Martin

On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 18:09:39 +0100, "Chris" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >"Not the Karl Orff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> "Gene Seibel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected] oups.com...
    >>> > An airplane isn't a restaurant. An airplane isn't a movie theater. An
    >>> > airplane is a way to get from point A to point B in a reasonable amount
    >>> > of time and at reasonable cost. Most people see it as such.
    >>> > --
    >>> Ever been on a 22 hour flight say London to Sydney. The airplane has to
    >>> be
    >>> able to do a bit more than go from A to B.
    >> try about the same time SIN-LHR (or v-v, with 4-5 stops. QF, BA and
    >> M...something used to do this in the old old days.
    >Did it myself from 66 to 69 as a kid. Air travel was a relative pleasure
    >then without the great unwashed everywhere.

There were too many screaming spoilt kids around from 66 to 69.

Martin D . Pay

On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:28:42 +0100, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> mangled uncounted electrons thus:

    >"George Patterson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:76_pe.10585$nk4.9242@trndny01...
    >> Martin D. Pay wrote:
    >> >
    >> > My cry is for legroom - any other 'frill' is entirely irrelevant
    >> > to me.
    >> One of my fellow travelers where I used to work has very long legs and
    >gave me
    >> this tip. Try to get the seat immediately behind first class, or one of
    >the
    >> seats beside an emergency exit. Any seat behind a bulkhead will have more
    >> legroom than those behind another seat. They also are unpopular, since
    >there's
    >> no seat ahead under which to stow your carry-on luggage. That means you
    >can
    >> usually get that seat if you ask for it.
    >Those seats often have more knee more but less foot room.

Yes. Overall it's no better (for me, anyway)... :(

Martin D. Pay
The combination of intrusive security 'bots Stateside and cramped
conditions in every (affordable) seat mean that for the first
time in many years I currently have no plans in place to cross
the Pond...

Miguel Cruz

George Patterson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > One of my fellow travelers where I used to work has very long legs and gave me
    > this tip. Try to get the seat immediately behind first class, or one of the
    > seats beside an emergency exit. Any seat behind a bulkhead will have more
    > legroom than those behind another seat. They also are unpopular, since there's
    > no seat ahead under which to stow your carry-on luggage. That means you can
    > usually get that seat if you ask for it.

I'm quite tall and you couldn't pay me enough to take a bulkhead seat
(mainly the center-section ones). The legroom is generally awful compared to
a normal seat. On a long flight I'd probably be so cramped up I wouldn't be
able to walk the next day.

On the other hand, some of the exit rows, particularly those facing the crew
seats, are great. The seats are slightly narrower but may have near-infinite
legroom.

miguel
--
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Miguel Cruz

Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    > There were only two stops, the first in Abidjan in Iran

This was back when the Persian Empire stretched all the way to present-day
Ivory Coast?

miguel
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Pooh Bear

"Miss L. Toe" wrote:

    > What they are doing right is hanging to to some very lucrative long-haul
    > routes protected by cross-government agreements.

All long haul routes exist by inter governmental agreement. BA isn't especially
favoured. Unless you think it has all the best destinations ? I dare say its
slots at Heathrow are worth a bit - but then it is *the* major British Airline.

Graham

Pooh Bear

Chris wrote:

    > "tim (moved to sweden)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "d_jay_double" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected] oups.com...
    > >>I fly BA over ryanair anytime, as long as I can book early enough to
    > >> keep prices reasonable. Even if the difference is sometimes close to a
    > >> 100 pounds, I fly so often that I just can't stand the rush for seats
    > >> on ryanair, the cramped seating, the pay through your nose for a
    > >> sandwich syndrome....
    > >
    > > I fly Ryanair because of the convenience of the airports that they
    > > fly from. I just wish that BA (or others) would fly from nice quite
    > > airports where you can park your car 2 minutes from the terminal
    > > with another short walk to the gate. On return it's back in your
    > > car, 5 minues after landing.
    > >
    > > But they don't, they fly from monstrosities that you have to go
    > > to by Public transport (because the parking is unaffordable),
    > > arrive hours before the flight to fight through security etc.....
    > I do a lot from Southampton as an alternative to Heathrow living as I do 40
    > minutes from each. Car parking is relatively cheap and I have been known to
    > be off the plane and in my car in a couple of minutes in the short stay car
    > park and 10 minutes in the long stay.

