Egyptian newspaper mocks racial and gender equality in the west
Feb 22nd 2007 | 12:08 am
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Egyptian newspaper mocks racial and gender equality in the west
Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
West.
The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
"'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
cartoon in Denmark.
insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
West.
The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
"'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
cartoon in Denmark.
Feb 22nd 2007 | 12:19 am
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Re: Egyptian newspaper mocks racial and gender equality in the west
PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
> insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
> Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
> West.
>
> The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
> "'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
> Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
> another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
> Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
> speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
> cartoon in Denmark.
>
Having seen the cartoon in question, I think it is lampooning the
bigotry of Islamic Fundies. But I might be wrong.
> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
> insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
> Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
> West.
>
> The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
> "'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
> Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
> another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
> Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
> speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
> cartoon in Denmark.
>
Having seen the cartoon in question, I think it is lampooning the
bigotry of Islamic Fundies. But I might be wrong.
Feb 22nd 2007 | 12:37 am
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Re: Egyptian newspaper mocks racial and gender equality in the west
On Feb 22, 2:08 pm, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
> insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
> Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
> West.
>
> The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
> "'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
> Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
> another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
> Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
> speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
> cartoon in Denmark.
....so the US will stop selling arms to Egypt then....
> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
> insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
> Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
> West.
>
> The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
> "'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
> Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
> another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
> Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
> speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
> cartoon in Denmark.
....so the US will stop selling arms to Egypt then....
Feb 22nd 2007 | 12:53 am
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On Feb 22, 8:08 am, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
> insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
> Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
> West.
>
> The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
> "'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
> Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
> another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
> Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
> speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
> cartoon in Denmark.
It wasn't the Danish cartoons that got all the coverage here. It was
the Muslim reaction that got it. All people need to get their skins
thickened with regard to their over-sensitivities. In that regard,
Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are absolutely right. Religion,
culture, class position, political affiliation are all open to debate
and criticism.
Agki
> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
> insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
> Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
> West.
>
> The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
> "'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
> Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
> another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
> Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
> speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
> cartoon in Denmark.
It wasn't the Danish cartoons that got all the coverage here. It was
the Muslim reaction that got it. All people need to get their skins
thickened with regard to their over-sensitivities. In that regard,
Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are absolutely right. Religion,
culture, class position, political affiliation are all open to debate
and criticism.
Agki
Feb 22nd 2007 | 2:18 am
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Re: Egyptian newspaper mocks racial and gender equality in the west
On 22 Feb 2007 05:53:47 -0800, "Agki" <[email protected]>
typed:
>It wasn't the Danish cartoons that got all the coverage here. It was
>the Muslim reaction that got it. All people need to get their skins
>thickened with regard to their over-sensitivities. In that regard,
>Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are absolutely right. Religion,
>culture, class position, political affiliation are all open to debate
>and criticism.
define 'debate'
(does it include sticks and stones? why not?)
'you're a raving nut case'...is that 'debate'?
regards...
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typed:
>It wasn't the Danish cartoons that got all the coverage here. It was
>the Muslim reaction that got it. All people need to get their skins
>thickened with regard to their over-sensitivities. In that regard,
>Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are absolutely right. Religion,
>culture, class position, political affiliation are all open to debate
>and criticism.
define 'debate'
(does it include sticks and stones? why not?)
'you're a raving nut case'...is that 'debate'?
regards...
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics
energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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Feb 22nd 2007 | 2:29 am
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Re: Egyptian newspaper mocks racial and gender equality in the west
PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
>insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
>Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
>West.
>
>The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
>"'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
>Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
>another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
>Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
>speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
>cartoon in Denmark.
>
>
>
The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here. Has
anyone told you that your propaganda service sucks. I can find any
number of Mumbai-based services that would do the job more effectively
than you for one fifth of the price.
So we have to go and look for the alleged cartoon ourselves.
Nowhere to be found so you're probably making it up. Trust the religious
far-right to find an oblique way to remind us and a "woman" and a
"negro" whilst attributing the 'racist' comment to someone else. Was the
'cartoon' an Ad? Cartoon-in-Khartoum? Hahahaha.
Anyway, al-Ahram has the gall to point out what an incompetent idiot
Bush is with this article about "Mission Accomplished".
