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Apr 21st 2004 | 7:02 pm
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Re: England
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:57:22 +0100, nightjar wrote:
> "Tim Challenger" <"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at"> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:29:59 GMT, Bob Fusillo wrote:
>>> When I was a lad, there was no speed limit on the open roads. Jaguars
>>> regularly did 130 on the Motorways. Many people, I suppose, are still
> living
>>> in the past -- pehaps it is now built in to the British psyche.
>>> rjf
>> The motorway speed limit was introduced during the oil crisis wasn't it?
>
> There was a series of major multiple accidents on the M1 (which, running
> from a couple of junctions south of the M10 to a junction or two north of
> the M45, was most of the motorway network at the time) in the early 1960s.
> The Road Research Laboratory carried out an investigation into the effect of
> speed limits and published its report in 1963. That report came down in
> favour of speed limtis as a way of reducing the number of vehicles that
> grossly exceed the set limit and also of reducing the relative speed of
> traffic on the same road. The latter had been identified as a significant
> cause of the accidents, although the fact that they happened in thick fog
> was probably also relevant. The national speed limit, of 70mph for all
> roads, was introduced on motorways in the summer of 1965 and on all other
> roads shortly before Christmas 1965, timed to coincide with the don't drink
> and drive campaign.
>
>> Officially to cut fuel consumption but never revoked (of course).
>
> There was a reduction in the national limit during the fuel crisis, to try
> to keep vehicles at or below 50mph, which had been identified as the maximum
> efficient speed for most vehicles. After the fuel crisis, the current
> two-tier system of 70mph on motorways and dual carriageways and 60mph on
> single carriageways was introduced.
>
> Colin Bignell
So that's how it was. I was only about 7 at the time so my memory is a bit
vague.
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> "Tim Challenger" <"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at"> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:29:59 GMT, Bob Fusillo wrote:
>>> When I was a lad, there was no speed limit on the open roads. Jaguars
>>> regularly did 130 on the Motorways. Many people, I suppose, are still
> living
>>> in the past -- pehaps it is now built in to the British psyche.
>>> rjf
>> The motorway speed limit was introduced during the oil crisis wasn't it?
>
> There was a series of major multiple accidents on the M1 (which, running
> from a couple of junctions south of the M10 to a junction or two north of
> the M45, was most of the motorway network at the time) in the early 1960s.
> The Road Research Laboratory carried out an investigation into the effect of
> speed limits and published its report in 1963. That report came down in
> favour of speed limtis as a way of reducing the number of vehicles that
> grossly exceed the set limit and also of reducing the relative speed of
> traffic on the same road. The latter had been identified as a significant
> cause of the accidents, although the fact that they happened in thick fog
> was probably also relevant. The national speed limit, of 70mph for all
> roads, was introduced on motorways in the summer of 1965 and on all other
> roads shortly before Christmas 1965, timed to coincide with the don't drink
> and drive campaign.
>
>> Officially to cut fuel consumption but never revoked (of course).
>
> There was a reduction in the national limit during the fuel crisis, to try
> to keep vehicles at or below 50mph, which had been identified as the maximum
> efficient speed for most vehicles. After the fuel crisis, the current
> two-tier system of 70mph on motorways and dual carriageways and 60mph on
> single carriageways was introduced.
>
> Colin Bignell
So that's how it was. I was only about 7 at the time so my memory is a bit
vague.
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Tim C.
Apr 21st 2004 | 7:03 pm
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:53:50 +0100, The Reids wrote:
> Following up to "nightjar"
> <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com>
>
>>The latter had been identified as a significant
>>cause of the accidents, although the fact that they happened in thick fog
>>was probably also relevant.
>
> more so than the maximum speed IMHO, "inappropriate speed", ie
> people so b stupid they carry on at 70 or whatever in fog or
> heavy spray! :-(
Witness the accidents on Italy's motorways in the Spring and Autumn.
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> Following up to "nightjar"
> <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com>
>
>>The latter had been identified as a significant
>>cause of the accidents, although the fact that they happened in thick fog
>>was probably also relevant.
>
> more so than the maximum speed IMHO, "inappropriate speed", ie
> people so b stupid they carry on at 70 or whatever in fog or
> heavy spray! :-(
Witness the accidents on Italy's motorways in the Spring and Autumn.
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Tim C.
Apr 21st 2004 | 7:07 pm
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Re: England
On 21 Apr 2004 15:20:52 -0700, Yaofeng wrote:
> No wonder foreigners like myself didn't see any signs of posted speed limit.
