Europe in July
Jun 21st 2003, 1:52 am
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Re: Europe in July
"Ralph" wrote
| >> I wouldn't recommend the Netherlands. Sure, it caters extremely well
| >> for cyclists, but riding around it is BLOODY BORING!!!
| > There are lots of very scenic bike routes in the Netherlands. The
| > local tourist offices (VVV) can recommend some.
| Yes, but the Netherlands have certain deficiencies in the hilly
department.
| They were first to the queue when the plains were handed out, though.
Where else can you cycle below sea level?
Owain
| >> I wouldn't recommend the Netherlands. Sure, it caters extremely well
| >> for cyclists, but riding around it is BLOODY BORING!!!
| > There are lots of very scenic bike routes in the Netherlands. The
| > local tourist offices (VVV) can recommend some.
| Yes, but the Netherlands have certain deficiencies in the hilly
department.
| They were first to the queue when the plains were handed out, though.
Where else can you cycle below sea level?
Owain
Jun 21st 2003, 1:54 am
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"Ralph" wrote
| >> Yes, but the Netherlands have certain deficiencies in the hilly
| >> department. They were first to the queue when the plains were handed
| >> out, though.
| > Isn't that what you want for cycling?
| Me? Being from South Germany, plains don't hold much attraction.
Last year I met some German cyclists, from near Munich I think, who despite
being used to German Alpine roads found Scottish ones rather hard work. It
seems that German roads go gently round and round the mountains, so the
incline is moderate but the distance is greater. The Scottish roads go up.
Owain
| >> Yes, but the Netherlands have certain deficiencies in the hilly
| >> department. They were first to the queue when the plains were handed
| >> out, though.
| > Isn't that what you want for cycling?
| Me? Being from South Germany, plains don't hold much attraction.
Last year I met some German cyclists, from near Munich I think, who despite
being used to German Alpine roads found Scottish ones rather hard work. It
seems that German roads go gently round and round the mountains, so the
incline is moderate but the distance is greater. The Scottish roads go up.
Owain
Jun 21st 2003, 2:16 am
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Re: Europe in July
Ralph wrote:
>
> >> I wouldn't recommend the Netherlands. Sure, it caters extremely well
> >> for cyclists, but riding around it is BLOODY BORING!!!
> >
> > There are lots of very scenic bike routes in the Netherlands. The
> > local tourist offices (VVV) can recommend some.
>
> Yes, but the Netherlands have certain deficiencies in the hilly department.
> They were first to the queue when the plains were handed out, though.
That doesn't make it boring, though.
Barbara
>
> >> I wouldn't recommend the Netherlands. Sure, it caters extremely well
> >> for cyclists, but riding around it is BLOODY BORING!!!
> >
> > There are lots of very scenic bike routes in the Netherlands. The
> > local tourist offices (VVV) can recommend some.
>
> Yes, but the Netherlands have certain deficiencies in the hilly department.
> They were first to the queue when the plains were handed out, though.
That doesn't make it boring, though.
Barbara
Jun 21st 2003, 3:44 am
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>> > There are lots of very scenic bike routes in the Netherlands. The
>> > local tourist offices (VVV) can recommend some.
>>
>> Yes, but the Netherlands have certain deficiencies in the hilly
>> department. They were first to the queue when the plains were handed
>> out, though.
>
> That doesn't make it boring, though.
I did not wish to imply that! Not seriously, anyway.
Ralph
>> > local tourist offices (VVV) can recommend some.
>>
>> Yes, but the Netherlands have certain deficiencies in the hilly
>> department. They were first to the queue when the plains were handed
>> out, though.
>
> That doesn't make it boring, though.
I did not wish to imply that! Not seriously, anyway.
Ralph
Jun 21st 2003, 4:54 am
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Re: Europe in July
In article ,
"Joe" wrote:
> Hello all! I've never traveled to Europe, but have an opportunity to make
> up for lost time this year.
>
> I'm planning to do a cycling tour in Italy and France in the Fall. Would
> like to hear suggestions on alternate destinations that are less hot and/or
> crowded in July. British Isles? Germany? Prague?