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/828/fr1.htm
Jesus H Christ, bloody wogs are getting white.
> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
>insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
>Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
>West.
>
>The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
>"'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
>Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
>another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
>Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
>speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
>cartoon in Denmark.
>
>
>
The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here. Has
anyone told you that your propaganda service sucks. I can find any
number of Mumbai-based services that would do the job more effectively
than you for one fifth of the price.
So we have to go and look for the alleged cartoon ourselves.
Nowhere to be found so you're probably making it up. Trust the religious
far-right to find an oblique way to remind us and a "woman" and a
"negro" whilst attributing the 'racist' comment to someone else. Was the
'cartoon' an Ad? Cartoon-in-Khartoum? Hahahaha.
Anyway, al-Ahram has the gall to point out what an incompetent idiot
Bush is with this article about "Mission Accomplished".
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/828/fr1.htm
Jesus H Christ, bloody wogs are getting white.
Feb 22nd 2007 | 2:50 am
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<The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here
BJ Foster>
Search and ye shall find:
Google Blog Search Results 1-10 of about 24 for
'A-Woman-and-a-Negro-are-Participating-in-the-campaign' (0.05
seconds)
On Feb 22, 7:29 am, B J Foster <[email protected]> wrote:
> PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> > Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
> >insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
> >Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
> >West.
>
> >The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
> >"'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
> >Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
> >another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
> >Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
> >speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
> >cartoon in Denmark.
>
> The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here. Has
> anyone told you that your propaganda service sucks. I can find any
> number of Mumbai-based services that would do the job more effectively
> than you for one fifth of the price.
>
> So we have to go and look for the alleged cartoon ourselves.
>
> Nowhere to be found so you're probably making it up. Trust the religious
> far-right to find an oblique way to remind us and a "woman" and a
> "negro" whilst attributing the 'racist' comment to someone else. Was the
> 'cartoon' an Ad? Cartoon-in-Khartoum? Hahahaha.
>
> Anyway, al-Ahram has the gall to point out what an incompetent idiot
> Bush is with this article about "Mission Accomplished".
> http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/828/fr1.htm
> Jesus H Christ, bloody wogs are getting white.
BJ Foster>
Search and ye shall find:
Google Blog Search Results 1-10 of about 24 for
'A-Woman-and-a-Negro-are-Participating-in-the-campaign' (0.05
seconds)
On Feb 22, 7:29 am, B J Foster <[email protected]> wrote:
> PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> > Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
> >insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
> >Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
> >West.
>
> >The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
> >"'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
> >Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
> >another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
> >Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
> >speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
> >cartoon in Denmark.
>
> The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here. Has
> anyone told you that your propaganda service sucks. I can find any
> number of Mumbai-based services that would do the job more effectively
> than you for one fifth of the price.
>
> So we have to go and look for the alleged cartoon ourselves.
>
> Nowhere to be found so you're probably making it up. Trust the religious
> far-right to find an oblique way to remind us and a "woman" and a
> "negro" whilst attributing the 'racist' comment to someone else. Was the
> 'cartoon' an Ad? Cartoon-in-Khartoum? Hahahaha.
>
> Anyway, al-Ahram has the gall to point out what an incompetent idiot
> Bush is with this article about "Mission Accomplished".
> http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/828/fr1.htm
> Jesus H Christ, bloody wogs are getting white.
Feb 22nd 2007 | 3:25 am
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Re: Egyptian newspaper mocks racial and gender equality in the west
PJ O'Donovan wrote:
><The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here
>
>BJ Foster>
>
>
>Search and ye shall find:
>
>Google Blog Search Results 1-10 of about 24 for
>'A-Woman-and-a-Negro-are-Participating-in-the-campaign' (0.05
>seconds)
>
>
Yeah. They all point to MEMRI, which is a propaganda site run out of Tel
Aviv.
What is propaganda coming to these days? Maybe the CIA read about
Saddam's WMD in MEMRI. ROTFL.
You people are about as thick as it gets. I can key some shit into a
MEMRI blog and next thing it gets reported all over the usual right-wing
religious fruitcake sites. Before long the CIA picks it up and it lands
on Bush's desk as "intelligence". Next thing, Egypt will 'need
democracy' and my shares in Raytheon will jump again. All good - I can
control the world from a blog!
