On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:47:57 -0500, erilar
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article
    ><[email protected]>, "Gerrit
    >'t Hart" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "Paul H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected].. .
    >> > Does anyone know what the equivalent to Travelodge/Travel Inn in the UK,
    >> or
    >> > Climat/Logis in France is in Germany? What I'm after is a cheap clean
    >> room
    >> > that I can book online whilst touring.
    >> >
    >> >
    >>
    >> How about: http://www.bestwestern.com/reservations/eu/de/main.asp
    >>
    >>
    >Best Western isn't cheap.

Except in the USA?
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Martin

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:47:57 -0500, erilar
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>In article
    >><[email protected]>, "Gerrit
    >>'t Hart" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> "Paul H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected].. .
    >>> > Does anyone know what the equivalent to Travelodge/Travel Inn in the
    >>> > UK,
    >>> or
    >>> > Climat/Logis in France is in Germany? What I'm after is a cheap clean
    >>> room
    >>> > that I can book online whilst touring.
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> How about: http://www.bestwestern.com/reservations/eu/de/main.asp
    >>Best Western isn't cheap.
    > Except in the USA?
    > --

Except in the eastern USA.

Marianne

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:34:33 -0700, "Mimi" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:47:57 -0500, erilar
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>In article
    >>><[email protected]>, "Gerrit
    >>>'t Hart" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> "Paul H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected].. .
    >>>> > Does anyone know what the equivalent to Travelodge/Travel Inn in the
    >>>> > UK,
    >>>> or
    >>>> > Climat/Logis in France is in Germany? What I'm after is a cheap clean
    >>>> room
    >>>> > that I can book online whilst touring.
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> How about: http://www.bestwestern.com/reservations/eu/de/main.asp
    >>>Best Western isn't cheap.
    >> Except in the USA?

    >Except in the eastern USA.

We had a very cheap holiday using mainly Best Western in California.
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Martin

"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:03:26 +0100, [email protected]
    >> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    >> offy) wrote:
    >>>Paul H <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> thanks, I have heard of Ibis from the UK and Europe, just forgot about
    >>>> them,
    >>>> but I'll also look at accor
    >>>Just to be clear, accor is the company that owns Ibis, Etap (Novotel,
    >>>Mercure, and many others)
    >> Mercure is some sort of franchise Aerospatiale own at least two.
    >> --
    >> Martin
    > I think also other hotels in the Accor are franchised like many Ibis and
    > possibly also other brands.
    > B.t.w isn't that usual for many hotel chains today ?

How does that work when the premis is in the 'corporate'
style?

I've just returned from a night in one (Lerum) which was
identical in virtually every way (inside and out) to two other
Ibii that I have so far stayed in in Sweden (two others were
completely different).

tim






    >

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:49:55 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> "Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:03:26 +0100, [email protected]
    >>> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    >>> offy) wrote:
    >>>>Paul H <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>> thanks, I have heard of Ibis from the UK and Europe, just forgot about
    >>>>> them,
    >>>>> but I'll also look at accor
    >>>>Just to be clear, accor is the company that owns Ibis, Etap (Novotel,
    >>>>Mercure, and many others)
    >>> Mercure is some sort of franchise Aerospatiale own at least two.
    >>> --
    >>> Martin
    >> I think also other hotels in the Accor are franchised like many Ibis and
    >> possibly also other brands.
    >> B.t.w isn't that usual for many hotel chains today ?
    >How does that work when the premis is in the 'corporate'
    >style?

Part of the franchise is the style.
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"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:49:55 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:


    >>How does that work when the premis is in the 'corporate'
    >>style?
    > Part of the franchise is the style.

In the decor, sure.

But in the construction from a green field?
Does someone build a property having already bought into
the (in this case) Ibis franchise and comit for the life-time of
the building?
I would expect that they build a generic property that could
become part of whichever franchise seems appropriate.

I'm not trying to be akward here. I'm just not convinced
that anyone other than the franchise owner would build a
property this way and hence suggesting that such properties
are 'owned'.

Not sure that this helps in deciding if a particular chain
is owned or not as obviously there could be a mixture.

tim


    > --
    > Martin

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:26:43 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:49:55 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>How does that work when the premis is in the 'corporate'
    >>>style?
    >> Part of the franchise is the style.
    >In the decor, sure.
    >But in the construction from a green field?
    >Does someone build a property having already bought into
    >the (in this case) Ibis franchise and comit for the life-time of
    >the building?
    >I would expect that they build a generic property that could
    >become part of whichever franchise seems appropriate.
    >I'm not trying to be akward here. I'm just not convinced
    >that anyone other than the franchise owner would build a
    >property this way and hence suggesting that such properties
    >are 'owned'.
    >Not sure that this helps in deciding if a particular chain
    >is owned or not as obviously there could be a mixture.

There is a mixture. In one French town there are two Mercure hotels
both owned by Aerospatiale with totally different styles.
--
Martin

In article <[email protected]>, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > I've just returned from a night in one (Lerum) which was
    > identical in virtually every way (inside and out) to two other
    > Ibii that I have so far stayed in in Sweden (two others were
    > completely different).

I've only stayed in them in Germany, but the rooms were interchangeable
8-)

--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)

You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument
is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov

Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

In article <[email protected]>, Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > >Best Western isn't cheap.
    >
    > Except in the USA?

I didn't find the only one I've stayed in over here cheap except in
comparison to Oslo. 8-)

--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)

You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument
is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov

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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:46:45 -0500, erilar
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Martin
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >Best Western isn't cheap.
    >>
    >> Except in the USA?
    >I didn't find the only one I've stayed in over here cheap except in
    >comparison to Oslo. 8-)

In 1992 Best Western was cheap in California.
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Martin

Martin wrote:

    > On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:46:45 -0500, erilar
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>In article <[email protected]>, Martin
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>Best Western isn't cheap.
    >>>Except in the USA?
    >>I didn't find the only one I've stayed in over here cheap except in
    >>comparison to Oslo. 8-)
    >
    >
    > In 1992 Best Western was cheap in California.




I suppose that it all depends on your comparisons. In the US BW is
usually cheap compared to a downtown hotel say Marriott or Sofitel. If
you compare it to a low end motel like Motel 6 it is expensive.