Favorite Cities In Europe. Anyone?
Mar 16th 2006, 8:12 pm
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:51:02 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]>
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>Following up to "Iceman" <[email protected]> :
>>Nice is pretty ...
>and that's about the best that can be said for it. It's living on a
>reputation, the reason for which it has long lost.
>Give me Menton any day.
Give me Greece.
Cannes/Nice has passed it's sell by date by about 30 years.
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wrote:
>Following up to "Iceman" <[email protected]> :
>>Nice is pretty ...
>and that's about the best that can be said for it. It's living on a
>reputation, the reason for which it has long lost.
>Give me Menton any day.
Give me Greece.
Cannes/Nice has passed it's sell by date by about 30 years.
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Mar 16th 2006, 8:28 pm
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[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
> Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the
> > duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
> >
> > > Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > (i got severely ****ed-over by the trains in blighty on the way
> > back on that one isolated and by no means representative occasion,
> > too, but i'd better not start on that or you'll be calling me
> > belgian
>
> I don't think he's Belgian, though I'm not sure. I'd call him something
> else entirely.
His spelling errors are consistently Dutchophone.
> > or something.)
>
> I don't mind people relating train horror stories- I've got plenty. It's
> only thinking that it's always like that which irks me. And still, train
> gets the blame in a way that, say, traffic jams tend not to.
Well, I've certainly never written a train off...
Des
> Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the
> > duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
> >
> > > Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > (i got severely ****ed-over by the trains in blighty on the way
> > back on that one isolated and by no means representative occasion,
> > too, but i'd better not start on that or you'll be calling me
> > belgian
>
> I don't think he's Belgian, though I'm not sure. I'd call him something
> else entirely.
His spelling errors are consistently Dutchophone.
> > or something.)
>
> I don't mind people relating train horror stories- I've got plenty. It's
> only thinking that it's always like that which irks me. And still, train
> gets the blame in a way that, say, traffic jams tend not to.
Well, I've certainly never written a train off...
Des
Mar 16th 2006, 8:38 pm
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Following up to David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of
besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
>> but didnt they advertise the point,
>Who is this 'they?'
was it post or pre de nationalisation? BR or Railtrack?
>> I'm sure there was a slogan
>> "let the train take the blame"?
>So?
Its a *joke* David, a *joke* ("let the train take the strain")
:-)
>> I'm paying them to do it for me so its somebody else's
>> fault if I'm stuck for hours.
> Yes, that's true, and of course, it is someone else's fault. Virgin,
>for example, refunds 25% of your ticket if more than 30 minutes late,
>and 100% if more than 2 hours late. I've received two complete refunds
>in the last 5 years, but not had to apply for one recently, thank
>goodness.
I wonder if I could get the congestion charge back if I get stuck
in traffic? I'll ring Ken.
My worse delays have been Rannoch Moor area and subsequent coast
bypass route in a blizzard, (not everyone survived) and 24+ hour
broken down charter planes.
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besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
>> but didnt they advertise the point,
>Who is this 'they?'
was it post or pre de nationalisation? BR or Railtrack?
>> I'm sure there was a slogan
>> "let the train take the blame"?
>So?
Its a *joke* David, a *joke* ("let the train take the strain")
:-)
>> I'm paying them to do it for me so its somebody else's
>> fault if I'm stuck for hours.
> Yes, that's true, and of course, it is someone else's fault. Virgin,
>for example, refunds 25% of your ticket if more than 30 minutes late,
>and 100% if more than 2 hours late. I've received two complete refunds
>in the last 5 years, but not had to apply for one recently, thank
>goodness.
I wonder if I could get the congestion charge back if I get stuck
in traffic? I'll ring Ken.
My worse delays have been Rannoch Moor area and subsequent coast
bypass route in a blizzard, (not everyone survived) and 24+ hour
broken down charter planes.
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Mar 16th 2006, 8:38 pm
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Following up to george
>the Mercedes Benz museum is excellent and
>appeals to everyone, even people who are not car enthusiasts.
I wouldn't bank on the non car enthusiasts, but its sounds a
place boys of all ages would love!
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>the Mercedes Benz museum is excellent and
>appeals to everyone, even people who are not car enthusiasts.
I wouldn't bank on the non car enthusiasts, but its sounds a
place boys of all ages would love!
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Mar 16th 2006, 9:06 pm
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Following up to Martin
>"Go to work on an egg" was a failure too.
written by Fay Wheldon.
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>"Go to work on an egg" was a failure too.
written by Fay Wheldon.
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Mar 16th 2006, 9:07 pm
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The Reid wrote:
> Following up to george
> >the Mercedes Benz museum is excellent and
> >appeals to everyone, even people who are not car enthusiasts.
> I wouldn't bank on the non car enthusiasts, but its sounds a
> place boys of all ages would love!
> --
and females too! My wife has visited it many times showing it to
visiting people (mainly high schoolers and their escorts) and always
enjoys it although she has absolutely no interest in cars but to use
one to get from here to there. The female escorts love it too. They
do change the displays, and some of the cars are very lovely to look
at.
