Hello everyone

We (me, husband, daughter aged 10) leave in a week for our first trip to
Italy. Things are pretty much organised, but I have one favour to ask. We
have but one day in Venice, and have to catch a train out at 6.30pm - it was
a late addition to the itinerary, and a day was all we could fit in (we are
from Australia, and probably won't get back to Italy for a while, so we
wanted to squeeze in as much as we could manage in this trip).

We have the sights we want to see more or less worked out, but we are
looking for a good eating place for lunch that is more local than tourist,
and one where we might get a good 'feel' for Venice. Would we find such a
place if we just wandered away from the main tourist areas and stopped at
the first place we saw? Any advice/recommendations will be very welcome.
Thanks.

Maree

"Maree Conway" schrieb:

    >We have the sights we want to see more or less worked out, but we are
    >looking for a good eating place for lunch that is more local than tourist,
    >and one where we might get a good 'feel' for Venice. Would we find such a
    >place if we just wandered away from the main tourist areas and stopped at
    >the first place we saw? Any advice/recommendations will be very welcome.

During the day more or less everything is very touristic.
The last time I was at Venice for a longer time I liked
the place around the gardins very beautyful and not too
crouded with tourists (you have to walk a while or have
to know which vaporetto to use). There was a supermarket
(with normal prices) and some smaller shops and restaurants.
More or less everything can be found in the Via Garibaldi
(every italian town has this street) and you just have to
walk from the Piazza St. Marco eastward along the pier.


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In news:[email protected], Maree
Conway
wrote:

    > We have the sights we want to see more or less worked out, but
we are
    > looking for a good eating place for lunch that is more local
than
    > tourist, and one where we might get a good 'feel' for Venice.
    > Would we find such a place if we just wandered away from the
main
    > tourist areas and stopped at the first place we saw? Any
    > advice/recommendations will be very welcome. Thanks.


In my experience, Venice is one of the few places in Italy where
it's very easy to get an ordinary, even bad, meal, if you're not
careful. Getting a good meal in Venice takes some knowing where
to go.

My personal favorite restaurant is Da Franz, but you probably
won't be able to get in without a reservation, and it's far from
the usual tourist sites. It's also expensive. I'm not sure
whether they're open for lunch, but I don't think so.

So forgetting about Da Franz, another excellent choice is Corte
Sconta. It's fish and seafood only, they are open for lunch, and
you can probably get in without a reservation. I recommend it
highly.

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Ken Blake
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there is so much to see and do in venice that i would not take time to hunt
out a restaurant and to wait in line etc. venetian food is "ok"-- the
scenery is spectacular. eat on the train. you will not get a feel for venice
in any restaurant during the day, when tourists dominate.
hows that for one hand?
rjf
"Maree Conway" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hello everyone
    > We (me, husband, daughter aged 10) leave in a week for our first trip to
    > Italy. Things are pretty much organised, but I have one favour to ask. We
    > have but one day in Venice, and have to catch a train out at 6.30pm - it
was
    > a late addition to the itinerary, and a day was all we could fit in (we
are
    > from Australia, and probably won't get back to Italy for a while, so we
    > wanted to squeeze in as much as we could manage in this trip).
    > We have the sights we want to see more or less worked out, but we are
    > looking for a good eating place for lunch that is more local than tourist,
    > and one where we might get a good 'feel' for Venice. Would we find such
a
    > place if we just wandered away from the main tourist areas and stopped at
    > the first place we saw? Any advice/recommendations will be very welcome.
    > Thanks.
    > Maree

Look for Osteria Al Bacco, on Fondamenta Le Capuzine 3054 in
Cannaregio/Ghetto. It's far enough from St. Marco, Rialto and the area
surrounding the station. In Santa Croce at the quiet Campo San Giacomo
dell'Orio 1501, there is Capitan Uncino.

Dave


"Maree Conway" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hello everyone
    > We (me, husband, daughter aged 10) leave in a week for our first trip to
    > Italy. Things are pretty much organised, but I have one favour to ask. We
    > have but one day in Venice, and have to catch a train out at 6.30pm - it
was
    > a late addition to the itinerary, and a day was all we could fit in (we
are
    > from Australia, and probably won't get back to Italy for a while, so we
    > wanted to squeeze in as much as we could manage in this trip).
    > We have the sights we want to see more or less worked out, but we are
    > looking for a good eating place for lunch that is more local than tourist,
    > and one where we might get a good 'feel' for Venice. Would we find such
a
    > place if we just wandered away from the main tourist areas and stopped at
    > the first place we saw? Any advice/recommendations will be very welcome.
    > Thanks.
    > Maree

In article ,
"Ken Blake" wrote:

    > So forgetting about Da Franz, another excellent choice is Corte
    > Sconta. It's fish and seafood only, they are open for lunch, and
    > you can probably get in without a reservation. I recommend it
    > highly.

I like this place, its next to the fish market- look for the little
footbridge to get into the restaurant.

