European trains
Jan 26th 2003, 3:24 pm
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European trains
Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
compartments to bus-like open cars.
Marianne
compartments to bus-like open cars.
Marianne
Jan 26th 2003, 3:41 pm
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mimi wrote:
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> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
> compartments to bus-like open cars.
>
> Marianne
Yes, there are still trains with compartments. The open cars are more
like planes than buses, IMO.
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> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
> compartments to bus-like open cars.
>
> Marianne
Yes, there are still trains with compartments. The open cars are more
like planes than buses, IMO.
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Jan 26th 2003, 4:04 pm
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> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
> compartments to bus-like open cars.
In Germany, they often mix the two types on the same train. But to raise
the stakes: to what extent are there still trains with compartments AND
windows that open (the ultimate in train travel) !?!?!?!
> compartments to bus-like open cars.
In Germany, they often mix the two types on the same train. But to raise
the stakes: to what extent are there still trains with compartments AND
windows that open (the ultimate in train travel) !?!?!?!
Jan 26th 2003, 5:38 pm
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Yes, particulalrly in Central and Eastern Europe. During a trip this summer
I travelled in this type of compartment in:
Germany, Czech R, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria.
I think they still exist in Italy and they used to have them in Yugoslavia.
.................................................. .
I've never come across them in: UK, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark,
Finland, Latvia, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, France and the Netherlands.
I'm not sure about Spain, Greece and Portugal.
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> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
> compartments to bus-like open cars.
> Marianne
I travelled in this type of compartment in:
Germany, Czech R, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria.
I think they still exist in Italy and they used to have them in Yugoslavia.
.................................................. .
I've never come across them in: UK, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark,
Finland, Latvia, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, France and the Netherlands.
I'm not sure about Spain, Greece and Portugal.
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"mimi" wrote in message
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> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
> compartments to bus-like open cars.
> Marianne
Jan 26th 2003, 6:07 pm
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On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:04:58 +0000, Douglas W. Hoyt wrote:
>> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
>> compartments to bus-like open cars.
>
> In Germany, they often mix the two types on the same train. But to raise
> the stakes: to what extent are there still trains with compartments AND
> windows that open (the ultimate in train travel) !?!?!?!
However, newer cars, in Germany and also in Belgium, seem to have been
designed by folks bent upon inflicting smoke from smoking section upon the
nonsmokers.
These cars are open, with smoking at one end and nonsmoking at the other
end of the car, with no division. Real awful if you ask me. Are these
guys on a crusade to punish nonsmokers, or what?
>> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
>> compartments to bus-like open cars.
>
> In Germany, they often mix the two types on the same train. But to raise
> the stakes: to what extent are there still trains with compartments AND
> windows that open (the ultimate in train travel) !?!?!?!
However, newer cars, in Germany and also in Belgium, seem to have been
designed by folks bent upon inflicting smoke from smoking section upon the
nonsmokers.
These cars are open, with smoking at one end and nonsmoking at the other
end of the car, with no division. Real awful if you ask me. Are these
guys on a crusade to punish nonsmokers, or what?
Jan 26th 2003, 7:42 pm
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"Marianne":
> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe?
On some routes, in some countries.
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> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe?
On some routes, in some countries.
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Jan 26th 2003, 7:54 pm
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:24:06 GMT mimi said...
> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
> compartments to bus-like open cars.
It varies, you need to be more specific about what trip(s) you are
making. Generally the older rolling stock is of different designs (open &
compartment stock), most of the newer stock including High Speed sets
(e.g. TGVs in France) are almost always open plan.
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> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
> compartments to bus-like open cars.
It varies, you need to be more specific about what trip(s) you are
making. Generally the older rolling stock is of different designs (open &
compartment stock), most of the newer stock including High Speed sets
(e.g. TGVs in France) are almost always open plan.
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Phil Richards
Stroud Green, London, N4
Jan 26th 2003, 8:29 pm
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Jomar Hønsi wrote:
> "mimi" wrote in message
> > Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
> > compartments to bus-like open cars.
> Yes, particulalrly in Central and Eastern Europe. During a trip this summer
> I travelled in this type of compartment in:
> Germany, Czech R, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria.
> I think they still exist in Italy and they used to have them in Yugoslavia.
> .................................................. .
> I've never come across them in: UK, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark,
> Finland, Latvia, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, France and the Netherlands.
FWIW, there are such trains in the Netherlands. Two types: one
is the older-style Dutch carriage with three separate compartments
(not merely one set of facing seats, but still smaller than the
entire carriage), and also trains with individual compartments and
a corridor down one side of the carriage. The latter are a series
of older carriages purchased from DB and refurbished to make up for
a shortage of carriages on the NS.
That said, both types seem to be used primarily (if not solely) on
local trains, so a tourist is not likely to ride them.
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> "mimi" wrote in message
> > Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
> > compartments to bus-like open cars.
> Yes, particulalrly in Central and Eastern Europe. During a trip this summer
> I travelled in this type of compartment in:
> Germany, Czech R, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria.