Go north to the Scandanavian countries if you want to avoid the hot
weather in July.
"Joe" wrote:
> Hello all! I've never traveled to Europe, but have an opportunity to make
> up for lost time this year.
>
> I'm planning to do a cycling tour in Italy and France in the Fall. Would
> like to hear suggestions on alternate destinations that are less hot and/or
> crowded in July. British Isles? Germany? Prague?
Go north to the Scandanavian countries if you want to avoid the hot
weather in July.
Jun 21st 2003, 8:59 am
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> We don't know if the OP prefers hills, but it's probably safe to assume
> that the majority of cyclists do not. They want fun, not sports.
Most cyclists doing an extended tour are probably favorably inclined towards
rides in the moutains. The views are spectacular, and the rewards include
great descents. Riding on the plains can be extremely frustrating if you
happen to hit a straight piece of road with a headwind for 50km!!! Not
something that happens in the mountains.
--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
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> Ralph wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> >
> >>> Yes, but the Netherlands have certain deficiencies in the hilly
> >>> department. They were first to the queue when the plains were handed
> >>> out, though.
> >>
> >> Isn't that what you want for cycling?
> >
> > Me? Being from South Germany, plains don't hold much attraction.
> "You" = "man".
> We don't know if the OP prefers hills, but it's probably safe to assume
> that the majority of cyclists do not. They want fun, not sports.
> Regards
> --
> Salmei Dalmei Adomei
> http://www.wschwanke.de/
> that the majority of cyclists do not. They want fun, not sports.
Most cyclists doing an extended tour are probably favorably inclined towards
rides in the moutains. The views are spectacular, and the rewards include
great descents. Riding on the plains can be extremely frustrating if you
happen to hit a straight piece of road with a headwind for 50km!!! Not
something that happens in the mountains.
--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
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> Ralph wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> >
> >>> Yes, but the Netherlands have certain deficiencies in the hilly
> >>> department. They were first to the queue when the plains were handed
> >>> out, though.
> >>
> >> Isn't that what you want for cycling?
> >
> > Me? Being from South Germany, plains don't hold much attraction.
> "You" = "man".
> We don't know if the OP prefers hills, but it's probably safe to assume
> that the majority of cyclists do not. They want fun, not sports.
> Regards
> --
> Salmei Dalmei Adomei
> http://www.wschwanke.de/
Jun 21st 2003, 9:05 am
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> The comment about Italian and
> French drivers being reckless towards bikers - I agree.
I can't speak for the Italians, but I found French drivers to be very
considerate towards cyclists. I've ridden a fair amount in France the past
three summers, and never had the idea that someone was going to do something
unpredictable. However... what can be a bit disconcerting at first is the
practice of overtaking a cyclist to make a right-hand turn. They do it with
a precision and finesse that at first bothers you... not all that much
clearance... but they clearly know what they're doing and are *much* better
judges of your speed than the typical driver in the US.
--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
"Ralph" wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I agree with most of the OPs. Germany can be quite hot from June-August.
> Not sure about Czech Republic, but Germany partially has a continental
> climate already, and CZ definitely even more so. So I guess temperatures
> are at least equal, maybe hotter in CZ.
> If you want scenery and cooler weather, choose the Alps. You could even do
> a tour of Italy, France, Switzerland, Austria and never leave the Alps.
> Maybe even a side trip to Lago di Como - beautiful, serene (if it wasn't
> for the tourists). In short, the right spot to relax after a few wearing
> days on the bike. If you're a real biker, you can also throw in a
side-trip
> to the Mediterranean coast, e.g. Liguria, which is spectacular. It goes
> without saying that it'll be hot, though. The comment about Italian and
> French drivers being reckless towards bikers - I agree.
> British Isles - well, if you like green, you're right there. ;-) I'd
either
> recommend Wales (Snowdonia region) or Scotland. The latter is quite an
> obvious destination and deserves all the fame it gets -- but Wales can
also
> be quite spectacular and I had a good time there. IMHO, Wales tends a bit
> to get overlooked because of its more famous neighbour up north. Doesn't
> mean it isn't also very touristy, though.
