First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
Dec 16th 2006, 4:27 am
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First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
....and it wasn't Air Madrid......
First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
Reuters Saturday December 16, 04:37 PM
GIBRALTAR (Reuters) - The first flights between Madrid and Gibraltar
started on Saturday, following a landmark deal between Spain and
Britain who have disputed ownership of the Rock on Spain's south coast
for three centuries.
The daily service by Spanish flag carrier Iberia comes after a
September agreement between Spain, Britain and Gibraltar in September
to cooperate to solve the problems of
the British-ruled territory and the surrounding area.
The Iberia flight landed at 1200 GMT (12 p.m. British time) making
history as the first Spanish plane to touch down there and marking a
thawing in the long-running dispute.
Opening up Gibraltar's airport -- which Spain says is on land not ceded
to Britain under the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713 -- should benefit the
Spanish side of the border, which is underdeveloped compared with the
rest of the Costa del Sol.
Until now, anyone wanting to fly to Gibraltar from Madrid had to go via
London or travel to another airport on Spain's south coast and continue
by land.
A new terminal, due to be completed in 2008, will have entrances on
both sides of the border so passengers and cargo travelling to and from
Spain can bypass Gibraltar controls and taxes.
DEGREE OF NORMALITY
"This means a greater degree of normality. Both sides have protected
the issues that are important to them, but we have worked on the space
in between to deliver practical benefits to citizens on both sides of
the border," Gibraltar's Chief Minister Peter Caruana told a news
conference after the flight had landed.
Bernardino Leon, Spain's secretary of state for foreign affairs, said
as he set foot on disputed soil, that Saturday was an historic day.
"I think we are stepping onto the soil of co-operation. This is what is
important for Spain. We have decided to leave aside our traditional
positions," he told Reuters.
One passenger, Gibraltarian Johnny Bugeja, who was flying back to
Madrid the same day, said the flight had made history for him.
"We made a journey in one hour that has always taken a day."
Britain and Spain once looked at sharing sovereignty of the Rock, home
to 28,000 people. But in a referendum four years ago 99 percent of
Gibraltarians voted against the move, demanding to remain part of
Britain.
First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
Reuters Saturday December 16, 04:37 PM
GIBRALTAR (Reuters) - The first flights between Madrid and Gibraltar
started on Saturday, following a landmark deal between Spain and
Britain who have disputed ownership of the Rock on Spain's south coast
for three centuries.
The daily service by Spanish flag carrier Iberia comes after a
September agreement between Spain, Britain and Gibraltar in September
to cooperate to solve the problems of
the British-ruled territory and the surrounding area.
The Iberia flight landed at 1200 GMT (12 p.m. British time) making
history as the first Spanish plane to touch down there and marking a
thawing in the long-running dispute.
Opening up Gibraltar's airport -- which Spain says is on land not ceded
to Britain under the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713 -- should benefit the
Spanish side of the border, which is underdeveloped compared with the
rest of the Costa del Sol.
Until now, anyone wanting to fly to Gibraltar from Madrid had to go via
London or travel to another airport on Spain's south coast and continue
by land.
A new terminal, due to be completed in 2008, will have entrances on
both sides of the border so passengers and cargo travelling to and from
Spain can bypass Gibraltar controls and taxes.
DEGREE OF NORMALITY
"This means a greater degree of normality. Both sides have protected
the issues that are important to them, but we have worked on the space
in between to deliver practical benefits to citizens on both sides of
the border," Gibraltar's Chief Minister Peter Caruana told a news
conference after the flight had landed.
Bernardino Leon, Spain's secretary of state for foreign affairs, said
as he set foot on disputed soil, that Saturday was an historic day.
"I think we are stepping onto the soil of co-operation. This is what is
important for Spain. We have decided to leave aside our traditional
positions," he told Reuters.
One passenger, Gibraltarian Johnny Bugeja, who was flying back to
Madrid the same day, said the flight had made history for him.
"We made a journey in one hour that has always taken a day."
Britain and Spain once looked at sharing sovereignty of the Rock, home
to 28,000 people. But in a referendum four years ago 99 percent of
Gibraltarians voted against the move, demanding to remain part of
Britain.