> I think they still exist in Italy and they used to have them in Yugoslavia.
> .................................................. .
> I've never come across them in: UK, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark,
> Finland, Latvia, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, France and the Netherlands.
FWIW, there are such trains in the Netherlands. Two types: one
is the older-style Dutch carriage with three separate compartments
(not merely one set of facing seats, but still smaller than the
entire carriage), and also trains with individual compartments and
a corridor down one side of the carriage. The latter are a series
of older carriages purchased from DB and refurbished to make up for
a shortage of carriages on the NS.
That said, both types seem to be used primarily (if not solely) on
local trains, so a tourist is not likely to ride them.
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Jan 26th 2003, 8:45 pm
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devil wrote:
> However, newer cars, in Germany and also in Belgium, seem to have been
> designed by folks bent upon inflicting smoke from smoking section upon the
> nonsmokers.
>
> These cars are open, with smoking at one end and nonsmoking at the other
> end of the car, with no division. Real awful if you ask me. Are these
> guys on a crusade to punish nonsmokers, or what?
The number of "smoking" places has continuously diminished, and soon all
domestic trains in Belgium will be completely non smoking. I believe
this will soon be the case in Germany also... In this context investing
in seperate smoking compartments doesn't make much sense.
Anyway, I've never been bothered by smokers in the new Belgian I11
carriages. The ventilation system keeps the smoke at the smoker's end...
Krist
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> However, newer cars, in Germany and also in Belgium, seem to have been
> designed by folks bent upon inflicting smoke from smoking section upon the
> nonsmokers.
>
> These cars are open, with smoking at one end and nonsmoking at the other
> end of the car, with no division. Real awful if you ask me. Are these
> guys on a crusade to punish nonsmokers, or what?
The number of "smoking" places has continuously diminished, and soon all
domestic trains in Belgium will be completely non smoking. I believe
this will soon be the case in Germany also... In this context investing
in seperate smoking compartments doesn't make much sense.
Anyway, I've never been bothered by smokers in the new Belgian I11
carriages. The ventilation system keeps the smoke at the smoker's end...
Krist
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Krist Bern, Switzerland
Jan 26th 2003, 9:30 pm
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"Jomar Hønsi" wrote in message
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> Yes, particulalrly in Central and Eastern Europe. During a trip this
summer
> I travelled in this type of compartment in:
> Germany, Czech R, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria.
> I think they still exist in Italy and they used to have them in
Yugoslavia.
> .................................................. .
> I've never come across them in: UK, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark,
> Finland, Latvia, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, France and the
Netherlands.
> I'm not sure about Spain, Greece and Portugal.
In the UK the first class section sometimes has compartments but I have not
seen them in 2nd class for some years.
Roger
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> Yes, particulalrly in Central and Eastern Europe. During a trip this
summer
> I travelled in this type of compartment in:
> Germany, Czech R, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria.
> I think they still exist in Italy and they used to have them in
Yugoslavia.
> .................................................. .
> I've never come across them in: UK, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark,
> Finland, Latvia, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, France and the
Netherlands.
> I'm not sure about Spain, Greece and Portugal.
In the UK the first class section sometimes has compartments but I have not
seen them in 2nd class for some years.
Roger
Jan 26th 2003, 10:50 pm
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In message , mimi writes
>Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
>compartments to bus-like open cars.
I don't think there are any left in the UK, except maybe a few local
suburban trains in the London area. The last mainline compartment
carriages were the first class Mark 2 coaches built in the early 1970s,
and I think they've all been gone for some years; the last second class
carriages were Mark 1's from the 50s and 60s, which are long gone except
on preserved railways.
(For information, the coaches used on HSTs and soon to be withdrawn from
Virgin's West Coast routes out of London Euston are Mark 3's, while the
ones on GNER's trains out of London Kings Cross are Mark 4's.)
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>Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
>compartments to bus-like open cars.
I don't think there are any left in the UK, except maybe a few local
suburban trains in the London area. The last mainline compartment
carriages were the first class Mark 2 coaches built in the early 1970s,
and I think they've all been gone for some years; the last second class
carriages were Mark 1's from the 50s and 60s, which are long gone except
on preserved railways.
(For information, the coaches used on HSTs and soon to be withdrawn from
Virgin's West Coast routes out of London Euston are Mark 3's, while the
ones on GNER's trains out of London Kings Cross are Mark 4's.)
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http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/
Jan 27th 2003, 12:01 am
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:50:51 +0000, Arwel Parry
wrote:
>In message , mimi writes
>>Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
>>compartments to bus-like open cars.
>I don't think there are any left in the UK, except maybe a few local
>suburban trains in the London area. The last mainline compartment
>carriages were the first class Mark 2 coaches built in the early 1970s,
The Waterloo->Woking/Guildford still have some compartment carriages
on them, and I think some of the Southampton ones do to, but they're
mostly replaced by those awful new things.
Jim.
wrote:
>In message , mimi writes
>>Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
>>compartments to bus-like open cars.