Stupid white men believing your own propaganda. Thank goodness for the
Egyptians they don't have any oil.
Please show the original cartoon on Al-Ahram. Key this into Google:
"site:ahram.org.eg"
It's simply not there 'cos Memri invented it.
>
>
>
>On Feb 22, 7:29 am, B J Foster <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
>>>insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
>>>Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
>>>West.
>>>
>>>
>>>The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
>>>"'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
>>>Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
>>>another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>>>
>>>
>>>Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
>>>speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
>>>cartoon in Denmark.
>>>
>>>
>>The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here. Has
>>anyone told you that your propaganda service sucks. I can find any
>>number of Mumbai-based services that would do the job more effectively
>>than you for one fifth of the price.
>>
>>So we have to go and look for the alleged cartoon ourselves.
>>
>>Nowhere to be found so you're probably making it up. Trust the religious
>>far-right to find an oblique way to remind us and a "woman" and a
>>"negro" whilst attributing the 'racist' comment to someone else. Was the
>>'cartoon' an Ad? Cartoon-in-Khartoum? Hahahaha.
>>
>>Anyway, al-Ahram has the gall to point out what an incompetent idiot
>>Bush is with this article about "Mission Accomplished".
>> http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/828/fr1.htm
>>Jesus H Christ, bloody wogs are getting white.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
><The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here
>
>BJ Foster>
>
>
>Search and ye shall find:
>
>Google Blog Search Results 1-10 of about 24 for
>'A-Woman-and-a-Negro-are-Participating-in-the-campaign' (0.05
>seconds)
>
>
Yeah. They all point to MEMRI, which is a propaganda site run out of Tel
Aviv.
What is propaganda coming to these days? Maybe the CIA read about
Saddam's WMD in MEMRI. ROTFL.
You people are about as thick as it gets. I can key some shit into a
MEMRI blog and next thing it gets reported all over the usual right-wing
religious fruitcake sites. Before long the CIA picks it up and it lands
on Bush's desk as "intelligence". Next thing, Egypt will 'need
democracy' and my shares in Raytheon will jump again. All good - I can
control the world from a blog!
Stupid white men believing your own propaganda. Thank goodness for the
Egyptians they don't have any oil.
Please show the original cartoon on Al-Ahram. Key this into Google:
"site:ahram.org.eg"
It's simply not there 'cos Memri invented it.
>
>
>
>On Feb 22, 7:29 am, B J Foster <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
>>>insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
>>>Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
>>>West.
>>>
>>>
>>>The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
>>>"'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
>>>Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
>>>another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>>>
>>>
>>>Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
>>>speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
>>>cartoon in Denmark.
>>>
>>>
>>The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here. Has
>>anyone told you that your propaganda service sucks. I can find any
>>number of Mumbai-based services that would do the job more effectively
>>than you for one fifth of the price.
>>
>>So we have to go and look for the alleged cartoon ourselves.
>>
>>Nowhere to be found so you're probably making it up. Trust the religious
>>far-right to find an oblique way to remind us and a "woman" and a
>>"negro" whilst attributing the 'racist' comment to someone else. Was the
>>'cartoon' an Ad? Cartoon-in-Khartoum? Hahahaha.
>>
>>Anyway, al-Ahram has the gall to point out what an incompetent idiot
>>Bush is with this article about "Mission Accomplished".
>> http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/828/fr1.htm
>>Jesus H Christ, bloody wogs are getting white.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Feb 22nd 2007 | 3:52 am
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"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
>insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
>Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
>West.
It's a cartoon and you seem to have interpreted it as an editorial.
The way the Imam is drawn contrasts with the friendly look of the
candidates so perhaps you feel that the Egyptians should ban the
cartoon because it is disrespectful of their religious leaders. To
save others a search here is a reproduction of the cartoon
<http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/682.htm>.
> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
>insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
>Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
>West.
It's a cartoon and you seem to have interpreted it as an editorial.
The way the Imam is drawn contrasts with the friendly look of the
candidates so perhaps you feel that the Egyptians should ban the
cartoon because it is disrespectful of their religious leaders. To
save others a search here is a reproduction of the cartoon
<http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/682.htm>.
