rock on Spain's south coast
> > > for three centuries.
> > >
> >
> > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> 99% of residents stated their loyalty to their offshore status.
Rubbish.
Gibraltar is only a low tax place if you just do business here. And the
cost of living (primarily accomodation due to the scarcety of land) is
extortionate.
> Gibraltarians couldn't give less of a rat's ass about GB.
Rubbish. Do you have any evidence for that? Everyone that I know does.
> They don't
> even speak english for Christ Sake.
Bollocks. Quite simply.
> Keeping their current status allows
> them to dedicate themselves to the most unethical but very profitable
> business of money laundering.
Post 1, just one, bit of evidence for that?
This is just slander from the Spanish government being repeated by you.
Spain has CONSISTANTLY failed to provide any evidence when asked. And
the IMF, OECD and various other EU, US, UN and other inspection units
have visited (as they do all financial centers) and given then all
clean.
>Gibraltar is the official biggest money
> laundering center in the world.
Crap. Do you know how difficult it would be for that to be true?
Let me tell you why, even though Gibraltar is a financial centre, total
volumes are low (when compared to london, paris, etc), therefore things
stickout like a sore thumb in smaller volumes.
> There are more than 4 companies
> registered in Gibraltar for every inhabitant of the rock.
This is a very funny joke from the Spanish foreign office, basically
they have decided that the number of companies in gibraltar must be
equal to registration number of the most recently registered company.
This however has two fatal flaws, firstly it assumes no company ever
ceases trading etc. I'm amazed they havn't claimed its even higher, for
the current company number scheme is not the first, but even this
numbering scheme is ancient.
Secondly, it takes no notice of the fact that there are huge gaps of
not issued numbers between company 1, and the most recent issued
number.
If I start numbering companies 1,2,3... then decide it would be better
expand the format to say, 07*** (the year followed by a 3 digit number)
on jan 1st, that doesn't mean I have suddenly got 7 thousand trading
companies, many numbers were never issued.
> By the way
> about 80% of the people that claim residence in the rock actually live
> in Spain (Costa del Sol) but pay no taxes.
Bollocks once more. Anyone who is resident in Gibraltar pays taxes in
Gibraltar.
Some EU citizens from Gibraltar have bought second homes in Spain - but
the figure is about 5% MAXIMUM.
What you do have going on is the following, many people who
traditionally lived in Gibraltar have been forced to move to Spain
because they can't afford to live in Gibraltar. However, in this case
they become resident in Spain their job just happens to be in
Gibraltar.
Secondly you have THOUSANDS of spanish workers crossing the border
daily to go to their jobs in Gibraltar, bringing money into the Spanish
economy.
> That's why they are so
> fiercely "british".
Rubbish, they are fiercely british because they don't want to have the
nationality given to county who has been seriously nasty to them over
the years against their wishes.
> If GB is forced by the EU to change the financial status of the rock,
> Gibraltarians will be asking for independence at the drop of a hat
> (something that it is utterly impossible by the same Treaty that awards
> them their current special status).
Wrong. The only requirement is that IF (not when, but IF) Gibraltar
stops being teritory of the British crown, then the crown of Spain has
first refusal. Well the crown of Canada is HM the Queen, the crown of
Austrailia is HM the Queen. Independent country status is fully
compatible with the treaty of utrecth.
But gibraltar is not seeking independence, the one thing it could
possible loose with independece would be EU membership (because it
would have to come in as a separate state and spain would veto).
There is no apetite for changing the head of state from HM the queen,
though there is flexibility over government form.
Interesting how spain isn't pressing for the implementation of other
parts of the treaty, such as the bit about Jews not being allowed in
the Iberain peninsula at the Spanish governments insistanct. That might
highlight just how old this treaty is. A treaty spain continually
refuses to refer to the international courts for a ruling (because
legally it is void, having been superceeded by other UN treaties of
general principles which would contradict it.
> Gibraltarians vote and defend their
> way of living not their so called "nationality" (after all they are all
> of Maltese and Corsican ascendency. The original population left when
> the british invaded).).
No, some people who were there left Gibraltar. Some stayed. However you
are conveniently ignoring the population displaced by the spanish when
they conqoured Gibraltar from the Moors. Rembeber in terms of period of
posession, between Spanish, British and Moorish, spains claim is 3rd.
> > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> The Rock will fall like ripe fruit. It stinks too bad.
The smell comes from people like you repeating the garbage you get from
madrid, garbage that we are now starting (just starting) to see reduce
in volume. This is garbage that has consistantly been proven to be
false. They even went through a period for a few years of adding the
name 'Gibraltar' to any press report of money laundering etc from OECD
and others - when it was raised with them that it was never present on
the original press release they would just ammend it to take Gib off
again etc, or say it was a mistake.
Dec 16th 2006, 3:17 pm
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
Magda wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:52:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
> some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:11 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
> ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... >
> ... > ...
> ... > ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> ... > ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
> ... >
> ... >Says you...
> ...
> ... Says both populations.
> That's how many, 12 people all in all?
30 thousand in the case of Gibraltar.
But the number would be irrelvant, it is a question of democracy.
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:52:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
> some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:11 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
> ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... >
> ... > ...
> ... > ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> ... > ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
> ... >
> ... >Says you...
> ...
> ... Says both populations.
> That's how many, 12 people all in all?
30 thousand in the case of Gibraltar.
But the number would be irrelvant, it is a question of democracy.
Dec 16th 2006, 3:21 pm
#25
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
Mary Pegg wrote:
> SP Cook wrote:
> > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> >
> > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> Except it's neither part of (the geographical entity) Great Britain
> nor part of (the political entity) the United Kingdom. It's an
> Overseas Territory (which is how we refer to the Colonies these days).
> This distinction is why the Spanish claim that the situation with
> Ceuta and Melilla is totally different - those enclaves being part
> of the Spanish state.
It's quite amazing how spain manages to reconcile their two arguments.
Firstly that Ceuta and Melia (and the canary islands) are and intergral
part of the spanish nation state and they are not prepared to discuss
them. [Note the spanish teritories are not part of the customs union
element of the EU, just like Gibraltar]
And secondly that Gibraltar is Spanish on the basis of the preservation
of 'teritorial integrety' at the expense of democracy. Portugal anyone?
> SP Cook wrote:
> > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> >
> > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> Except it's neither part of (the geographical entity) Great Britain
> nor part of (the political entity) the United Kingdom. It's an
> Overseas Territory (which is how we refer to the Colonies these days).
> This distinction is why the Spanish claim that the situation with
> Ceuta and Melilla is totally different - those enclaves being part
> of the Spanish state.
It's quite amazing how spain manages to reconcile their two arguments.
Firstly that Ceuta and Melia (and the canary islands) are and intergral
part of the spanish nation state and they are not prepared to discuss
them. [Note the spanish teritories are not part of the customs union
element of the EU, just like Gibraltar]
And secondly that Gibraltar is Spanish on the basis of the preservation
of 'teritorial integrety' at the expense of democracy. Portugal anyone?
Dec 16th 2006, 8:16 pm
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
[email protected] wrote:
> Magda wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:52:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
> > some electrons, so they looked like this:
> >
> > ... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:11 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> > ...
> > ... >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
> > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> > ... >
> > ... > ...
> > ... > ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> > ... > ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
> > ... >
> > ... >Says you...
> > ...
> > ... Says both populations.
> >
> > That's how many, 12 people all in all?
> 30 thousand in the case of Gibraltar.
> But the number would be irrelvant, it is a question of democracy.
oh really.....
http://www.shelteroffshore.com/index...ens_in_the_uk/
Gibraltar - Although Gibraltar is physically located in Spain it is an
offshore tax haven of the UK. It is self governing but remains a
dependent territory of Great Britain and is actually one of the oldest
of Britain's dependent territories to have gained offshore status.
In Gibraltar there are no capital gains taxes, wealth taxes, sales
taxes or VAT but there is income tax, withholding tax, stamp duty,
property tax, estate tax and import duty and unless an individual
resident in Gibraltar has gained High Net Worth Individual or Expat
Executive status his taxes are likely to be quite high. The offshore
advantages Gibraltar has to offer are limited to certain company
structures.
> Magda wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:52:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
> > some electrons, so they looked like this:
> >
> > ... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:11 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> > ...
> > ... >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
> > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> > ... >
> > ... > ...
> > ... > ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> > ... > ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
> > ... >
> > ... >Says you...
> > ...
> > ... Says both populations.
> >
> > That's how many, 12 people all in all?
> 30 thousand in the case of Gibraltar.