>I don't think there are any left in the UK, except maybe a few local
>suburban trains in the London area. The last mainline compartment
>carriages were the first class Mark 2 coaches built in the early 1970s,
The Waterloo->Woking/Guildford still have some compartment carriages
on them, and I think some of the Southampton ones do to, but they're
mostly replaced by those awful new things.
Jim.
Jan 27th 2003, 1:15 am
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In article ,
Arwel Parry wrote:
>In message , mimi writes
>>Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
>>compartments to bus-like open cars.
>I don't think there are any left in the UK, except maybe a few local
>suburban trains in the London area
Yes, the only UK trains with compartments nowadays are some
southern region electric units. The 'Wessex Electrics' running from Waterloo
to Southampton/Bournemouth/Weymouth have some 1st class compartments. Also
most of the old 'slam door' trains running out of Waterloo, Charing Cross,
Victoria etc have about 3 first class compartments per train, and 1 standard
class compartment.
Compartments can still be found in continental Europe, sometimes on the odd
daytime train, but most predictably on sleeper services with couchette cars.
(During the day, couchette compartments fold down into seats).
phil
Arwel Parry wrote:
>In message , mimi writes
>>Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
>>compartments to bus-like open cars.
>I don't think there are any left in the UK, except maybe a few local
>suburban trains in the London area
Yes, the only UK trains with compartments nowadays are some
southern region electric units. The 'Wessex Electrics' running from Waterloo
to Southampton/Bournemouth/Weymouth have some 1st class compartments. Also
most of the old 'slam door' trains running out of Waterloo, Charing Cross,
Victoria etc have about 3 first class compartments per train, and 1 standard
class compartment.
Compartments can still be found in continental Europe, sometimes on the odd
daytime train, but most predictably on sleeper services with couchette cars.
(During the day, couchette compartments fold down into seats).
phil
Jan 27th 2003, 2:07 am
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mimi wrote:
> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
> compartments to bus-like open cars.
All Italian ES and Pendolino trains have open cars. IC and Express
trains often have both (but there are more compartment than open cars).
IR, Diretto and local trains have usually open cars.
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> Are there still trains with compartments in Europe? I much prefer
> compartments to bus-like open cars.
All Italian ES and Pendolino trains have open cars. IC and Express
trains often have both (but there are more compartment than open cars).
IR, Diretto and local trains have usually open cars.
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Jan 27th 2003, 2:24 am
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:45:28 +0100, Krist van Besien wrote:
> devil wrote:
>
>> However, newer cars, in Germany and also in Belgium, seem to have been
>> designed by folks bent upon inflicting smoke from smoking section upon the
>> nonsmokers.
>>
>> These cars are open, with smoking at one end and nonsmoking at the other
>> end of the car, with no division. Real awful if you ask me. Are these
>> guys on a crusade to punish nonsmokers, or what?
>
> The number of "smoking" places has continuously diminished, and soon all
> domestic trains in Belgium will be completely non smoking. I believe
> this will soon be the case in Germany also... In this context investing
> in seperate smoking compartments doesn't make much sense.
> Anyway, I've never been bothered by smokers in the new Belgian I11
> carriages. The ventilation system keeps the smoke at the smoker's end...
I guess we are dealing with different levels of sensitivity then. We are
pretty much used to a fully smoke-free environment. As a result, we tend
to notice just the smell of a far away smoker nowadays.
However, the best story we have on smoking on Belgian trains is quite a
bit worse. We were in a local train, in a non-smoking first class
compartment. The conductor walks in and takes a seat to do his paperwork.
With a cigarette on.
A relative who works for the railway whom I told the story was unwilling
to believe us. Insisted it must have been one of the new "share the smoke"
coaches. Which it was not.
presence of
> devil wrote:
>
>> However, newer cars, in Germany and also in Belgium, seem to have been
>> designed by folks bent upon inflicting smoke from smoking section upon the
>> nonsmokers.
>>
>> These cars are open, with smoking at one end and nonsmoking at the other
>> end of the car, with no division. Real awful if you ask me. Are these
>> guys on a crusade to punish nonsmokers, or what?
>
> The number of "smoking" places has continuously diminished, and soon all
> domestic trains in Belgium will be completely non smoking. I believe
> this will soon be the case in Germany also... In this context investing
> in seperate smoking compartments doesn't make much sense.
> Anyway, I've never been bothered by smokers in the new Belgian I11
> carriages. The ventilation system keeps the smoke at the smoker's end...
I guess we are dealing with different levels of sensitivity then. We are
pretty much used to a fully smoke-free environment. As a result, we tend
to notice just the smell of a far away smoker nowadays.
However, the best story we have on smoking on Belgian trains is quite a
bit worse. We were in a local train, in a non-smoking first class
compartment. The conductor walks in and takes a seat to do his paperwork.
With a cigarette on.
A relative who works for the railway whom I told the story was unwilling
to believe us. Insisted it must have been one of the new "share the smoke"
coaches. Which it was not.
presence of