In fact nobody can see any signs. ;-)
In most countries in Europe on rural roads you won't see speed limit signs
- you'll just get the white with black diagonal "national speed limit" sign
(known to bikers as the GLF-sign). They post the various limits on big
signs at border crossings
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Tim C.
> No wonder foreigners like myself didn't see any signs of posted speed limit.
In fact nobody can see any signs. ;-)
In most countries in Europe on rural roads you won't see speed limit signs
- you'll just get the white with black diagonal "national speed limit" sign
(known to bikers as the GLF-sign). They post the various limits on big
signs at border crossings
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Tim C.
Apr 21st 2004 | 7:11 pm
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:19:39 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote:
>> Garage > in the US it is pronounced gaRage,
>
> Though often people say garage when they mean gas station
...and when they mean petrol station. ;-)
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>> Garage > in the US it is pronounced gaRage,
>
> Though often people say garage when they mean gas station
...and when they mean petrol station. ;-)
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Apr 21st 2004 | 7:44 pm
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Re: England
"Tim Challenger" <"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at"> wrote in message
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> On 21 Apr 2004 15:20:52 -0700, Yaofeng wrote:
> > No wonder foreigners like myself didn't see any signs of posted speed
limit.
> In fact nobody can see any signs. ;-)
> In most countries in Europe on rural roads you won't see speed limit signs
> - you'll just get the white with black diagonal "national speed limit"
sign
> (known to bikers as the GLF-sign). They post the various limits on big
> signs at border crossings
The reason being of course that the maximum speed limit depends not only on
the road, but the type of vehicle you are driving.
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> On 21 Apr 2004 15:20:52 -0700, Yaofeng wrote:
> > No wonder foreigners like myself didn't see any signs of posted speed
limit.
> In fact nobody can see any signs. ;-)
> In most countries in Europe on rural roads you won't see speed limit signs
> - you'll just get the white with black diagonal "national speed limit"
sign
> (known to bikers as the GLF-sign). They post the various limits on big
> signs at border crossings
The reason being of course that the maximum speed limit depends not only on
the road, but the type of vehicle you are driving.
Apr 21st 2004 | 7:47 pm
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"Tim Challenger" <"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at"> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:19:39 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote:
> >> Garage > in the US it is pronounced gaRage,
> >
> > Though often people say garage when they mean gas station
> ...and when they mean petrol station. ;-)
Even when they go there to get Diesel ;-)
The predominance of two types, Petrol and Diesel in the UK means you more
often you hear terms like "stopping to get some fuel" rather than referring
directly to the fuel type.
(There is also LPG)
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> On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:19:39 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote:
> >> Garage > in the US it is pronounced gaRage,
> >
> > Though often people say garage when they mean gas station
> ...and when they mean petrol station. ;-)
Even when they go there to get Diesel ;-)
The predominance of two types, Petrol and Diesel in the UK means you more
often you hear terms like "stopping to get some fuel" rather than referring
directly to the fuel type.
(There is also LPG)
Apr 21st 2004 | 8:05 pm
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Re: England
> A few British terms take getting used to...
> double carriageways > I guess the equivalent in the US is divided highway,
Dual Carriageway
> Garage > in the US it is pronounced gaRage,
Often used to describe a service station or car repair place
> take away > take out
> loo > rest room
Depending on what company you keep, often call 'crapper' 'shitter' or 'bog'
> double carriageways > I guess the equivalent in the US is divided highway,
Dual Carriageway
> Garage > in the US it is pronounced gaRage,
Often used to describe a service station or car repair place
> take away > take out
> loo > rest room
Depending on what company you keep, often call 'crapper' 'shitter' or 'bog'
Apr 21st 2004 | 8:25 pm
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"freeda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > A few British terms take getting used to...
> >
> > double carriageways > I guess the equivalent in the US is divided
highway,
> Dual Carriageway
> > Garage > in the US it is pronounced gaRage,
> Often used to describe a service station or car repair place
> > take away > take out
> > loo > rest room
> Depending on what company you keep, often call 'crapper' 'shitter' or
'bog'
That was one good thing when I was in America. It felt much more polite to
ask where the 'rest rooms' were than go 'where's the loo?'
news:[email protected]...
> > A few British terms take getting used to...
> >
> > double carriageways > I guess the equivalent in the US is divided
highway,
> Dual Carriageway
> > Garage > in the US it is pronounced gaRage,
> Often used to describe a service station or car repair place
> > take away > take out
> > loo > rest room
> Depending on what company you keep, often call 'crapper' 'shitter' or
'bog'
That was one good thing when I was in America. It felt much more polite to
ask where the 'rest rooms' were than go 'where's the loo?'
