Dutch rush to get ID cards
Jan 13th 2005, 6:55 pm
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Re: Dutch rush to get ID cards
On 13 Jan 2005 09:41:56 -0800, "Jordi" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On 13 Jan 2005 09:23:59 -0800, "Jordi" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >"line of policemen", "helmets' masks", sounds like riot control to
>me.
>> sounds like a bunch of police in riot gear, quite common.
>Do British police office routinely patrol the streets in lines wearing
>riot gear?
Dutch police do when there is a football match.
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Martin
wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On 13 Jan 2005 09:23:59 -0800, "Jordi" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >"line of policemen", "helmets' masks", sounds like riot control to
>me.
>> sounds like a bunch of police in riot gear, quite common.
>Do British police office routinely patrol the streets in lines wearing
>riot gear?
Dutch police do when there is a football match.
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Martin
Jan 13th 2005, 7:06 pm
#92
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Re: Dutch rush to get ID cards
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:24:44 +0100, Tom Peel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:39:09 +0100, "Sjoerd"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Go Fig" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>>>news:100120052346415206%[email protected]...
>>>>Are you avoiding travel to Holland until these
>>>>draconian measures are
>>>>rescinded, IIRC... that was your position on travel to the U.S. due to
>>>>fingerprinting....
>>>Hard for me to avoid travel to "Holland" as it is where my home, love and
>>>work are.
>>>I don't expect anyone will ever ask for my ID within the borders of the
>>>Netherlands, whereas on several short visits to the US I had to produce ID
>>>several times per DAY. (to buy alcohol, to enter a club, to enter a gym,
>>>etc.) So which country has more "draconian" laws?
>>
>>
>> The Netherlands maybe has far more laws that are rarely applied than
>> anywhere else in the EU. Take the Binnenvaart Politie rules in the
>> ANWB Almanac Deel 1 for example. Hundreds of pages of small font boat
>> rules and still a fair percentage of boat users don't know which side
>> of a channel to travel on.
>I thought you needed a boat licence in Holland nowadays? 20 years ago
>you didn't.
Only if you want to be in charge of a boat 12 metres or more long
and/or a boat capable of speeds greater than 15 km/hour.
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:39:09 +0100, "Sjoerd"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Go Fig" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>>>news:100120052346415206%[email protected]...
>>>>Are you avoiding travel to Holland until these
>>>>draconian measures are
>>>>rescinded, IIRC... that was your position on travel to the U.S. due to
>>>>fingerprinting....
>>>Hard for me to avoid travel to "Holland" as it is where my home, love and
>>>work are.
>>>I don't expect anyone will ever ask for my ID within the borders of the
>>>Netherlands, whereas on several short visits to the US I had to produce ID
>>>several times per DAY. (to buy alcohol, to enter a club, to enter a gym,
>>>etc.) So which country has more "draconian" laws?
>>
>>
>> The Netherlands maybe has far more laws that are rarely applied than
>> anywhere else in the EU. Take the Binnenvaart Politie rules in the
>> ANWB Almanac Deel 1 for example. Hundreds of pages of small font boat
>> rules and still a fair percentage of boat users don't know which side
>> of a channel to travel on.
>I thought you needed a boat licence in Holland nowadays? 20 years ago
>you didn't.
Only if you want to be in charge of a boat 12 metres or more long
and/or a boat capable of speeds greater than 15 km/hour.
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Martin
Jan 13th 2005, 7:09 pm
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Re: Dutch rush to get ID cards
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:56:48 +0100, Tom Peel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>May I point out that a) you don't register with the police, you register
>your address with the local authorities. b) same applies in many (most?)
>other European countries.
Fairly recently aliens in NL had to register with the Dutch police
too. The situation doesn't seem very clear anymore. I am living proof
that nobody comes for you in the middle of the night if you don't.
>The Brits think it's their right and privilege to make it impossible to
>prove where they live, or who they are.
Probably because most are doing something illegal :-)
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>May I point out that a) you don't register with the police, you register
>your address with the local authorities. b) same applies in many (most?)
>other European countries.
Fairly recently aliens in NL had to register with the Dutch police
too. The situation doesn't seem very clear anymore. I am living proof
that nobody comes for you in the middle of the night if you don't.
>The Brits think it's their right and privilege to make it impossible to
>prove where they live, or who they are.
Probably because most are doing something illegal :-)
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Martin
Jan 13th 2005, 8:29 pm
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Re: Dutch rush to get ID cards
"nitram" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
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> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:56:48 +0100, Tom Peel
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >May I point out that a) you don't register with the police, you register
> >your address with the local authorities. b) same applies in many (most?)
> >other European countries.
> Fairly recently aliens in NL had to register with the Dutch police
> too.
When my partner just arrived in the Netherlands we were living in a small
village. We went to the local town hall to register him, and the lady told
us that he needed to report to the aliens police, too. So I asked where to
find the local aliens police. She answered "window 3". So we walked over
from window 1 to window 3, she did the same behind the counter, and she
asked us "how can I help you?" :-)
Sjoerd
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> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:56:48 +0100, Tom Peel
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >May I point out that a) you don't register with the police, you register
> >your address with the local authorities. b) same applies in many (most?)
> >other European countries.
> Fairly recently aliens in NL had to register with the Dutch police
> too.