Flying with.... ? Destination ?

The smaller airports certainly do have their advantages.

Graham

Pooh Bear

Jeff Hacker wrote:

    > "Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > d_jay_double <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> I fly BA over ryanair anytime, as long as I can book early enough to
    > >> keep prices reasonable. Even if the difference is sometimes close to a
    > >> 100 pounds, I fly so often that I just can't stand the rush for seats
    > >> on ryanair, the cramped seating, the pay through your nose for a
    > >> sandwich syndrome....
    > >
    > > They charge 100 pounds for a sandwich?
    > That really is "designer bread!"
    > >
    > > Because it would seem odd to pay 100 pound to avoid paying, say, 7 pounds
    > > for a sandwich.
    > But even 7 pounds seams pretty steep for a typical airline ham sandwich!

Maybe Tesco or M&S should set up sandwich shops in airports ? Now there's an
idea !

Graham

Pooh Bear

Chris wrote:

    > "Gene Seibel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] oups.com...
    > > An airplane isn't a restaurant. An airplane isn't a movie theater. An
    > > airplane is a way to get from point A to point B in a reasonable amount
    > > of time and at reasonable cost. Most people see it as such.
    > > --
    > Ever been on a 22 hour flight say London to Sydney. The airplane has to be
    > able to do a bit more than go from A to B.

Certainly need a dunny !

Graham

Pooh Bear

Jeff Hacker wrote:

    > "Gregory Morrow"
    > <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected] nk.net...
    > >
    > > Chris wrote:
    > >
    > >> "Gene Seibel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email protected] oups.com...
    > >> > An airplane isn't a restaurant. An airplane isn't a movie theater. An
    > >> > airplane is a way to get from point A to point B in a reasonable amount
    > >> > of time and at reasonable cost. Most people see it as such.
    > >> > --
    > >> Ever been on a 22 hour flight say London to Sydney. The airplane has to
    > >> be
    > >> able to do a bit more than go from A to B.
    > >
    > >
    > > The still - standing record for the longest non - stop commercial flight
    > > is
    > > the late - 50's TWA Los Angeles - London route, flown with the propeller -
    > > driven Lockheed L-1049G "Starliner" Constellation.
    > .actually, the Starliner was the L-1649
    > .it was almost 25 hours
    > > in length. Second record holder is a late - 50's Scandinavian Airlines
    > > flight flown with the prop Douglas DC-7C "Seven Seas" on the Los Angeles -
    > > Copenhagen route (both of these flights had to make refueling stops on
    > > their
    > > westbound legs e.g. LHR - LAX, CPH - LAX)...
    > >
    > > Of course these were primarily all First Class layouts with sleeper
    > > berths,
    > > etc..about 40 or so passengers max.
    > >
    > > I can't imagine bouncing around in a prop plane for all that time, even
    > > with
    > > the finest in amenities...
    > >
    > I'm old enough to have flown many hours in propeller airplanes
    > (Stratocruisers, DC6B's, DC7B's, DC7C's, etc.) They may have been a bit
    > noisy, but not particularly uncomfortable otherwise. Even when they added
    > an economy class in the DC7C's (2-3 seating), passenger comfort and legroom
    > was at least as nice as today's. The flights just droned on and on and on,
    > and they didn't have inflight entertainment then.

Thankfully it was just a short route but my first commercial flight was with
British Air Ferries ? From Southampton to Guernsey. In a Bristol Superfreighter.
Can't remember now if it was 2000ft out and 5000 back ( I think so ) or the
other way round.

