European Pollution
Mar 17th 2005 | 9:16 pm
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European Pollution
http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
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Martin
A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
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Martin
Mar 17th 2005 | 9:46 pm
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Re: European Pollution
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:16:17 +0100, nitram wrote:
> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>
> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
> ...
I've always worried about northern Italy, but I suspect some of the reason
is the weather there, in the lee of the Alps, it's been my experience that
it's very often hazy and still, so the dirty air just collects there.
I live in that little bit that stretches from Munich into Austria - at
least just on the edge. I really notice the difference driving into Linz,
where the air smells of coal and sulphur. Not as bad as it used to be, but
still bad enough.
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Tim C.
> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>
> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
> ...
I've always worried about northern Italy, but I suspect some of the reason
is the weather there, in the lee of the Alps, it's been my experience that
it's very often hazy and still, so the dirty air just collects there.
I live in that little bit that stretches from Munich into Austria - at
least just on the edge. I really notice the difference driving into Linz,
where the air smells of coal and sulphur. Not as bad as it used to be, but
still bad enough.
--
Tim C.
Mar 17th 2005 | 9:49 pm
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Re: European Pollution
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:46:05 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:16:17 +0100, nitram wrote:
>> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>>
>> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>> ...
>I've always worried about northern Italy, but I suspect some of the reason
>is the weather there, in the lee of the Alps, it's been my experience that
>it's very often hazy and still, so the dirty air just collects there.
>I live in that little bit that stretches from Munich into Austria - at
>least just on the edge. I really notice the difference driving into Linz,
>where the air smells of coal and sulphur. Not as bad as it used to be, but
>still bad enough.
On a still clear frosty day you can pick out the Dutch motorways from
the air by the yellow haze that is above them.
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:16:17 +0100, nitram wrote:
>> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>>
>> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>> ...
>I've always worried about northern Italy, but I suspect some of the reason
>is the weather there, in the lee of the Alps, it's been my experience that
>it's very often hazy and still, so the dirty air just collects there.
>I live in that little bit that stretches from Munich into Austria - at
>least just on the edge. I really notice the difference driving into Linz,
>where the air smells of coal and sulphur. Not as bad as it used to be, but
>still bad enough.
On a still clear frosty day you can pick out the Dutch motorways from
the air by the yellow haze that is above them.
--
Martin
Mar 17th 2005 | 9:58 pm
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Re: European Pollution
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:49:16 +0100, nitram wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:46:05 +0100, Tim Challenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:16:17 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>>>
>>> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>>> ...
>>I've always worried about northern Italy, but I suspect some of the reason
>>is the weather there, in the lee of the Alps, it's been my experience that
>>it's very often hazy and still, so the dirty air just collects there.
>>I live in that little bit that stretches from Munich into Austria - at
>>least just on the edge. I really notice the difference driving into Linz,
>>where the air smells of coal and sulphur. Not as bad as it used to be, but
>>still bad enough.
>
> On a still clear frosty day you can pick out the Dutch motorways from
> the air by the yellow haze that is above them.
Yuck. Well, Linz is like that, and in the Winter a lot of the valleys in
the mountains -like around Zell am See. But the motorways don't seem so
bad.
In around 1991 at the steel works here, they installed pollution monitors
at certain sites around the works, you could check up (in the prototype
version) at any time for the last month or so to see what levels had been
reached. They used to wait until Wednesday night and dump all the crap
they've been saving up all week into the air. So everybody was asleep and
few noticed how impressive the clouds were. If you were quick, you could
get the raw display to show way off the scale. By the morning that peak had
been smoothed to one that looked ok. And of course, those were the 'peak'
figures that were published.
Those were the days where your car would be covered in a layer of fine coal
and metallic dust.
--
Tim C.
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:46:05 +0100, Tim Challenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:16:17 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>>>
>>> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>>> ...
>>I've always worried about northern Italy, but I suspect some of the reason
>>is the weather there, in the lee of the Alps, it's been my experience that
>>it's very often hazy and still, so the dirty air just collects there.
>>I live in that little bit that stretches from Munich into Austria - at
>>least just on the edge. I really notice the difference driving into Linz,
>>where the air smells of coal and sulphur. Not as bad as it used to be, but
>>still bad enough.
>
> On a still clear frosty day you can pick out the Dutch motorways from
> the air by the yellow haze that is above them.
Yuck. Well, Linz is like that, and in the Winter a lot of the valleys in
the mountains -like around Zell am See. But the motorways don't seem so
bad.
In around 1991 at the steel works here, they installed pollution monitors
at certain sites around the works, you could check up (in the prototype
version) at any time for the last month or so to see what levels had been
reached. They used to wait until Wednesday night and dump all the crap
they've been saving up all week into the air. So everybody was asleep and
few noticed how impressive the clouds were. If you were quick, you could
get the raw display to show way off the scale. By the morning that peak had
been smoothed to one that looked ok. And of course, those were the 'peak'
figures that were published.
Those were the days where your car would be covered in a layer of fine coal
and metallic dust.
--
Tim C.