> The suggestion about Scandinavia also sounded reasonable - sorry, never
> been there, though I certainly would like to go one day.
> Wherever you go, have a nice trip!
> Ralph
> French drivers being reckless towards bikers - I agree.
I can't speak for the Italians, but I found French drivers to be very
considerate towards cyclists. I've ridden a fair amount in France the past
three summers, and never had the idea that someone was going to do something
unpredictable. However... what can be a bit disconcerting at first is the
practice of overtaking a cyclist to make a right-hand turn. They do it with
a precision and finesse that at first bothers you... not all that much
clearance... but they clearly know what they're doing and are *much* better
judges of your speed than the typical driver in the US.
--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
"Ralph" wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I agree with most of the OPs. Germany can be quite hot from June-August.
> Not sure about Czech Republic, but Germany partially has a continental
> climate already, and CZ definitely even more so. So I guess temperatures
> are at least equal, maybe hotter in CZ.
> If you want scenery and cooler weather, choose the Alps. You could even do
> a tour of Italy, France, Switzerland, Austria and never leave the Alps.
> Maybe even a side trip to Lago di Como - beautiful, serene (if it wasn't
> for the tourists). In short, the right spot to relax after a few wearing
> days on the bike. If you're a real biker, you can also throw in a
side-trip
> to the Mediterranean coast, e.g. Liguria, which is spectacular. It goes
> without saying that it'll be hot, though. The comment about Italian and
> French drivers being reckless towards bikers - I agree.
> British Isles - well, if you like green, you're right there. ;-) I'd
either
> recommend Wales (Snowdonia region) or Scotland. The latter is quite an
> obvious destination and deserves all the fame it gets -- but Wales can
also
> be quite spectacular and I had a good time there. IMHO, Wales tends a bit
> to get overlooked because of its more famous neighbour up north. Doesn't
> mean it isn't also very touristy, though.
> The suggestion about Scandinavia also sounded reasonable - sorry, never
> been there, though I certainly would like to go one day.
> Wherever you go, have a nice trip!
> Ralph
Jun 21st 2003, 10:38 am
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> Where else can you cycle below sea level?
The English Channel, but I wouldn't recommend it. Unless of course you take
the chunnel.
The English Channel, but I wouldn't recommend it. Unless of course you take
the chunnel.
Jun 21st 2003, 10:56 am
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"Douglas W. Hoyt" wrote in message
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> > Where else can you cycle below sea level?
> The English Channel, but I wouldn't recommend it. Unless of course you
take
> the chunnel.
The Tyne walking tunnel in North-East England which has had (since 1951) a
dedicated cycling lane.
JohnT
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> > Where else can you cycle below sea level?
> The English Channel, but I wouldn't recommend it. Unless of course you
take
> the chunnel.
The Tyne walking tunnel in North-East England which has had (since 1951) a
dedicated cycling lane.
JohnT
Jun 21st 2003, 11:12 am
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"Douglas W. Hoyt" skrev i meddelandet
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> > Where else can you cycle below sea level?
> The English Channel, but I wouldn't recommend it. Unless of course you
take
> the chunnel.
It's unlikely you're allowed in but there's a small midtunnel used for road
vehicles (emergency and maintenance) so theoretically it's possible to bike
from France to England.
Otherwise there are many well-known depressions outside the Netherlands
where you can bike below sealevel,some of them larger than Netherlands
itself.
Dead sea is obvious and the lowest point on earth. Other depressions are
the Quattara in Egypt, a large one in Sinkiang China, large areas around
Caspian sea and the sea itself being at -28meter. Small areas of
Denmark,Germany,Sweden (east Kristianstad) are below sea level.
L.P
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> > Where else can you cycle below sea level?
> The English Channel, but I wouldn't recommend it. Unless of course you
take
> the chunnel.
It's unlikely you're allowed in but there's a small midtunnel used for road
vehicles (emergency and maintenance) so theoretically it's possible to bike
from France to England.
Otherwise there are many well-known depressions outside the Netherlands
where you can bike below sealevel,some of them larger than Netherlands
itself.