Apr 21st 2004 | 8:40 pm
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Re: England
> > > A few British terms take getting used to...
> > >
> > > double carriageways > I guess the equivalent in the US is divided
> highway,
> >
> > Dual Carriageway
> >
> > > Garage > in the US it is pronounced gaRage,
> >
> > Often used to describe a service station or car repair place
> >
> > > take away > take out
> > > loo > rest room
> >
> > Depending on what company you keep, often call 'crapper' 'shitter' or
> 'bog'
> That was one good thing when I was in America. It felt much more polite to
> ask where the 'rest rooms' were than go 'where's the loo?'
But then again, don't you cringe when somebosy asks 'where is the little
boys room'.
I say call a spade a spade. I think that both the UK and US are too hung up
on what is really just a normal bodily function which everyone does. I
usually just ask 'where is the toilet'. It would be interesting to hear what
other desriptions other Countries/Cultures use to descibe the toilet.
> > >
> > > double carriageways > I guess the equivalent in the US is divided
> highway,
> >
> > Dual Carriageway
> >
> > > Garage > in the US it is pronounced gaRage,
> >
> > Often used to describe a service station or car repair place
> >
> > > take away > take out
> > > loo > rest room
> >
> > Depending on what company you keep, often call 'crapper' 'shitter' or
> 'bog'
> That was one good thing when I was in America. It felt much more polite to
> ask where the 'rest rooms' were than go 'where's the loo?'
But then again, don't you cringe when somebosy asks 'where is the little
boys room'.
I say call a spade a spade. I think that both the UK and US are too hung up
on what is really just a normal bodily function which everyone does. I
usually just ask 'where is the toilet'. It would be interesting to hear what
other desriptions other Countries/Cultures use to descibe the toilet.
Apr 21st 2004 | 8:41 pm
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"freeda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > loo > rest room
> Depending on what company you keep, often call 'crapper' 'shitter' or
'bog'
'khazi', 'cot', 'wc', 'gents' (or 'ladies'), 'mens', 'boys room',
'shit-house', 'bog-house', 'piss-house', 'crap-house', 'to spend a penny'
and, of course, 'toilet'.
There must be many more....
Tony
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> > loo > rest room
> Depending on what company you keep, often call 'crapper' 'shitter' or
'bog'
'khazi', 'cot', 'wc', 'gents' (or 'ladies'), 'mens', 'boys room',
'shit-house', 'bog-house', 'piss-house', 'crap-house', 'to spend a penny'
and, of course, 'toilet'.
There must be many more....
Tony
Apr 21st 2004 | 8:50 pm
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Following up to Yaofeng
>Yet I saw a few buildings with thatched roofs, the most famous of
>course is the round house in London. But there are a few others.
If you go down to, for instance, the west country you can find
villages with a fairly high % of thatched buildings.
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>Yet I saw a few buildings with thatched roofs, the most famous of
>course is the round house in London. But there are a few others.
If you go down to, for instance, the west country you can find
villages with a fairly high % of thatched buildings.
--
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Apr 21st 2004 | 8:50 pm
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Following up to Yaofeng
>The 1.4 litre Astra is a nice
>little car. If only they make the engine bigger.
It wouldn't be a 1.4 Astra then :-)
Hire cars usually have the smaller engines of the range. If you
get a 2 litre diesel you will have enough power.
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>The 1.4 litre Astra is a nice
>little car. If only they make the engine bigger.
It wouldn't be a 1.4 Astra then :-)
Hire cars usually have the smaller engines of the range. If you
get a 2 litre diesel you will have enough power.
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Mike Reid
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Apr 21st 2004 | 8:50 pm
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Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>The French made that system work for years -- giving way to traffic
>coming on to the roundabout. It takes a bit of thinking to get your
>head around it, but it works.
until traffic gets heavy?
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>The French made that system work for years -- giving way to traffic
>coming on to the roundabout. It takes a bit of thinking to get your
>head around it, but it works.
until traffic gets heavy?
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Apr 21st 2004 | 8:50 pm
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Following up to Yaofeng
>double carriageways > I guess the equivalent in the US is divided highway,
dual carriageway!
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>double carriageways > I guess the equivalent in the US is divided highway,
dual carriageway!
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Apr 21st 2004 | 8:50 pm
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Following up to Keith Willshaw
>> Garage > in the US it is pronounced gaRage,
>Though often people say garage when they mean gas station
no, they mean petrol station :-)
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Mike Reid
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>> Garage > in the US it is pronounced gaRage,
>Though often people say garage when they mean gas station
no, they mean petrol station :-)
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
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