Europe's strange fascination with the US
Aug 9th 2003, 4:31 am
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> My prediction: If the polls show that the vote on "Recall?" is
> significantly positive, the Governor will resign, the Lieutenant
> Governor Cruz Bustamante will assume office, and the election
> will not happen. The state will thus not have to spend more than
> $30 million (almost a dollar per resident, very much more per
> vote) on an election in which very few citizens would participate.
Davis can resign and the election will still happen. Once the
petitions were certified and the election date was set, the process
was unstoppable. That is why Bustamante has entered the race, as
he will also lose his job if the recall is successful. And the recall will
be very popular with voters, especially now with Arnold in it.
Casey
> significantly positive, the Governor will resign, the Lieutenant
> Governor Cruz Bustamante will assume office, and the election
> will not happen. The state will thus not have to spend more than
> $30 million (almost a dollar per resident, very much more per
> vote) on an election in which very few citizens would participate.
Davis can resign and the election will still happen. Once the
petitions were certified and the election date was set, the process
was unstoppable. That is why Bustamante has entered the race, as
he will also lose his job if the recall is successful. And the recall will
be very popular with voters, especially now with Arnold in it.
Casey
Aug 9th 2003, 6:09 am
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"Icono Clast" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> It's not just Europeans who are interested in us. In my experience,
> it's people everywhere.
Just how full of your own unimportance can you get?
Oh how I wish someone would sink the US of A and all who sail in her....
Tony
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> It's not just Europeans who are interested in us. In my experience,
> it's people everywhere.
Just how full of your own unimportance can you get?
Oh how I wish someone would sink the US of A and all who sail in her....
Tony
Aug 9th 2003, 6:32 am
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:09:54 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Tony Day"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
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... "Icono Clast" <[email protected]> wrote in message
... news:[email protected]...
... > It's not just Europeans who are interested in us. In my experience,
... > it's people everywhere.
...
... Just how full of your own unimportance can you get?
I'm afraid we are going to find out... very soon.
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
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... "Icono Clast" <[email protected]> wrote in message
... news:[email protected]...
... > It's not just Europeans who are interested in us. In my experience,
... > it's people everywhere.
...
... Just how full of your own unimportance can you get?
I'm afraid we are going to find out... very soon.
Aug 9th 2003, 6:38 am
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 16:31:07 GMT, "Casey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>That is why Bustamante has entered the race, as
>he will also lose his job if the recall is successful.
Lt. Governor Bustamante (not subject to this recall) will keep his
job, just so he can sign legislation into law while Arnold is making a
movie out of state.
Gordon
>That is why Bustamante has entered the race, as
>he will also lose his job if the recall is successful.
Lt. Governor Bustamante (not subject to this recall) will keep his
job, just so he can sign legislation into law while Arnold is making a
movie out of state.
Gordon
Aug 9th 2003, 11:44 am
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Richard <[email protected]> wrote:
> Maybe we should,there is a lot more to the world than McDonalds and
> the "Mickey Mouse" industry.
>
There is more to the USA than that, too.
> Maybe we should,there is a lot more to the world than McDonalds and
> the "Mickey Mouse" industry.
>
There is more to the USA than that, too.
Aug 9th 2003, 12:38 pm
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"Tim Vanhoof" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Richard <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Maybe we should,there is a lot more to the world than McDonalds and
> > the "Mickey Mouse" industry.
> >
> There is more to the USA than that, too.
But that is what is being exported all over the world. McDonalds in Moscow,
Colonel Sanders in Bejing. I was speaking to a Chinese student here in the
UK and I said to her when we were last in Bejing in 1990 they had the BBC
version of Oliver Twist on TV as well as Benny Hill. She smiled and said, we
have American programmes now.
Derek.
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> Richard <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Maybe we should,there is a lot more to the world than McDonalds and
> > the "Mickey Mouse" industry.
> >
> There is more to the USA than that, too.