Feb 22nd 2007 | 5:16 am
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On Feb 22, 10:18 am, abelard <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 22 Feb 2007 05:53:47 -0800, "Agki" <[email protected]>
>
> typed:
>
> >It wasn't the Danish cartoons that got all the coverage here. It was
> >the Muslim reaction that got it. All people need to get their skins
> >thickened with regard to their over-sensitivities. In that regard,
> >Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are absolutely right. Religion,
> >culture, class position, political affiliation are all open to debate
> >and criticism.
>
> define 'debate'
> (does it include sticks and stones? why not?)
>
> 'you're a raving nut case'...is that 'debate'?
>
Who said that it does? Who's calling whom a nut case? Neither Harris
nor Dawkins have done so.
Agki
> On 22 Feb 2007 05:53:47 -0800, "Agki" <[email protected]>
>
> typed:
>
> >It wasn't the Danish cartoons that got all the coverage here. It was
> >the Muslim reaction that got it. All people need to get their skins
> >thickened with regard to their over-sensitivities. In that regard,
> >Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are absolutely right. Religion,
> >culture, class position, political affiliation are all open to debate
> >and criticism.
>
> define 'debate'
> (does it include sticks and stones? why not?)
>
> 'you're a raving nut case'...is that 'debate'?
>
Who said that it does? Who's calling whom a nut case? Neither Harris
nor Dawkins have done so.
Agki
Feb 22nd 2007 | 5:16 am
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> "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
>>insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
>>Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
>>West.
> It's a cartoon and you seem to have interpreted it as an editorial.
> The way the Imam is drawn contrasts with the friendly look of the
> candidates so perhaps you feel that the Egyptians should ban the
> cartoon because it is disrespectful of their religious leaders. To
> save others a search here is a reproduction of the cartoon
> <http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/682.htm>.
See also:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html
This is just another example of why source citations are to "PJ" as
crucifixes are to vampires.
[email protected]...
> "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
>>insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
>>Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
>>West.
> It's a cartoon and you seem to have interpreted it as an editorial.
> The way the Imam is drawn contrasts with the friendly look of the
> candidates so perhaps you feel that the Egyptians should ban the
> cartoon because it is disrespectful of their religious leaders. To
> save others a search here is a reproduction of the cartoon
> <http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/682.htm>.
See also:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html
This is just another example of why source citations are to "PJ" as
crucifixes are to vampires.
Feb 22nd 2007 | 5:20 am
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:08:10 +0000, PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
> insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
> Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
> West.
>
> The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
> "'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
> Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
> another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
> Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
> speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
> cartoon in Denmark.
So what's your point? Is it: "Middle eastern people are all bigotted!
Therfore we should be bigotted against them!" ?
Sometimes I marvel that simpletons like you remember to breath.
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> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
> insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
> Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
> West.
>
> The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
> "'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
> Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
> another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
> Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
> speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
> cartoon in Denmark.
So what's your point? Is it: "Middle eastern people are all bigotted!
Therfore we should be bigotted against them!" ?
Sometimes I marvel that simpletons like you remember to breath.
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Feb 22nd 2007 | 5:58 am
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On 22 Feb 2007 10:16:41 -0800, "Agki" <[email protected]>
typed:
>On Feb 22, 10:18 am, abelard <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 22 Feb 2007 05:53:47 -0800, "Agki" <[email protected]>
>>
>> typed:
>>
>> >It wasn't the Danish cartoons that got all the coverage here. It was
>> >the Muslim reaction that got it. All people need to get their skins
>> >thickened with regard to their over-sensitivities. In that regard,
>> >Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are absolutely right. Religion,
>> >culture, class position, political affiliation are all open to debate
>> >and criticism.
>>
>> define 'debate'
>> (does it include sticks and stones? why not?)
>>
>> 'you're a raving nut case'...is that 'debate'?
>Who said that it does?
i was asking you questions in order to test your positions
you haven't answered those questions...
>Who's calling whom a nut case? Neither Harris
>nor Dawkins have done so.
come come...dorkins is a rabid atheist constantly making aggressive
comments regarding deists....
now perhaps you could have a go at answering the questions
regards...