George
> Following up to george
> >the Mercedes Benz museum is excellent and
> >appeals to everyone, even people who are not car enthusiasts.
> I wouldn't bank on the non car enthusiasts, but its sounds a
> place boys of all ages would love!
> --
and females too! My wife has visited it many times showing it to
visiting people (mainly high schoolers and their escorts) and always
enjoys it although she has absolutely no interest in cars but to use
one to get from here to there. The female escorts love it too. They
do change the displays, and some of the cars are very lovely to look
at.
George
Mar 16th 2006, 9:20 pm
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:06:47 +0000, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>"Go to work on an egg" was a failure too.
>written by Fay Wheldon.
What did she know about transport? :o)
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>"Go to work on an egg" was a failure too.
>written by Fay Wheldon.
What did she know about transport? :o)
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Mar 16th 2006, 9:20 pm
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Following up to "george" <[email protected]> :
>...and some of the cars are very lovely to look at.
...but terribly designed. ;-)
(see other thread)
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Tim C.
>...and some of the cars are very lovely to look at.
...but terribly designed. ;-)
(see other thread)
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Mar 16th 2006, 9:35 pm
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Tim C. wrote:
> Following up to "george" <[email protected]> :
> >...and some of the cars are very lovely to look at.
> ...but terribly designed. ;-)
>
> (see other thread)
> --
And which one is that?
George
> Following up to "george" <[email protected]> :
> >...and some of the cars are very lovely to look at.
> ...but terribly designed. ;-)
>
> (see other thread)
> --
And which one is that?
George
Mar 16th 2006, 9:43 pm
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Following up to george
>> I wouldn't bank on the non car enthusiasts, but its sounds a
>> place boys of all ages would love!
>> --
>and females too!
yes, my wife likes cars as much as I do, she wants a Maserati!
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>> I wouldn't bank on the non car enthusiasts, but its sounds a
>> place boys of all ages would love!
>> --
>and females too!
yes, my wife likes cars as much as I do, she wants a Maserati!
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Mar 16th 2006, 10:00 pm
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Following up to "george" <[email protected]> :
>Tim C. wrote:
>> Following up to "george" <[email protected]> :
>> >...and some of the cars are very lovely to look at.
>> ...but terribly designed. ;-)
>>
>> (see other thread)
>> --
>And which one is that?
oh, buggered if I know. :-( somewhere me and Mike were talking about the
intrinsic beauty (or not) of design.
I think I've asked before...where are you in Stuttgart? I lived in Heslach
for a few months then in Hausmannstrasse, then eventually in Kornwestheim.
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>Tim C. wrote:
>> Following up to "george" <[email protected]> :
>> >...and some of the cars are very lovely to look at.
>> ...but terribly designed. ;-)
>>
>> (see other thread)
>> --
>And which one is that?
oh, buggered if I know. :-( somewhere me and Mike were talking about the
intrinsic beauty (or not) of design.
I think I've asked before...where are you in Stuttgart? I lived in Heslach
for a few months then in Hausmannstrasse, then eventually in Kornwestheim.
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Mar 16th 2006, 10:02 pm
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Following up to george
>> >...and some of the cars are very lovely to look at.
>> ...but terribly designed. ;-)
>>
>> (see other thread)
>> --
>And which one is that?
this was an academic point from another thread. I rather lean to
the position that if someone can design something well, it will
include being beautiful, often just out of the process of getting
it right. The things that look right also tend to be the ones
that work best, although to what extent that is due to the
success of the well designed object leading us to see that look
as right, I'm not sure. Maybe F1 cars prove the opposite.
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>> >...and some of the cars are very lovely to look at.
>> ...but terribly designed. ;-)
>>
>> (see other thread)
>> --
>And which one is that?
this was an academic point from another thread. I rather lean to
the position that if someone can design something well, it will
include being beautiful, often just out of the process of getting
it right. The things that look right also tend to be the ones
that work best, although to what extent that is due to the
success of the well designed object leading us to see that look
as right, I'm not sure. Maybe F1 cars prove the opposite.
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Mike Reid
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Mar 16th 2006, 10:59 pm
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Tim C. wrote:
> I think I've asked before...where are you in Stuttgart? I lived in Heslach
> for a few months then in Hausmannstrasse, then eventually in Kornwestheim.
> --
We live just down the street from where you used to live on
Hausmannstrasse, on the corner of Alexanderstrasse and Pfizerstrasse,
near the Suenderstaffel. We have a nice view because we have to walk
up four floors and Uhlandstrasse is across the street form us. I
imagine you could have had a tremendous view from your apartment if it
was on the right side of the street or high enough. I enjoy the view
from Uhlandshoehe, but sometimes the walk up there is a little more
than I like to handle. In the warmer months we always enjoy walking up
the hill to Penguin at Eugensplatz, getting an ice cream cone, walking
back on nice quiet Diemershaldenstrasse and coming back by the
Suenderstaffel and the nice small park there, where I walk my cat in
warmer weather. I know almost all of central Stuttgart and most further
out areas very well, but have only gone with my wife to visit
Salamander in Kornwestheim. My wife had a conversation last month with
the French consul (having to do with her being a French teacher) where
he mentioned that Stuttgart was his favorite city in Germany in which
he has lived.