But that is what is being exported all over the world. McDonalds in Moscow,
Colonel Sanders in Bejing. I was speaking to a Chinese student here in the
UK and I said to her when we were last in Bejing in 1990 they had the BBC
version of Oliver Twist on TV as well as Benny Hill. She smiled and said, we
have American programmes now.
Derek.
Aug 9th 2003, 9:39 pm
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In article <[email protected]>, john
<[email protected]> writes
>Why is this? People in the US don't sit around going on about what's
>happening in Europe, at least not to the extent of here.
Do most even know where Europe is?
--
Marie Lewis
<[email protected]> writes
>Why is this? People in the US don't sit around going on about what's
>happening in Europe, at least not to the extent of here.
Do most even know where Europe is?
--
Marie Lewis
Aug 10th 2003, 5:20 am
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oliver twist from 1968 was a favorite in america and its one of my favorite
films still enjoy it today.
films still enjoy it today.
Aug 10th 2003, 8:08 am
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"Awmd95" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> oliver twist from 1968 was a favorite in america and its one of my
favorite
> films still enjoy it today.
So what you're saying is "Please Sir, can I have some more?"
RTE
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> oliver twist from 1968 was a favorite in america and its one of my
favorite
> films still enjoy it today.
So what you're saying is "Please Sir, can I have some more?"
RTE
Aug 10th 2003, 1:36 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In article <[email protected]>, john
> <[email protected]> writes
> >Why is this? People in the US don't sit around going on about what's
> >happening in Europe, at least not to the extent of here.
>
>
> Do most even know where Europe is?
I think it's somewhere east of Spokane.
:-)
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10 Aug 2003, 1836 PDT
[email protected] says...
> In article <[email protected]>, john
> <[email protected]> writes
> >Why is this? People in the US don't sit around going on about what's
> >happening in Europe, at least not to the extent of here.
>
>
> Do most even know where Europe is?
I think it's somewhere east of Spokane.
:-)
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Steve
Shoreline, Washington USA
[email protected]
10 Aug 2003, 1836 PDT
Aug 10th 2003, 9:00 pm
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"Tony Day" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Icono Clast" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > It's not just Europeans who are interested in us. In my experience,
> > it's people everywhere.
>
> Just how full of your own unimportance can you get?
You seem to not read well.
> Oh how I wish someone would sink the US of A and all who sail in her....
The current "Captain" is trying to do just that. Your wish just might
be granted. But, if it were, remember that we are the most productive,
and greatest consuming, people on the planet. If we stopped producing
and/or buying, you'd suffer.
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> "Icono Clast" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > It's not just Europeans who are interested in us. In my experience,
> > it's people everywhere.
>
> Just how full of your own unimportance can you get?
You seem to not read well.
> Oh how I wish someone would sink the US of A and all who sail in her....
The current "Captain" is trying to do just that. Your wish just might
be granted. But, if it were, remember that we are the most productive,
and greatest consuming, people on the planet. If we stopped producing
and/or buying, you'd suffer.
__________________________________________________ ___________
A San Franciscan in 47.335 mile² San Francisco
http://geocities.com/dancefest/ http://geocities.com/iconoc/
ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/19098103 IClast at SFbay Net
Aug 11th 2003, 2:59 am
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In article <[email protected] >, Icono
Clast <[email protected]> writes
>If we stopped producing
>and/or buying, you'd suffer.
But somehow I think we would manage.
--
Marie Lewis
Clast <[email protected]> writes
>If we stopped producing
>and/or buying, you'd suffer.
But somehow I think we would manage.
--
Marie Lewis
Aug 11th 2003, 4:14 am
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Following up to john
>Having moved to the UK (London) this year, I'm puzzled by Europe's odd kind
>of love/hate fascination with all things American. People are constantly
>obsessing over weird things in the States (stuff that would be considered
>equally weird within the US, but people say "only in America"), or "in the
>US this...in the US that..." like the fat thread next to this one.