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typed:
>On Feb 22, 10:18 am, abelard <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 22 Feb 2007 05:53:47 -0800, "Agki" <[email protected]>
>>
>> typed:
>>
>> >It wasn't the Danish cartoons that got all the coverage here. It was
>> >the Muslim reaction that got it. All people need to get their skins
>> >thickened with regard to their over-sensitivities. In that regard,
>> >Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are absolutely right. Religion,
>> >culture, class position, political affiliation are all open to debate
>> >and criticism.
>>
>> define 'debate'
>> (does it include sticks and stones? why not?)
>>
>> 'you're a raving nut case'...is that 'debate'?
>Who said that it does?
i was asking you questions in order to test your positions
you haven't answered those questions...
>Who's calling whom a nut case? Neither Harris
>nor Dawkins have done so.
come come...dorkins is a rabid atheist constantly making aggressive
comments regarding deists....
now perhaps you could have a go at answering the questions
regards...
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics
energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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Feb 22nd 2007 | 6:02 am
#14
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Posts: n/a
Re: Egyptian newspaper mocks racial and gender equality in the west
On Feb 22, 10:25 am, B J Foster <[email protected]> wrote:
> PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> ><The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here
>
> >BJ Foster>
>
> >Search and ye shall find:
>
> >Google Blog Search Results 1-10 of about 24 for
> >'A-Woman-and-a-Negro-are-Participating-in-the-campaign' (0.05
> >seconds)
>
> Yeah. They all point to MEMRI, which is a propaganda site run out of Tel
> Aviv.
>
> What is propaganda coming to these days? Maybe the CIA read about
> Saddam's WMD in MEMRI. ROTFL.
>
> You people are about as thick as it gets. I can key some shit into a
> MEMRI blog and next thing it gets reported all over the usual right-wing
> religious fruitcake sites. Before long the CIA picks it up and it lands
> on Bush's desk as "intelligence". Next thing, Egypt will 'need
> democracy' and my shares in Raytheon will jump again. All good - I can
> control the world from a blog!
>
> Stupid white men believing your own propaganda. Thank goodness for the
> Egyptians they don't have any oil.
>
> Please show the original cartoon on Al-Ahram. Key this into Google:
> "site:ahram.org.eg"
>
> It's simply not there 'cos Memri invented it.
It's possible. But Memri has the image of the actual cartoon on their
site. So you are saying they either created it themselves, received
it from a third party in full knowledge it was a fraud, or were duped
by a third party and believe it to be authentic.
It's difficult to prove a fraud...
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Feb 22, 7:29 am, B J Foster <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>
> >>>Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
> >>>insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
> >>>Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
> >>>West.
>
> >>>The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
> >>>"'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
> >>>Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
> >>>another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
> >>>Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
> >>>speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
> >>>cartoon in Denmark.
>
> >>The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here. Has
> >>anyone told you that your propaganda service sucks. I can find any
> >>number of Mumbai-based services that would do the job more effectively
> >>than you for one fifth of the price.
>
> >>So we have to go and look for the alleged cartoon ourselves.
>
> >>Nowhere to be found so you're probably making it up. Trust the religious
> >>far-right to find an oblique way to remind us and a "woman" and a
> >>"negro" whilst attributing the 'racist' comment to someone else. Was the
> >>'cartoon' an Ad? Cartoon-in-Khartoum? Hahahaha.
>
> >>Anyway, al-Ahram has the gall to point out what an incompetent idiot
> >>Bush is with this article about "Mission Accomplished".
> >> http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/828/fr1.htm
> >>Jesus H Christ, bloody wogs are getting white.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> ><The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here
>
> >BJ Foster>
>
> >Search and ye shall find:
>
> >Google Blog Search Results 1-10 of about 24 for
> >'A-Woman-and-a-Negro-are-Participating-in-the-campaign' (0.05
> >seconds)
>
> Yeah. They all point to MEMRI, which is a propaganda site run out of Tel
> Aviv.
>
> What is propaganda coming to these days? Maybe the CIA read about
> Saddam's WMD in MEMRI. ROTFL.
>
> You people are about as thick as it gets. I can key some shit into a
> MEMRI blog and next thing it gets reported all over the usual right-wing
> religious fruitcake sites. Before long the CIA picks it up and it lands
> on Bush's desk as "intelligence". Next thing, Egypt will 'need
> democracy' and my shares in Raytheon will jump again. All good - I can
> control the world from a blog!