Favorite is Grapa de Uva, also at Rialto.

jay
Sun, Feb 16, 2003
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Absolutely try Do Farai Ostaria 041-2770369 W side Grand Canal appx.
"1 block" very near Fond Rezzonico and the Rezzonico "metro" stop.
Exactly as you outline below. Regards. s

Maree Conway wrote:
    > Hello everyone
    >
    > We (me, husband, daughter aged 10) leave in a week for our first trip to
    > Italy. Things are pretty much organised, but I have one favour to ask. We
    > have but one day in Venice, and have to catch a train out at 6.30pm - it was
    > a late addition to the itinerary, and a day was all we could fit in (we are
    > from Australia, and probably won't get back to Italy for a while, so we
    > wanted to squeeze in as much as we could manage in this trip).
    >
    > We have the sights we want to see more or less worked out, but we are
    > looking for a good eating place for lunch that is more local than tourist,
    > and one where we might get a good 'feel' for Venice. Would we find such a
    > place if we just wandered away from the main tourist areas and stopped at
    > the first place we saw? Any advice/recommendations will be very welcome.
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Maree
    >
    >

To amplify my earlier comments --( I just had a shoulder operationm, so the
typing will be horrid).
Venice has 60,000 people, and ovber 15 million visitors a year - there is no
such place as out of the way. I have a flat over a well reviewed restuarant,
and they never see Venetians at all, nor the same people more than twice.
Lunch is the height of tourist traffic -- everywhere. A couple of pplaces in
the business area -- Madonna, for example, gets some business men regulars
for lunch.A Venetian might eat dinner there twice a year, in winter ( the
granzeola is terrific). During the day the streets ( many are only 7 feet or
less wide) are crowded with slow-moving tourists -- it is impiossible to get
about in any hurry, so Venetians just don't go forth much ( winter is for
venetians). People ,like to think they have found the "real" venice -- they
are kidding themselves. Unless you speak ( heavily) the Venetian dialect,
you won't find it. I have a variety of Venetian friends, and have, thru
them, gotten a mere hint. But, to be honest, the "real" Venice is much like
the "real" Kennebunkport -- small town with people who live and grow up in
it and work in it. Not much glamour, really.
But go for the beauty. It is the most beautiful town ( it isn't really a
city --too small) in the world. The tourist sights are tourist sights
because they are the highlights -- don't avoid them. Eat if you must, but
don't waste time doing it. I spend two or three months a year( for over
forty years) there, and still love to just look. Sometimes I stroll and
look, cursing the tourist-clogged streets, and sometimes I sit and drink an
overpriced aperetif and look. You will be there a very short time -- bite
the bullet and go to St Marks Piazza, and buy a coffee or an ice cream at
Florians -- it will break the bank, but you will have seen the glamorous
Venice that has been there ( full of tourists just likeyou) for over 200
years.
rjf
"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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    > In news:[email protected], Maree
    > Conway
    > wrote:
    > > We have the sights we want to see more or less worked out, but
    > we are
    > > looking for a good eating place for lunch that is more local
    > than
    > > tourist, and one where we might get a good 'feel' for Venice.
    > > Would we find such a place if we just wandered away from the
    > main
    > > tourist areas and stopped at the first place we saw? Any
    > > advice/recommendations will be very welcome. Thanks.
    > In my experience, Venice is one of the few places in Italy where
    > it's very easy to get an ordinary, even bad, meal, if you're not
    > careful. Getting a good meal in Venice takes some knowing where
    > to go.
    > My personal favorite restaurant is Da Franz, but you probably
    > won't be able to get in without a reservation, and it's far from
    > the usual tourist sites. It's also expensive. I'm not sure
    > whether they're open for lunch, but I don't think so.
    > So forgetting about Da Franz, another excellent choice is Corte
    > Sconta. It's fish and seafood only, they are open for lunch, and
    > you can probably get in without a reservation. I recommend it
    > highly.
    > --
    > Ken Blake
    > Please reply to the newsgroup

To add to these comments, as a tourist:

most Venitians seem to lunch in bars(sorta sandwich/coffee+wine by the
glass shops). The sandwiches are piled in the windows.

The easiest places to find, for a tourist is to leave San Marco, cross
in front of the Doge's palace, the prison and the first Danieli
building

Turn left up Calle de Rasse. At the corner is the Verde bar, across
is a brown one(don't know name) Both have tables, and charge about
twice the price for table as bar service.. Have a sandwich(toast, or
pannini), an expresso, or a glass or two of wine. Service is
unblievably fast.

When you leave go West to return to San Marco.

Do not use the places on C d Rasse. If both of these places are full,
cross the Campo Giacomo to the brown bar on the corner next to the
Achucicago(badly spelled).