>Why is this? People in the US don't sit around going on about what's
>happening in Europe,
Perhaps they should?
>at least not to the extent of here. I find this very
>strange. also the fascination with American celebrities. It's just plain
>weird and I'm puzzled by it.
Thats the dominance of Hollywood.
You find a whole lot of love/hate with the US, resentment of cultural
imperialism, Mcdonalds and so on alongside fascination with the latest
US TV series.
One thing that is odd is sport. You will have noticed that the rest of
the world plays largely different games to the US.
--
Mike Reid
Flamenco, the European blues
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(see webpage for email)
>Having moved to the UK (London) this year, I'm puzzled by Europe's odd kind
>of love/hate fascination with all things American. People are constantly
>obsessing over weird things in the States (stuff that would be considered
>equally weird within the US, but people say "only in America"), or "in the
>US this...in the US that..." like the fat thread next to this one.
>Why is this? People in the US don't sit around going on about what's
>happening in Europe,
Perhaps they should?
>at least not to the extent of here. I find this very
>strange. also the fascination with American celebrities. It's just plain
>weird and I'm puzzled by it.
Thats the dominance of Hollywood.
You find a whole lot of love/hate with the US, resentment of cultural
imperialism, Mcdonalds and so on alongside fascination with the latest
US TV series.
One thing that is odd is sport. You will have noticed that the rest of
the world plays largely different games to the US.
--
Mike Reid
Flamenco, the European blues
"http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/andalus.htm#flamenco"
(see webpage for email)
Aug 11th 2003, 4:52 am
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:08:17 GMT, "e-head" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>its really a shame isn't it ...
>that the worst of america is being exported !
It depends on your point of view. In most cases it is the worst
of America being imported.
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wrote:
>its really a shame isn't it ...
>that the worst of america is being exported !
It depends on your point of view. In most cases it is the worst
of America being imported.
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Aug 11th 2003, 5:07 am
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"Wolfgang Schwanke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "john" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > People are
> > constantly obsessing over weird things in the States (stuff that would
> > be considered equally weird within the US, but people say "only in
> > America"), or "in the US this...in the US that..." like the fat thread
> > next to this one.
> Only some people.
> > Why is this?
> The United States have been an important ally and an important cultural
> influence for western Europe in the past 50 years. The latter also for the
> east. Many therefore consider her a role model (in the good or bad sense:
> as something to thrive for a bad example, depending). Of course this
> perception is partly a self-fulfilling prophecy.
> > People in the US don't sit around going on about what's
> > happening in Europe, at least not to the extent of here.
> Maybe they should?
Europe has many things to offer, including in the
> fields that Europeans seek in America: Movies, music, television ..
I guess I am an anomaly here in the states ...
as i watch far more foreign movies than stateside productions ...
i do tire sometimes of reading subtitles ...
currently Chineese cinema is my fav.
though i would recommend everyone see seabiscuit ...
every once in a while hollywood gets it right ..
%^)
cheers,
e
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> "john" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > People are
> > constantly obsessing over weird things in the States (stuff that would
> > be considered equally weird within the US, but people say "only in
> > America"), or "in the US this...in the US that..." like the fat thread
> > next to this one.
> Only some people.
> > Why is this?
> The United States have been an important ally and an important cultural
> influence for western Europe in the past 50 years. The latter also for the
> east. Many therefore consider her a role model (in the good or bad sense:
> as something to thrive for a bad example, depending). Of course this
> perception is partly a self-fulfilling prophecy.
> > People in the US don't sit around going on about what's
> > happening in Europe, at least not to the extent of here.
> Maybe they should?
Europe has many things to offer, including in the> fields that Europeans seek in America: Movies, music, television ..
I guess I am an anomaly here in the states ...
as i watch far more foreign movies than stateside productions ...
i do tire sometimes of reading subtitles ...
currently Chineese cinema is my fav.
though i would recommend everyone see seabiscuit ...
every once in a while hollywood gets it right ..
%^)
cheers,
e