Dec 16th 2006, 4:37 am
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
On 16 Dec 2006 09:27:19 -0800, "chinchillakilla"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>....and it wasn't Air Madrid......
PLONK!
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>....and it wasn't Air Madrid......
PLONK!
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Dec 16th 2006, 4:40 am
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2006 09:27:19 -0800, "chinchillakilla"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >....and it wasn't Air Madrid......
> PLONK!
I'm just thinking though- if MAD (the brand new amazing airport with a
floor area greater than the size of Texas) wasn't already busy enough,
they'll be bursting at the seams now that this busy new route's been
added.
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> On 16 Dec 2006 09:27:19 -0800, "chinchillakilla"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >....and it wasn't Air Madrid......
> PLONK!
I'm just thinking though- if MAD (the brand new amazing airport with a
floor area greater than the size of Texas) wasn't already busy enough,
they'll be bursting at the seams now that this busy new route's been
added.
--
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Dec 16th 2006, 4:43 am
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:40:13 +0000,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 16 Dec 2006 09:27:19 -0800, "chinchillakilla"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >....and it wasn't Air Madrid......
>> PLONK!
>I'm just thinking though- if MAD (the brand new amazing airport with a
>floor area greater than the size of Texas) wasn't already busy enough,
>they'll be bursting at the seams now that this busy new route's been
>added.
:-)
The MAD guy lost his first PR job through posting rubbish to usenet
during his working hours
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Martin
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 16 Dec 2006 09:27:19 -0800, "chinchillakilla"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >....and it wasn't Air Madrid......
>> PLONK!
>I'm just thinking though- if MAD (the brand new amazing airport with a
>floor area greater than the size of Texas) wasn't already busy enough,
>they'll be bursting at the seams now that this busy new route's been
>added.
:-)
The MAD guy lost his first PR job through posting rubbish to usenet
during his working hours
--
Martin
Dec 16th 2006, 5:08 am
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
"chinchillakilla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
<<following a landmark deal between Spain and
Britain who have disputed ownership of the Rock on Spain's south coast
for three centuries.>>
What is there to dispute. It was taken in a fair fight by the Royal Marines,
under Admiral Sir George Rooke, in 1704 and is clearly laid out in the
Treaty of Uterecht which was signed in 1713.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Utrecht
news:[email protected] ups.com...
<<following a landmark deal between Spain and
Britain who have disputed ownership of the Rock on Spain's south coast
for three centuries.>>
What is there to dispute. It was taken in a fair fight by the Royal Marines,
under Admiral Sir George Rooke, in 1704 and is clearly laid out in the
Treaty of Uterecht which was signed in 1713.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Utrecht
Dec 16th 2006, 5:17 am
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chinchillakilla wrote:
> GIBRALTAR (Reuters) - The first flights between Madrid and Gibraltar
> started on Saturday, following a landmark deal between Spain and
> Britain who have disputed ownership of the Rock on Spain's south coast
> for three centuries.
Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> GIBRALTAR (Reuters) - The first flights between Madrid and Gibraltar
> started on Saturday, following a landmark deal between Spain and
> Britain who have disputed ownership of the Rock on Spain's south coast
> for three centuries.
Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
Dec 16th 2006, 6:37 am
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SP Cook wrote:
> chinchillakilla wrote:
> > GIBRALTAR (Reuters) - The first flights between Madrid and Gibraltar
> > started on Saturday, following a landmark deal between Spain and
> > Britain who have disputed ownership of the Rock on Spain's south coast
> > for three centuries.
> >
> Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
Why, what do they contribute ??
> chinchillakilla wrote:
> > GIBRALTAR (Reuters) - The first flights between Madrid and Gibraltar
> > started on Saturday, following a landmark deal between Spain and
> > Britain who have disputed ownership of the Rock on Spain's south coast
> > for three centuries.
> >
> Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
Why, what do they contribute ??
Dec 16th 2006, 6:44 am
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On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
... >
... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
...
... Why, what do they contribute ??
They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own... Even the Falklands
were worth a war, go figure.
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
... >
... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
...