Dead sea is obvious and the lowest point on earth. Other depressions are
the Quattara in Egypt, a large one in Sinkiang China, large areas around
Caspian sea and the sea itself being at -28meter. Small areas of
Denmark,Germany,Sweden (east Kristianstad) are below sea level.
L.P
Jun 21st 2003, 2:36 pm
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Barbara Vaughan wrote in message
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> Ralph wrote:
> >
> > >> I wouldn't recommend the Netherlands. Sure, it caters extremely well
> > >> for cyclists, but riding around it is BLOODY BORING!!!
> > >
> > > There are lots of very scenic bike routes in the Netherlands. The
> > > local tourist offices (VVV) can recommend some.
> >
> > Yes, but the Netherlands have certain deficiencies in the hilly
department.
> > They were first to the queue when the plains were handed out, though.
> That doesn't make it boring, though.
As a country it's not boring, but as a cycling destination, it sure is!
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DFM
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> Ralph wrote:
> >
> > >> I wouldn't recommend the Netherlands. Sure, it caters extremely well
> > >> for cyclists, but riding around it is BLOODY BORING!!!
> > >
> > > There are lots of very scenic bike routes in the Netherlands. The
> > > local tourist offices (VVV) can recommend some.
> >
> > Yes, but the Netherlands have certain deficiencies in the hilly
department.
> > They were first to the queue when the plains were handed out, though.
> That doesn't make it boring, though.
As a country it's not boring, but as a cycling destination, it sure is!
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DFM
Jun 21st 2003, 4:19 pm
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Re: Europe in July
In article ,
Owain wrote:
>Where else can you cycle below sea level?
Come to the USA and ride through Death Valley. Make sure to bring plenty
of water.
--
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Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA
Owain wrote:
>Where else can you cycle below sea level?
Come to the USA and ride through Death Valley. Make sure to bring plenty
of water.
--
Jon Bell Presbyterian College
Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA
Jun 22nd 2003, 1:20 am
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> cycling is not safe in this countries, because the cars just dont care on
> the bikers. They kill groups of bikers
> every year and are not hard punished.
> Go in a country where bikers are more safe
> I recommend Denmark or Netherlands
This is complete bullshit.
I can't speak for Italy, but in France drivers go to extreme lengths to give
a wide berth to cyclists. there is a strong culture of touring cycling in
France and drivers are very respectful to the needs to cyclists
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> cycling is not safe in this countries, because the cars just dont care on
> the bikers. They kill groups of bikers
> every year and are not hard punished.
> Go in a country where bikers are more safe
> I recommend Denmark or Netherlands
This is complete bullshit.
I can't speak for Italy, but in France drivers go to extreme lengths to give
a wide berth to cyclists. there is a strong culture of touring cycling in
France and drivers are very respectful to the needs to cyclists
Jun 25th 2003, 8:49 am
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:54:24 +0100, "Owain" wrote:
>Last year I met some German cyclists, from near Munich I think, who despite
>being used to German Alpine roads found Scottish ones rather hard work.
The Munich area is pretty flat. Cycling around here (Aarhus) would be more
work.
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>Last year I met some German cyclists, from near Munich I think, who despite
>being used to German Alpine roads found Scottish ones rather hard work.
The Munich area is pretty flat. Cycling around here (Aarhus) would be more
work.
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Ask me for directions.
Jun 30th 2003, 1:14 pm
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[email protected] (Jesper Lauridsen) wrote in message news:...
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:54:24 +0100, "Owain" wrote:
>
> >Last year I met some German cyclists, from near Munich I think, who despite
> >being used to German Alpine roads found Scottish ones rather hard work.
>
> The Munich area is pretty flat. Cycling around here (Aarhus) would be more
> work.
You may be interested in having a look at this
site......www.travelstops.net. It contains some interesting reviews
of Europe, and indeed the rest of the world.
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:54:24 +0100, "Owain" wrote:
>
> >Last year I met some German cyclists, from near Munich I think, who despite
> >being used to German Alpine roads found Scottish ones rather hard work.
>
> The Munich area is pretty flat. Cycling around here (Aarhus) would be more
> work.
You may be interested in having a look at this
site......www.travelstops.net. It contains some interesting reviews
of Europe, and indeed the rest of the world.