Mar 17th 2005 | 11:00 pm
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Re: European Pollution
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:58:08 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:49:16 +0100, nitram wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:46:05 +0100, Tim Challenger
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:16:17 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>>>>
>>>> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>>>> ...
>>>I've always worried about northern Italy, but I suspect some of the reason
>>>is the weather there, in the lee of the Alps, it's been my experience that
>>>it's very often hazy and still, so the dirty air just collects there.
>>>I live in that little bit that stretches from Munich into Austria - at
>>>least just on the edge. I really notice the difference driving into Linz,
>>>where the air smells of coal and sulphur. Not as bad as it used to be, but
>>>still bad enough.
>>
>> On a still clear frosty day you can pick out the Dutch motorways from
>> the air by the yellow haze that is above them.
>Yuck. Well, Linz is like that, and in the Winter a lot of the valleys in
>the mountains -like around Zell am See. But the motorways don't seem so
>bad.
>In around 1991 at the steel works here, they installed pollution monitors
>at certain sites around the works,
Lack of grass was a fair indication of pollution around steel works in
South Wales before high tech monitoring was invented.
I'm ex- Llanwern.
>you could check up (in the prototype
>version) at any time for the last month or so to see what levels had been
>reached. They used to wait until Wednesday night and dump all the crap
>they've been saving up all week into the air. So everybody was asleep and
>few noticed how impressive the clouds were. If you were quick, you could
>get the raw display to show way off the scale. By the morning that peak had
>been smoothed to one that looked ok. And of course, those were the 'peak'
>figures that were published.
>Those were the days where your car would be covered in a layer of fine coal
>and metallic dust.
I knew somebody, who left his white boat moored in Ijmuiden near Corus
steel works for two weeks. It was a lovely red oxide colour when he
went back.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:49:16 +0100, nitram wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:46:05 +0100, Tim Challenger
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:16:17 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>>>>
>>>> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>>>> ...
>>>I've always worried about northern Italy, but I suspect some of the reason
>>>is the weather there, in the lee of the Alps, it's been my experience that
>>>it's very often hazy and still, so the dirty air just collects there.
>>>I live in that little bit that stretches from Munich into Austria - at
>>>least just on the edge. I really notice the difference driving into Linz,
>>>where the air smells of coal and sulphur. Not as bad as it used to be, but
>>>still bad enough.
>>
>> On a still clear frosty day you can pick out the Dutch motorways from
>> the air by the yellow haze that is above them.
>Yuck. Well, Linz is like that, and in the Winter a lot of the valleys in
>the mountains -like around Zell am See. But the motorways don't seem so
>bad.
>In around 1991 at the steel works here, they installed pollution monitors
>at certain sites around the works,
Lack of grass was a fair indication of pollution around steel works in
South Wales before high tech monitoring was invented.
I'm ex- Llanwern.
>you could check up (in the prototype
>version) at any time for the last month or so to see what levels had been
>reached. They used to wait until Wednesday night and dump all the crap
>they've been saving up all week into the air. So everybody was asleep and
>few noticed how impressive the clouds were. If you were quick, you could
>get the raw display to show way off the scale. By the morning that peak had
>been smoothed to one that looked ok. And of course, those were the 'peak'
>figures that were published.
>Those were the days where your car would be covered in a layer of fine coal
>and metallic dust.
I knew somebody, who left his white boat moored in Ijmuiden near Corus
steel works for two weeks. It was a lovely red oxide colour when he
went back.
--
Martin
Mar 17th 2005 | 11:54 pm
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Re: European Pollution
>On a still clear frosty day you can pick out the Dutch motorways from
>the air by the yellow haze that is above them.
Is that why they use yellow lines to indicate roads on the map?
>the air by the yellow haze that is above them.
Is that why they use yellow lines to indicate roads on the map?
Mar 17th 2005 | 11:55 pm
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Re: European Pollution
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:54:47 GMT, Mike <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>On a still clear frosty day you can pick out the Dutch motorways from
>>the air by the yellow haze that is above them.
>Is that why they use yellow lines to indicate roads on the map?
Possibly?
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wrote:
>>On a still clear frosty day you can pick out the Dutch motorways from
>>the air by the yellow haze that is above them.
>Is that why they use yellow lines to indicate roads on the map?
Possibly?
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Martin
Mar 18th 2005 | 1:30 am
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nitram wrote:
> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
Aren't you glad the article was only about European pollution. From the
world wide picture, the pollution covered a larger area in the US north
east, and has and much larger areas of the highest levels of pollution.
> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
Aren't you glad the article was only about European pollution. From the
world wide picture, the pollution covered a larger area in the US north
east, and has and much larger areas of the highest levels of pollution.
Mar 18th 2005 | 1:37 am
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"nitram" <[email protected]> schrieb:
> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
> ...
> --
> Martin
Interesting link.
It shows that you can't even live in the Channel anymore
without pollution,
Well, I favour Lake Geneva anyway:-)
Ticino seems to get away with it, at least on that day.
The pollutants have to stop at the Swiss border anyway,
I've been told:)
> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
> ...
> --
> Martin
Interesting link.