>
> Stupid white men believing your own propaganda. Thank goodness for the
> Egyptians they don't have any oil.
>
> Please show the original cartoon on Al-Ahram. Key this into Google:
> "site:ahram.org.eg"
>
> It's simply not there 'cos Memri invented it.
It's possible. But Memri has the image of the actual cartoon on their
site. So you are saying they either created it themselves, received
it from a third party in full knowledge it was a fraud, or were duped
by a third party and believe it to be authentic.
It's difficult to prove a fraud...
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Feb 22, 7:29 am, B J Foster <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>
> >>>Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
> >>>insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
> >>>Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
> >>>West.
>
> >>>The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
> >>>"'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
> >>>Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
> >>>another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>
> >>>Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
> >>>speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
> >>>cartoon in Denmark.
>
> >>The least you could do is FIND the cartoons and POST the url here. Has
> >>anyone told you that your propaganda service sucks. I can find any
> >>number of Mumbai-based services that would do the job more effectively
> >>than you for one fifth of the price.
>
> >>So we have to go and look for the alleged cartoon ourselves.
>
> >>Nowhere to be found so you're probably making it up. Trust the religious
> >>far-right to find an oblique way to remind us and a "woman" and a
> >>"negro" whilst attributing the 'racist' comment to someone else. Was the
> >>'cartoon' an Ad? Cartoon-in-Khartoum? Hahahaha.
>
> >>Anyway, al-Ahram has the gall to point out what an incompetent idiot
> >>Bush is with this article about "Mission Accomplished".
> >> http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/828/fr1.htm
> >>Jesus H Christ, bloody wogs are getting white.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Feb 22nd 2007 | 6:26 am
#15
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Posts: n/a
Re: Egyptian newspaper mocks racial and gender equality in the west
"Agki" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> On Feb 22, 8:08 am, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
>> insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
>> Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
>> West.
>>
>> The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
>> "'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
>> Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
>> another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>>
>> Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
>> speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
>> cartoon in Denmark.
>
> It wasn't the Danish cartoons that got all the coverage here. It was
> the Muslim reaction that got it. All people need to get their skins
> thickened with regard to their over-sensitivities. In that regard,
> Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are absolutely right. Religion,
> culture, class position, political affiliation are all open to debate
> and criticism.
>
> Agki
>
I do believe that peejay is trying to pretend that this is one of his own
posts as he doesn't use quotation marks etc. It isn't, of course, he
hasn't the wit.
http://austinvitw.blogspot.com/
However the Egyptian newspaper that did print the cartoon does have wit.
It is quite obviously taking the mickey out of the Imam for reacting in such
a racialist and misogynist fashion. Whatever faults the Islam religion
has they do not include racialism and although in many parts of the Arab
world women are treated as inferiors this attitude is deplored in Egypt.
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> On Feb 22, 8:08 am, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Another cartoon has surfaced that could be considered intolerant and
>> insensitive to a culture's values. But this time, the offenders are of
>> Middle Eastern origin, mocking the racial and gender equality of the
>> West.
>>
>> The Egyptian publication Al-Ahram recently posted a cartoon titled
>> "'Hillary' and 'Obama' - A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the
>> Campaign for the American Presidency". The caption said "This is
>> another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization'."
>>
>> Now let's see how the "American Street" responds to this blatant hate
>> speech. I suspect it will be considerably less coverage than a recent
>> cartoon in Denmark.
>
> It wasn't the Danish cartoons that got all the coverage here. It was
> the Muslim reaction that got it. All people need to get their skins
> thickened with regard to their over-sensitivities. In that regard,
> Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are absolutely right. Religion,
> culture, class position, political affiliation are all open to debate
> and criticism.
>
> Agki
>
I do believe that peejay is trying to pretend that this is one of his own
posts as he doesn't use quotation marks etc. It isn't, of course, he
hasn't the wit.
http://austinvitw.blogspot.com/
However the Egyptian newspaper that did print the cartoon does have wit.
It is quite obviously taking the mickey out of the Imam for reacting in such
a racialist and misogynist fashion. Whatever faults the Islam religion
has they do not include racialism and although in many parts of the Arab
world women are treated as inferiors this attitude is deplored in Egypt.