> But the number would be irrelvant, it is a question of democracy.
oh really.....
http://www.shelteroffshore.com/index...ens_in_the_uk/
Gibraltar - Although Gibraltar is physically located in Spain it is an
offshore tax haven of the UK. It is self governing but remains a
dependent territory of Great Britain and is actually one of the oldest
of Britain's dependent territories to have gained offshore status.
In Gibraltar there are no capital gains taxes, wealth taxes, sales
taxes or VAT but there is income tax, withholding tax, stamp duty,
property tax, estate tax and import duty and unless an individual
resident in Gibraltar has gained High Net Worth Individual or Expat
Executive status his taxes are likely to be quite high. The offshore
advantages Gibraltar has to offer are limited to certain company
structures.
Dec 16th 2006, 9:10 pm
#27
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:27:24 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:52:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
>some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:11 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
> ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... >
> ... > ...
> ... > ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> ... > ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
> ... >
> ... >Says you...
> ...
> ... Says both populations.
>That's how many, 12 people all in all?
1800 plus many sheep with silly smiles and the military in the
Falklands. Plumbers are flown out from UK to Flalkands at military
expense.
--
Martin
>On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:52:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
>some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:11 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
> ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... >
> ... > ...
> ... > ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> ... > ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
> ... >
> ... >Says you...
> ...
> ... Says both populations.
>That's how many, 12 people all in all?
1800 plus many sheep with silly smiles and the military in the
Falklands. Plumbers are flown out from UK to Flalkands at military
expense.
--
Martin
Dec 16th 2006, 9:11 pm
#28
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:28:14 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:51:42 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
>some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:44:22 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
> ... ><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... >
> ... >
> ... > ... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> ... > ... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> ... > ... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Why, what do they contribute ??
> ... >
> ... >They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own... Even the Falklands
> ... >were worth a war, go figure.
> ...
> ... The motivation for the Falklands War and it's subsequent retention is
> ... similar to the reason Iraq is occupied and the reason that an
> ... uninhabited rock called Rockall was annexed.
>"Pathetic" being the operative word.
OIL being the operative word.
--
Martin
>On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:51:42 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
>some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:44:22 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
> ... ><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... >
> ... >
> ... > ... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> ... > ... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> ... > ... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Why, what do they contribute ??
> ... >
> ... >They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own... Even the Falklands
> ... >were worth a war, go figure.
> ...
> ... The motivation for the Falklands War and it's subsequent retention is
> ... similar to the reason Iraq is occupied and the reason that an
> ... uninhabited rock called Rockall was annexed.
>"Pathetic" being the operative word.
OIL being the operative word.
--
Martin
Dec 16th 2006, 9:45 pm
#29
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:27:24 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:52:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
> >some electrons, so they looked like this:
> >
> > ... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:11 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> > ...
> > ... >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
> > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> > ... >
> > ... > ...
> > ... > ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> > ... > ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
> > ... >
> > ... >Says you...
> > ...
> > ... Says both populations.
> >
> >That's how many, 12 people all in all?
> 1800 plus many sheep with silly smiles and the military in the
> Falklands. Plumbers are flown out from UK to Flalkands at military
> expense.
> --
>
> Martin
i.e. taxpayer !!
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:27:24 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:52:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
> >some electrons, so they looked like this:
> >
> > ... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:11 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> > ...
> > ... >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
> > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> > ... >
> > ... > ...
> > ... > ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> > ... > ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
> > ... >
> > ... >Says you...
> > ...
> > ... Says both populations.
> >
> >That's how many, 12 people all in all?
> 1800 plus many sheep with silly smiles and the military in the
> Falklands. Plumbers are flown out from UK to Flalkands at military
> expense.
> --
>
> Martin
i.e. taxpayer !!
Dec 16th 2006, 9:50 pm
#30
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
On 17 Dec 2006 02:45:07 -0800, "chinchillakilla"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> 1800 plus many sheep with silly smiles and the military in the
>> Falklands. Plumbers are flown out from UK to Flalkands at military
>> expense.
>i.e. taxpayer !!
Have you got an economics degree?
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> 1800 plus many sheep with silly smiles and the military in the
>> Falklands. Plumbers are flown out from UK to Flalkands at military
>> expense.
>i.e. taxpayer !!
Have you got an economics degree?
--
Martin