On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:13:21 GMT, "Bob Fusillo"
wrote:

    >To amplify my earlier comments --( I just had a shoulder operationm, so the
    >typing will be horrid).
    >Venice has 60,000 people, and ovber 15 million visitors a year - there is no
    >such place as out of the way. I have a flat over a well reviewed restuarant,
    >and they never see Venetians at all, nor the same people more than twice.
    >Lunch is the height of tourist traffic -- everywhere. A couple of pplaces in
    >the business area -- Madonna, for example, gets some business men regulars
    >for lunch.A Venetian might eat dinner there twice a year, in winter ( the
    >granzeola is terrific). During the day the streets ( many are only 7 feet or
    >less wide) are crowded with slow-moving tourists -- it is impiossible to get
    >about in any hurry, so Venetians just don't go forth much ( winter is for
    >venetians). People ,like to think they have found the "real" venice -- they
    >are kidding themselves. Unless you speak ( heavily) the Venetian dialect,
    >you won't find it. I have a variety of Venetian friends, and have, thru
    >them, gotten a mere hint. But, to be honest, the "real" Venice is much like
    >the "real" Kennebunkport -- small town with people who live and grow up in
    >it and work in it. Not much glamour, really.
    >But go for the beauty. It is the most beautiful town ( it isn't really a
    >city --too small) in the world. The tourist sights are tourist sights
    >because they are the highlights -- don't avoid them. Eat if you must, but
    >don't waste time doing it. I spend two or three months a year( for over
    >forty years) there, and still love to just look. Sometimes I stroll and
    >look, cursing the tourist-clogged streets, and sometimes I sit and drink an
    >overpriced aperetif and look. You will be there a very short time -- bite
    >the bullet and go to St Marks Piazza, and buy a coffee or an ice cream at
    >Florians -- it will break the bank, but you will have seen the glamorous
    >Venice that has been there ( full of tourists just likeyou) for over 200
    >years.
    >rjf
    >"Ken Blake" wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> In news:[email protected], Maree
    >> Conway
    >> wrote:
    >> > We have the sights we want to see more or less worked out, but
    >> we are
    >> > looking for a good eating place for lunch that is more local
    >> than
    >> > tourist, and one where we might get a good 'feel' for Venice.
    >> > Would we find such a place if we just wandered away from the
    >> main
    >> > tourist areas and stopped at the first place we saw? Any
    >> > advice/recommendations will be very welcome. Thanks.
    >> In my experience, Venice is one of the few places in Italy where
    >> it's very easy to get an ordinary, even bad, meal, if you're not
    >> careful. Getting a good meal in Venice takes some knowing where
    >> to go.
    >> My personal favorite restaurant is Da Franz, but you probably
    >> won't be able to get in without a reservation, and it's far from
    >> the usual tourist sites. It's also expensive. I'm not sure
    >> whether they're open for lunch, but I don't think so.
    >> So forgetting about Da Franz, another excellent choice is Corte
    >> Sconta. It's fish and seafood only, they are open for lunch, and
    >> you can probably get in without a reservation. I recommend it
    >> highly.
    >> --
    >> Ken Blake
    >> Please reply to the newsgroup

Agree, Venice is one of the few places where the food can be very bad
so choose carefully I asked the chef at a one star restaurant in
Verona (Arche - wonderful) for a recommendation in Venice and he said
the chefs in town liked to go to "Al Covo" after hours.

Go north past the Bridge of Sighs and Doge's Palace quite a ways on
the sea side Riva d. Schiavoni and it is to the left on Campiello
della Pescaria 3968 - you will need better directions than that as it
is kind of hidden and away from the tourist center. If you go past the
Gabrielli Sandwirth Hotel, you have gone too far. It is in that
neighborhood right around the corner from that hotel. It is three
bridges up from the canal of the Bridge of Sighs on the R. di
Schiavoni.


He also recommended La Caravella, Trattoria La Mandonna, and Do Forni.

Don't be afraid to try the "liver" - Fegato a la Veniziana - I had it
a the La Fenice restaurant decades ago and it was sublime, wanted to
lick up every last drop. Later at just a random un-stared restaurant
in the Red Michelin, and it was only so-so. Also don't be afraid to
try their "sardines" special either - sweet/sour sauce and quite
delicious for an appetizer.


"Maree Conway" wrote in message news:...
    > Hello everyone
    >
    > We (me, husband, daughter aged 10) leave in a week for our first trip to
    > Italy. Things are pretty much organised, but I have one favour to ask. We
    > have but one day in Venice, and have to catch a train out at 6.30pm - it was
    > a late addition to the itinerary, and a day was all we could fit in (we are
    > from Australia, and probably won't get back to Italy for a while, so we
    > wanted to squeeze in as much as we could manage in this trip).
    >
    > We have the sights we want to see more or less worked out, but we are
    > looking for a good eating place for lunch that is more local than tourist,
    > and one where we might get a good 'feel' for Venice. Would we find such a
    > place if we just wandered away from the main tourist areas and stopped at
    > the first place we saw? Any advice/recommendations will be very welcome.
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Maree