It shows that you can't even live in the Channel anymore
without pollution,
Well, I favour Lake Geneva anyway:-)
Ticino seems to get away with it, at least on that day.
The pollutants have to stop at the Swiss border anyway,
I've been told:)
Mar 18th 2005 | 1:42 am
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Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> nitram wrote:
>
> > http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
> >
> > A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>
> Aren't you glad the article was only about European pollution. From the
> world wide picture, the pollution covered a larger area in the US north
> east, and has and much larger areas of the highest levels of pollution.
China was pretty scary looking on the map as well!
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> nitram wrote:
>
> > http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
> >
> > A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>
> Aren't you glad the article was only about European pollution. From the
> world wide picture, the pollution covered a larger area in the US north
> east, and has and much larger areas of the highest levels of pollution.
China was pretty scary looking on the map as well!
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Mar 18th 2005 | 3:51 am
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Glad I'm in non-LA California, although if you look at the sky outside
here it is a brownish grey on the worst days. What I'm trying to figure
out is how Houston looks less polluted than LA...
here it is a brownish grey on the worst days. What I'm trying to figure
out is how Houston looks less polluted than LA...
Mar 18th 2005 | 5:22 am
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:46:05 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:16:17 +0100, nitram wrote:
>> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>>
>> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>> ...
>I've always worried about northern Italy, but I suspect some of the reason
>is the weather there, in the lee of the Alps, it's been my experience that
>it's very often hazy and still, so the dirty air just collects there.
Damn right, the air is shit here. I am planning to get out soon.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:16:17 +0100, nitram wrote:
>> http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>>
>> A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>> ...
>I've always worried about northern Italy, but I suspect some of the reason
>is the weather there, in the lee of the Alps, it's been my experience that
>it's very often hazy and still, so the dirty air just collects there.
Damn right, the air is shit here. I am planning to get out soon.
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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Mar 18th 2005 | 5:26 am
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:42:49 +0000, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>> nitram wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>> >
>> > A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>>
>> Aren't you glad the article was only about European pollution. From the
>> world wide picture, the pollution covered a larger area in the US north
>> east, and has and much larger areas of the highest levels of pollution.
>China was pretty scary looking on the map as well!
China has horrendous pollution, to the point where is virtually
cancels out their collosal economic growth. An utterly filthy place.
They would do well to direct some of their newfound wealth into
cleaning the place up a bit.
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>> nitram wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>> >
>> > A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>>
>> Aren't you glad the article was only about European pollution. From the
>> world wide picture, the pollution covered a larger area in the US north
>> east, and has and much larger areas of the highest levels of pollution.
>China was pretty scary looking on the map as well!
China has horrendous pollution, to the point where is virtually
cancels out their collosal economic growth. An utterly filthy place.
They would do well to direct some of their newfound wealth into
cleaning the place up a bit.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
Mar 18th 2005 | 2:13 pm
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Tim Challenger wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:16:17 +0100, nitram wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>>A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>>...
>
>
> I've always worried about northern Italy, but I suspect some of the reason
> is the weather there, in the lee of the Alps, it's been my experience that
> it's very often hazy and still, so the dirty air just collects there.
That certainly has a lot to do with the famous Los Angeles
"smog"! Despite more and more cars, it's better now than
when I moved here in the 1950's, but it still pockets up
against the foothills in some of the "Inland Empire"
communities.
>
> I live in that little bit that stretches from Munich into Austria - at
> least just on the edge. I really notice the difference driving into Linz,
> where the air smells of coal and sulphur. Not as bad as it used to be, but
> still bad enough.
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:16:17 +0100, nitram wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.esa.int/export/esaEO/SEM3...D_index_0.html
>>A good reason not to live in NL, Paris, Rhine Valley, Northern Italy
>>...
>
>
> I've always worried about northern Italy, but I suspect some of the reason
> is the weather there, in the lee of the Alps, it's been my experience that
> it's very often hazy and still, so the dirty air just collects there.
That certainly has a lot to do with the famous Los Angeles
"smog"! Despite more and more cars, it's better now than
when I moved here in the 1950's, but it still pockets up
against the foothills in some of the "Inland Empire"
communities.
>
> I live in that little bit that stretches from Munich into Austria - at
> least just on the edge. I really notice the difference driving into Linz,
> where the air smells of coal and sulphur. Not as bad as it used to be, but
> still bad enough.
Mar 18th 2005 | 2:15 pm
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Mike wrote:
>>On a still clear frosty day you can pick out the Dutch motorways from
>>the air by the yellow haze that is above them.
>
>
> Is that why they use yellow lines to indicate roads on the map?
In California, the "haze" is more brown than yellow, but
when you see it from above, observe your plane's descent
into it, and realize that's what Angelenos are breathing,
much of the time.....
>>On a still clear frosty day you can pick out the Dutch motorways from
>>the air by the yellow haze that is above them.
>
>
> Is that why they use yellow lines to indicate roads on the map?
In California, the "haze" is more brown than yellow, but
when you see it from above, observe your plane's descent
into it, and realize that's what Angelenos are breathing,
much of the time.....
