English Language in Paris
Aug 8th 2007, 2:10 pm
#76
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Re: English Language in Paris
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) writes:
> Japanese is harder for English speakers to learn than French- similarly
> it's hard for Japanese speakers to learn English or French.
I'm not convinced of this. Phonologically, French is much more of a stretch
for English or Japanese speakers than Japanese is for English or French
speakers, and phonology is often a sticking point for adult learners.
Japanese is different but not hugely complicated; there are a few issues with
levels of politeness, and of course the written language is a barrier (not so
much as Chinese, though), but we aren't talking about the written language
here.
The Japanese are too frightened to practice spoken English, and the French are
too proud. This prevents both groups from becoming fluent.
> Japanese is harder for English speakers to learn than French- similarly
> it's hard for Japanese speakers to learn English or French.
I'm not convinced of this. Phonologically, French is much more of a stretch
for English or Japanese speakers than Japanese is for English or French
speakers, and phonology is often a sticking point for adult learners.
Japanese is different but not hugely complicated; there are a few issues with
levels of politeness, and of course the written language is a barrier (not so
much as Chinese, though), but we aren't talking about the written language
here.
The Japanese are too frightened to practice spoken English, and the French are
too proud. This prevents both groups from becoming fluent.
Aug 8th 2007, 2:12 pm
#77
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Re: English Language in Paris
The Reid writes:
> they prefer their own language WOW, how the f*** do you know, you say
> you dont travel?
They travel here. Everyone does. And I know a lot of people who work with
them daily.
The Japanese prefer to deal with Japanese, even in Paris. In contrast, the
Chinese like to use their English and immerse themselves a lot more in the
local culture. Americans like to enjoy the local culture, but only up to a
limit--they still tend to like their own foods and personal hygiene and
comfort standards (but that's true for most people).
> they prefer their own language WOW, how the f*** do you know, you say
> you dont travel?
They travel here. Everyone does. And I know a lot of people who work with
them daily.
The Japanese prefer to deal with Japanese, even in Paris. In contrast, the
Chinese like to use their English and immerse themselves a lot more in the
local culture. Americans like to enjoy the local culture, but only up to a
limit--they still tend to like their own foods and personal hygiene and
comfort standards (but that's true for most people).
Aug 8th 2007, 2:14 pm
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Re: English Language in Paris
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) writes:
>
> > Japanese is harder for English speakers to learn than French- similarly
> > it's hard for Japanese speakers to learn English or French.
>
> I'm not convinced of this.
It doesn't matter.
> Phonologically, French is much more of a stretch
> for English or Japanese speakers than Japanese is for English or French
> speakers, and phonology is often a sticking point for adult learners.
> Japanese is different but not hugely complicated; there are a few issues with
> levels of politeness, and of course the written language is a barrier (not so
> much as Chinese, though), but we aren't talking about the written language
> here.
The syntax is completely different to English or French. That's a
sticking point for any learner.
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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) writes:
>
> > Japanese is harder for English speakers to learn than French- similarly
> > it's hard for Japanese speakers to learn English or French.
>
> I'm not convinced of this.
It doesn't matter.
> Phonologically, French is much more of a stretch
> for English or Japanese speakers than Japanese is for English or French
> speakers, and phonology is often a sticking point for adult learners.
> Japanese is different but not hugely complicated; there are a few issues with
> levels of politeness, and of course the written language is a barrier (not so
> much as Chinese, though), but we aren't talking about the written language
> here.
The syntax is completely different to English or French. That's a
sticking point for any learner.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
Aug 8th 2007, 2:15 pm
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Re: English Language in Paris
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> The Reid writes:
>
> > they prefer their own language WOW, how the f*** do you know, you say
> > you dont travel?
>
> They travel here. Everyone does. And I know a lot of people who work with
> them daily.
>
> The Japanese prefer to deal with Japanese, even in Paris. In contrast, the
> Chinese like to use their English and immerse themselves a lot more in the
> local culture. Americans like to enjoy the local culture, but only up to a
> limit--they still tend to like their own foods and personal hygiene and
> comfort standards (but that's true for most people).
Who do you hang around with?
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> The Reid writes:
>
> > they prefer their own language WOW, how the f*** do you know, you say
> > you dont travel?
>
> They travel here. Everyone does. And I know a lot of people who work with
> them daily.
>
> The Japanese prefer to deal with Japanese, even in Paris. In contrast, the
> Chinese like to use their English and immerse themselves a lot more in the
> local culture. Americans like to enjoy the local culture, but only up to a
> limit--they still tend to like their own foods and personal hygiene and
> comfort standards (but that's true for most people).
Who do you hang around with?
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
Aug 8th 2007, 2:16 pm
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Re: English Language in Paris
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) writes:
> The syntax is completely different to English or French. That's a
> sticking point for any learner.
Not necessarily a large sticking point, as it's not difficult to learn in most
cases.
> The syntax is completely different to English or French. That's a
> sticking point for any learner.
Not necessarily a large sticking point, as it's not difficult to learn in most
cases.
Aug 8th 2007, 2:16 pm
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:15:24 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The Reid writes:
>>
>> > they prefer their own language WOW, how the f*** do you know, you say
>> > you dont travel?
>>
>> They travel here. Everyone does. And I know a lot of people who work with
>> them daily.
>>
>> The Japanese prefer to deal with Japanese, even in Paris. In contrast, the
>> Chinese like to use their English and immerse themselves a lot more in the
>> local culture. Americans like to enjoy the local culture, but only up to a
>> limit--they still tend to like their own foods and personal hygiene and
>> comfort standards (but that's true for most people).