Hit a fabulous 'air pocket' on the way out. You could almost hear the rivets
rattle.

One passenger was distinctly ill.

Graham

Pooh Bear

George Patterson wrote:

    > One Way Ticket wrote:
    > >
    > > The rear seating in a MD-80 series aircraft has to be the loudest of
    > > any aircraft on which I have ever flown.
    > Airline employees refer to these as the "headache seats."
    > George Patterson
    > Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
    > and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
    > Because she smells like a new truck.

What's the explanation when she wears rubber clothing then ?

Graham

Pooh Bear

Chris wrote:

    > "Not the Karl Orff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > try about the same time SIN-LHR (or v-v, with 4-5 stops. QF, BA and
    > > M...something used to do this in the old old days.
    > Did it myself from 66 to 69 as a kid. Air travel was a relative pleasure
    > then without the great unwashed everywhere.

I believe you forgot the obligatory wink !

Graham

Pooh Bear

George Patterson wrote:

    > Jeff Hacker wrote:
    > >
    > > Years ago, in the U.S., the major airlines offered two classes of economy
    > > service - one with meals and one without. The additional airfare charged
    > > for meals was $10 (about UKP 6) on a 5 1/2 hour flight between Hawaii and
    > > the U.S. West Coast. Within a short time, most passengers were paying the
    > > extra because they understood what they were buying.
    > And what tends to happen then with American businesses is that they quit
    > offering the less expensive airfare as a option because most of the passengers
    > want the meal. Later they get into a price war and drop the meal as a
    > cost-cutting measure or offer it only as part of a high-priced option package.
    > Same as auto manufacturers do.

If you're travelling on business it makes sense to eat on the plane so as to
maximise your available time to your client / whatever on the ground.

Graham

Chris

Opps Abadan, f***ing spellchecker
"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> There were only two stops, the first in Abidjan in Iran
    > This was back when the Persian Empire stretched all the way to present-day
    > Ivory Coast?
    > miguel
    > --
    > Hit The Road! Photos from 36 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu
    > Latest photos: Queens Day in Amsterdam; the Grand Canyon; Amman, Jordan

Morgans

"George Patterson" <[email protected]> wrote >

    > Airline employees refer to these as the "headache seats."

I flew in once that either had a bearing going out, or was terribly out of
ballance. The right engine vibrated, and beat in a way that could not have
been normal.
--
Jim in NC

Chris

"Pooh Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Chris wrote:
    >> "tim (moved to sweden)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> >
    >> > "d_jay_double" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> > news:[email protected] oups.com...
    >> >>I fly BA over ryanair anytime, as long as I can book early enough to
    >> >> keep prices reasonable. Even if the difference is sometimes close to a
    >> >> 100 pounds, I fly so often that I just can't stand the rush for seats
    >> >> on ryanair, the cramped seating, the pay through your nose for a
    >> >> sandwich syndrome....
    >> >
    >> > I fly Ryanair because of the convenience of the airports that they
    >> > fly from. I just wish that BA (or others) would fly from nice quite
    >> > airports where you can park your car 2 minutes from the terminal
    >> > with another short walk to the gate. On return it's back in your
    >> > car, 5 minues after landing.
    >> >
    >> > But they don't, they fly from monstrosities that you have to go
    >> > to by Public transport (because the parking is unaffordable),
    >> > arrive hours before the flight to fight through security etc.....
    >> I do a lot from Southampton as an alternative to Heathrow living as I do
    >> 40
    >> minutes from each. Car parking is relatively cheap and I have been known
    >> to
    >> be off the plane and in my car in a couple of minutes in the short stay
    >> car
    >> park and 10 minutes in the long stay.
    > Flying with.... ? Destination ?
    > The smaller airports certainly do have their advantages.

BA Glasgow, Edinburgh
Flybe Leeds Edinburgh, Newcastle, the Channel Isles Palma
Air France Paris
for a start