When my partner just arrived in the Netherlands we were living in a small
village. We went to the local town hall to register him, and the lady told
us that he needed to report to the aliens police, too. So I asked where to
find the local aliens police. She answered "window 3". So we walked over
from window 1 to window 3, she did the same behind the counter, and she
asked us "how can I help you?" :-)
Sjoerd
Jan 13th 2005, 8:34 pm
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Re: Dutch rush to get ID cards
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:29:32 +0100, "Sjoerd"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"nitram" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:56:48 +0100, Tom Peel
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >May I point out that a) you don't register with the police, you register
>> >your address with the local authorities. b) same applies in many (most?)
>> >other European countries.
>> Fairly recently aliens in NL had to register with the Dutch police
>> too.
>When my partner just arrived in the Netherlands we were living in a small
>village. We went to the local town hall to register him, and the lady told
>us that he needed to report to the aliens police, too. So I asked where to
>find the local aliens police. She answered "window 3". So we walked over
>from window 1 to window 3, she did the same behind the counter, and she
>asked us "how can I help you?" :-)
LOL not Katwijk an Zee?
I used to pay my gas water&electricity bills to the person at window
number 1 whilst the same person used to send letters to the occupier
of my flat for more 8 years asking me to come in and register at
10:15 a.m.
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"nitram" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:56:48 +0100, Tom Peel
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >May I point out that a) you don't register with the police, you register
>> >your address with the local authorities. b) same applies in many (most?)
>> >other European countries.
>> Fairly recently aliens in NL had to register with the Dutch police
>> too.
>When my partner just arrived in the Netherlands we were living in a small
>village. We went to the local town hall to register him, and the lady told
>us that he needed to report to the aliens police, too. So I asked where to
>find the local aliens police. She answered "window 3". So we walked over
>from window 1 to window 3, she did the same behind the counter, and she
>asked us "how can I help you?" :-)
LOL not Katwijk an Zee?
I used to pay my gas water&electricity bills to the person at window
number 1 whilst the same person used to send letters to the occupier
of my flat for more 8 years asking me to come in and register at
10:15 a.m.
--
Martin
Jan 14th 2005, 7:22 am
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Re: Dutch rush to get ID cards
nitram wrote:
> On 13 Jan 2005 09:41:56 -0800, "Jordi" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> Dutch police do when there is a football match.
By looking at some hooligans I'd rather send the Army :)
J.
> On 13 Jan 2005 09:41:56 -0800, "Jordi" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> Dutch police do when there is a football match.
By looking at some hooligans I'd rather send the Army :)
J.
Jan 14th 2005, 8:14 am
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Re: Dutch rush to get ID cards
On 14 Jan 2005 00:22:46 -0800, "Jordi" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On 13 Jan 2005 09:41:56 -0800, "Jordi" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> Dutch police do when there is a football match.
>By looking at some hooligans I'd rather send the Army :)
The Dutch riot police are para-military, probably modeled on the
French CRS.
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Martin
wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On 13 Jan 2005 09:41:56 -0800, "Jordi" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> Dutch police do when there is a football match.
>By looking at some hooligans I'd rather send the Army :)
The Dutch riot police are para-military, probably modeled on the
French CRS.
--
Martin
Jan 14th 2005, 12:30 pm
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Re: Dutch rush to get ID cards
In article <[email protected]>, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:56:48 +0100, Tom Peel
>>The Brits think it's their right and privilege to make it impossible to
>>prove where they live, or who they are.
>Probably because most are doing something illegal :-)
I don't like the authorities knowing what I'm doing, even when it isn't
illegal. :-)
>On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:56:48 +0100, Tom Peel
>>The Brits think it's their right and privilege to make it impossible to
>>prove where they live, or who they are.
>Probably because most are doing something illegal :-)
I don't like the authorities knowing what I'm doing, even when it isn't
illegal. :-)
Jan 14th 2005, 4:19 pm
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Re: Dutch rush to get ID cards
>> The US has a homogeneous-number system and a much worse problem
>> with identity theft than the UK does. If you can only steal
>> *bits* of somebody's identity you can't do anywhere near as
>> much damage.
> What extra damage could some identity thief in, say, Italy inflict
> that is not possible in the UK?
Get somebody else put in jail for crimes they commit. It's happened
pretty often in the US; see the RISKS digest for ongoing coverage of
such problems. It's only a matter of time before the US executes a
victim of identity theft.
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>> with identity theft than the UK does. If you can only steal
>> *bits* of somebody's identity you can't do anywhere near as
>> much damage.
> What extra damage could some identity thief in, say, Italy inflict
> that is not possible in the UK?
Get somebody else put in jail for crimes they commit. It's happened
pretty often in the US; see the RISKS digest for ongoing coverage of
such problems. It's only a matter of time before the US executes a
victim of identity theft.
============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557
Jan 16th 2005, 7:34 am
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Re: Dutch rush to get ID cards
Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
> Get somebody else put in jail for crimes they commit. It's happened
> pretty often in the US; see the RISKS digest for ongoing coverage of
> such problems. It's only a matter of time before the US executes a
> victim of identity theft.
I don't see how that is connected to an ID card system, but rather to
the special characteristics of the US.
Any cases in France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Norway?
J.
> Get somebody else put in jail for crimes they commit. It's happened
> pretty often in the US; see the RISKS digest for ongoing coverage of
> such problems. It's only a matter of time before the US executes a
> victim of identity theft.
I don't see how that is connected to an ID card system, but rather to
the special characteristics of the US.
Any cases in France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Norway?
J.