>
>Who do you hang around with?
The urine extractors?
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The Reid writes:
>>
>> > they prefer their own language WOW, how the f*** do you know, you say
>> > you dont travel?
>>
>> They travel here. Everyone does. And I know a lot of people who work with
>> them daily.
>>
>> The Japanese prefer to deal with Japanese, even in Paris. In contrast, the
>> Chinese like to use their English and immerse themselves a lot more in the
>> local culture. Americans like to enjoy the local culture, but only up to a
>> limit--they still tend to like their own foods and personal hygiene and
>> comfort standards (but that's true for most people).
>
>Who do you hang around with?
The urine extractors?
--
Martin
Aug 8th 2007, 2:17 pm
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) writes:
> Who do you hang around with?
I have students from a very wide variety of professions, and I learn a great
deal from them. My clients are very diverse, also, except that low-income
brackets are not well represented.
> Who do you hang around with?
I have students from a very wide variety of professions, and I learn a great
deal from them. My clients are very diverse, also, except that low-income
brackets are not well represented.
Aug 8th 2007, 2:18 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> they prefer their own language WOW, how the f*** do you know, you say
>> you dont travel?
>
>They travel here. Everyone does.
no they dont. Only people interested in cities.
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>> they prefer their own language WOW, how the f*** do you know, you say
>> you dont travel?
>
>They travel here. Everyone does.
no they dont. Only people interested in cities.
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Mike
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Aug 8th 2007, 2:19 pm
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Re: English Language in Paris
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) writes:
>
> > Who do you hang around with?
>
> I have students from a very wide variety of professions, and I learn a great
> deal from them. My clients are very diverse, also, except that low-income
> brackets are not well represented.
I meant, like, friends.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) writes:
>
> > Who do you hang around with?
>
> I have students from a very wide variety of professions, and I learn a great
> deal from them. My clients are very diverse, also, except that low-income
> brackets are not well represented.
I meant, like, friends.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
Aug 8th 2007, 2:19 pm
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Re: English Language in Paris
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:12:48 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>The Reid writes:
>
>> they prefer their own language WOW, how the f*** do you know, you say
>> you dont travel?
>
>They travel here. Everyone does.
Rubbish they are all in Venice or queuing for McKrokets in Volendam.
> And I know a lot of people who work with
>them daily.
Small claim to fame?
--
Martin
>The Reid writes:
>
>> they prefer their own language WOW, how the f*** do you know, you say
>> you dont travel?
>
>They travel here. Everyone does.
Rubbish they are all in Venice or queuing for McKrokets in Volendam.
> And I know a lot of people who work with
>them daily.
Small claim to fame?
--
Martin
Aug 8th 2007, 2:20 pm
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Re: English Language in Paris
The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> they prefer their own language WOW, how the f*** do you know, you say
> >> you dont travel?
> >
> >They travel here. Everyone does.
>
> no they dont. Only people interested in cities.
That's a lot of people in the case of Paris. Most people visiting Europe
go to cities, or spend a lot of time in them.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> Following up to Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> they prefer their own language WOW, how the f*** do you know, you say
> >> you dont travel?
> >
> >They travel here. Everyone does.
>
> no they dont. Only people interested in cities.
That's a lot of people in the case of Paris. Most people visiting Europe
go to cities, or spend a lot of time in them.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
Aug 8th 2007, 2:27 pm
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Re: English Language in Paris
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:17:52 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) writes:
>
>> Who do you hang around with?
>
>I have students from a very wide variety of professions, and I learn a great
>deal from them. My clients are very diverse, also, except that low-income
>brackets are not well represented.
That's why they need you.
--
Martin
>David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) writes:
>
>> Who do you hang around with?
>
>I have students from a very wide variety of professions, and I learn a great
>deal from them. My clients are very diverse, also, except that low-income
>brackets are not well represented.
That's why they need you.
--
Martin
Aug 8th 2007, 2:28 pm
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Re: English Language in Paris
Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
>> >They travel here. Everyone does.
>>
>> no they dont. Only people interested in cities.
>
>That's a lot of people in the case of Paris.
but not everyone
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(*)) wrote:
>> >They travel here. Everyone does.
>>
>> no they dont. Only people interested in cities.
>
>That's a lot of people in the case of Paris.
but not everyone
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Mike
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Aug 8th 2007, 2:41 pm
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Re: English Language in Paris
The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
> >> >They travel here. Everyone does.
> >>
> >> no they dont. Only people interested in cities.
> >
> >That's a lot of people in the case of Paris.
>
> but not everyone
Most people.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
> >> >They travel here. Everyone does.
> >>
> >> no they dont. Only people interested in cities.
> >
> >That's a lot of people in the case of Paris.
>
> but not everyone
Most people.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
Aug 8th 2007, 2:43 pm
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Re: English Language in Paris
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:41:45 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> >They travel here. Everyone does.
>> >>
>> >> no they dont. Only people interested in cities.
>> >
>> >That's a lot of people in the case of Paris.
>>
>> but not everyone
>
>Most people.
Mixi contributed nothing to the above? Amazing!
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Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> >They travel here. Everyone does.
>> >>
>> >> no they dont. Only people interested in cities.
>> >
>> >That's a lot of people in the case of Paris.
>>
>> but not everyone
>
>Most people.
Mixi contributed nothing to the above? Amazing!
--
Martin