> I think I've asked before...where are you in Stuttgart? I lived in Heslach
> for a few months then in Hausmannstrasse, then eventually in Kornwestheim.
> --
We live just down the street from where you used to live on
Hausmannstrasse, on the corner of Alexanderstrasse and Pfizerstrasse,
near the Suenderstaffel. We have a nice view because we have to walk
up four floors and Uhlandstrasse is across the street form us. I
imagine you could have had a tremendous view from your apartment if it
was on the right side of the street or high enough. I enjoy the view
from Uhlandshoehe, but sometimes the walk up there is a little more
than I like to handle. In the warmer months we always enjoy walking up
the hill to Penguin at Eugensplatz, getting an ice cream cone, walking
back on nice quiet Diemershaldenstrasse and coming back by the
Suenderstaffel and the nice small park there, where I walk my cat in
warmer weather. I know almost all of central Stuttgart and most further
out areas very well, but have only gone with my wife to visit
Salamander in Kornwestheim. My wife had a conversation last month with
the French consul (having to do with her being a French teacher) where
he mentioned that Stuttgart was his favorite city in Germany in which
he has lived.
Mar 17th 2006, 1:35 am
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"george" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> Lennart Petersen wrote:
>> "Iceman" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>> >>> I'm surprised to see Stuttgart in the previous, I've been there twice
>> >>> and found it the most boring city to visit, didn't spot anything
>> >>> interesting at all to see.
>> >
>> >> I can remember a cogwheel tramway being the only such one at least in
>> >> Europe.
>> >
>> > Isn't there one in Lucerne?
>> You'll find plenty of cogwheel railways in Switzerland, including Pilatus
>> outside Lucerne being steepest in the world but I think Stuttgart is
>> unique
>> having a cogwheel tramway.
>> But I doubt that qualifies Stuttgart for being no1
> The cogwheel railway in Stuttgart is entirely within the city, making
> it the only such one in Germany.
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Well, the Stuttgart line is a cogwheel TRAMWAY line,not a railway that's why
it's unique.
Anyway there're three real cogwheel railways in Germany respectively
Drachenfels,Zugspitz and Wendelsteinbahn.
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> Lennart Petersen wrote:
>> "Iceman" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>> >>> I'm surprised to see Stuttgart in the previous, I've been there twice
>> >>> and found it the most boring city to visit, didn't spot anything
>> >>> interesting at all to see.
>> >
>> >> I can remember a cogwheel tramway being the only such one at least in
>> >> Europe.
>> >
>> > Isn't there one in Lucerne?
>> You'll find plenty of cogwheel railways in Switzerland, including Pilatus
>> outside Lucerne being steepest in the world but I think Stuttgart is
>> unique
>> having a cogwheel tramway.
>> But I doubt that qualifies Stuttgart for being no1
> The cogwheel railway in Stuttgart is entirely within the city, making
> it the only such one in Germany.
---------------------
Well, the Stuttgart line is a cogwheel TRAMWAY line,not a railway that's why
it's unique.
Anyway there're three real cogwheel railways in Germany respectively
Drachenfels,Zugspitz and Wendelsteinbahn.
Mar 17th 2006, 3:29 am
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Lennart Petersen wrote:
> ---------------------
> Well, the Stuttgart line is a cogwheel TRAMWAY line,not a railway that's why
> it's unique.
> Anyway there're three real cogwheel railways in Germany respectively
> Drachenfels,Zugspitz and Wendelsteinbahn.
It is called a "Zahnradbahn" by the local VVS transportation system,
best translated into English as rack railway (UK) or rack railroad
(US). Now whether a railroad is a tramway depends upon its location
and use, being a streetcar (tramway) implying use within a city on
tracks, which this is. Both your statements and mine are correct.
An interesting feature of the Zahnradbahn is the large platform on its
front for bicycles so that bicyclists have easy access to the higher
parts of Stuttgart and the forest.
George
> ---------------------
> Well, the Stuttgart line is a cogwheel TRAMWAY line,not a railway that's why
> it's unique.
> Anyway there're three real cogwheel railways in Germany respectively
> Drachenfels,Zugspitz and Wendelsteinbahn.
It is called a "Zahnradbahn" by the local VVS transportation system,
best translated into English as rack railway (UK) or rack railroad
(US). Now whether a railroad is a tramway depends upon its location
and use, being a streetcar (tramway) implying use within a city on
tracks, which this is. Both your statements and mine are correct.
An interesting feature of the Zahnradbahn is the large platform on its
front for bicycles so that bicyclists have easy access to the higher
parts of Stuttgart and the forest.
George