... Why, what do they contribute ??
They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own... Even the Falklands
were worth a war, go figure.
Dec 16th 2006, 6:50 am
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
plonk yourself and thank your pal michaelnewport for the unwanted news
"Martin" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On 16 Dec 2006 09:27:19 -0800, "chinchillakilla"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>....and it wasn't Air Madrid......
> PLONK!
> --
> Martin
>
"Martin" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On 16 Dec 2006 09:27:19 -0800, "chinchillakilla"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>....and it wasn't Air Madrid......
> PLONK!
> --
> Martin
>
Dec 16th 2006, 6:51 am
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cos you don't post rubbish ?
The nerves...
"Martin" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:40:13 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 16 Dec 2006 09:27:19 -0800, "chinchillakilla"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >....and it wasn't Air Madrid......
>>> PLONK!
>>I'm just thinking though- if MAD (the brand new amazing airport with a
>>floor area greater than the size of Texas) wasn't already busy enough,
>>they'll be bursting at the seams now that this busy new route's been
>>added.
> :-)
> The MAD guy lost his first PR job through posting rubbish to usenet
> during his working hours
> --
> Martin
>
The nerves...
"Martin" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:40:13 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 16 Dec 2006 09:27:19 -0800, "chinchillakilla"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >....and it wasn't Air Madrid......
>>> PLONK!
>>I'm just thinking though- if MAD (the brand new amazing airport with a
>>floor area greater than the size of Texas) wasn't already busy enough,
>>they'll be bursting at the seams now that this busy new route's been
>>added.
> :-)
> The MAD guy lost his first PR job through posting rubbish to usenet
> during his working hours
> --
> Martin
>
Dec 16th 2006, 7:16 am
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Magda wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> ... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> ... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> ... >
> ... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> ...
> ... Why, what do they contribute ??
> They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own... Even the Falklands
> were worth a war, go figure.
si claro :)
> On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> ... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> ... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> ... >
> ... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> ...
> ... Why, what do they contribute ??
> They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own... Even the Falklands
> were worth a war, go figure.
si claro :)
Dec 16th 2006, 7:54 am
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SP Cook wrote:
> Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
>
> The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
Except it's neither part of (the geographical entity) Great Britain
nor part of (the political entity) the United Kingdom. It's an
Overseas Territory (which is how we refer to the Colonies these days).
This distinction is why the Spanish claim that the situation with
Ceuta and Melilla is totally different - those enclaves being part
of the Spanish state.
> Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a treaty
> ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the subject,
> 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
>
> The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
Except it's neither part of (the geographical entity) Great Britain
nor part of (the political entity) the United Kingdom. It's an
Overseas Territory (which is how we refer to the Colonies these days).
This distinction is why the Spanish claim that the situation with
Ceuta and Melilla is totally different - those enclaves being part
of the Spanish state.
Dec 16th 2006, 8:20 am
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"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
> ... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a
> treaty
> ... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the
> subject,
> ... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> ... >
> ... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> ...
> ... Why, what do they contribute ??
> They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own...
> Even the Falklands
> were worth a war, go figure.
It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
news:[email protected]...
> On 16 Dec 2006 11:37:05 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "chinchillakilla"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
> ... > Not really much of a dispute. Spain was defeated and signed a
> treaty
> ... > ceding the land to Great Britian, and in a referendum on the
> subject,
> ... > 99% of residents stated their loyality to the British Crown.
> ... >
> ... > The Rock is, and will remain part of Great Bitian.
> ...
> ... Why, what do they contribute ??
> They are pathetically hanging on to the last specks of rock they own...
> Even the Falklands
> were worth a war, go figure.
It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
Dec 16th 2006, 8:23 am
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Re: First Spanish flight lands in Gibraltar
"Michael" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestiss�:[email protected]...
> It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
The British foreign office fiercly disagree: Gibraltar will be annexed to
Spain anyways.
viestiss�:[email protected]...
> It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
The British foreign office fiercly disagree: Gibraltar will be annexed to
Spain anyways.
Dec 16th 2006, 8:26 am
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael" <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
...
... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
Says you...
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
...
... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
Says you...
