Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 

William Black wrote:

> "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] nk.net...
>
> > [Mind, I don't buy all this "global warming" stuff, most of it is IMNSHO
> > leftist politically - correct bollocks, fueled by the blissninny (Prince
> > Charles is a perfect example of a "blissninny", Algore is another...)
> > hatred
> > of modern industrial economies...]
>
> Here is the news.
>
> The world doesn't care what you think or what I think.
>
> However, if you're wrong we're doomed, and if you're right it doesn't
> really matter what we do anyway...
>
> Think about it...


Exactly...THANK YOU.

Unless you have a VAST amount of wealth or power, an individual can do
*nothing* about the enviroment or anything much else. You can babble on
about "saving" the environment by "recycling", not using air con or
travelling by air or eschewing SUV's...it's *still* just...babble.

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Best
Greg

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread (WAS: Drought in Italy?
 

Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:

> Make credence recognised that on Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT,
> "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>
> >
> >The Reid wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:34 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> aircon is part of the problem.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution
for
> >hot
> >> >weather comfort...
> >>
> >> then you dont understand the nature of the problem
> >
> >
> >Sure I do, it's called, "I'm hot, so I need air conditioning...".
>
> I think this summer I'm gonna be wishing for air-con. I'm bloody warm
> right about now!


Mixi can sell you his old one pretty cheap...if it's going to be the hot
summer that is predicted he'll no doubt need a newer more powerful one!

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Greg

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread (WAS: Drought in Italy?
 

Make credence recognised that on Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT,
"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> has scripted:

>
>The Reid wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:34 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> aircon is part of the problem.
>> >
>> >
>> >Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution for
>hot
>> >weather comfort...
>>
>> then you dont understand the nature of the problem
>
>
>Sure I do, it's called, "I'm hot, so I need air conditioning...".

I think this summer I'm gonna be wishing for air-con. I'm bloody warm
right about now!
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Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 

Make credence recognised that on Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:57:29 GMT,
"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> has scripted:

>Mike's just a typical Brit, he'd rather suffer in silence than do something
>pro - active about being uncomfortable...

:o)

I don't recall air-con anyway in the UK, although possibly it exists.

I do recall a ridiculous notion some 'consultant' came up with to
air-condition the Tube using underground flowing water as a coolant.
Of all the wasted money on earth, how did that become allocated?
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Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread (WAS: Drought in Italy?
 

Make credence recognised that on Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:43:49 GMT,
"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> has scripted:

>
>Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>
>> Make credence recognised that on Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT,
>> "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>
>> >
>> >The Reid wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:34 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> aircon is part of the problem.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution
>for
>> >hot
>> >> >weather comfort...
>> >>
>> >> then you dont understand the nature of the problem
>> >
>> >
>> >Sure I do, it's called, "I'm hot, so I need air conditioning...".
>>
>> I think this summer I'm gonna be wishing for air-con. I'm bloody warm
>> right about now!
>
>
>Mixi can sell you his old one pretty cheap...if it's going to be the hot
>summer that is predicted he'll no doubt need a newer more powerful one!

Given that predictions don't often come true, I'm making plenty right
now.
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Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 

On 4/29/2007 3:14 PM Deeply Filled Mortician jumped down, turned around,
and wrote:

> I don't recall air-con anyway in the UK, although possibly it exists.

During the heat wave of summer 2003, I stayed in two hotels in London
with air-con, and went to a beer festival at the Olympia venue, which
was fitted with air-con too - thankfully. It all worked quite well.
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dgs

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 

"d.g.s." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/29/2007 3:14 PM Deeply Filled Mortician jumped down, turned around,
> and wrote:
>
>> I don't recall air-con anyway in the UK, although possibly it exists.
>
> During the heat wave of summer 2003, I stayed in two hotels in London
> with air-con, and went to a beer festival at the Olympia venue, which
> was fitted with air-con too - thankfully. It all worked quite well.

Most large modern buildings in the UK have air conditioning because of the
way they're designed. They have large spaces that are difficult to
ventilate in the traditional manner.

Often these systems are full 'climate control' systems and heat the
buildings as well as cool them as this is cheaper than adding a separate
heating system.

Older buildings weren't designed like that and don't have it.

Air conditioning is only necessary a few days a year here and it's so
uncommon that everyone enjoys being warm...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Re: Drought in Italy?
 

Am Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:38:48 -0400 schrieb Viking:

> Frank: I forgot you're in Cologne--that's our favorite German city.
> Best cathedral as well. But the last few times we've been there, it
> somehow seems to be getting more and more crowded--hard to park, hard
> even to walk in some places! The area around the Dom and Bahnhof seem
> always full of people.

Right now, they have lots of building in the central city area, and it is a
pain to drive around there. Currently they are building on a new
subway-connection ("North-South-Tunnel"), which means they are digging deep
tunnels everywhere. Should take quite a bit of time until its finished (the
link has a bit of info on it in english):
http://world.nycsubway.org/eu/de/koln.html

Regards,

Frank

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:40:28 GMT, "William Black"
<[email protected]> mangled uncounted electrons thus:

>
>"d.g.s." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/29/2007 3:14 PM Deeply Filled Mortician jumped down, turned around,
>> and wrote:
>>
>>> I don't recall air-con anyway in the UK, although possibly it exists.
>>
>> During the heat wave of summer 2003, I stayed in two hotels in London
>> with air-con, and went to a beer festival at the Olympia venue, which
>> was fitted with air-con too - thankfully. It all worked quite well.
>
>Most large modern buildings in the UK have air conditioning because of the
>way they're designed. They have large spaces that are difficult to
>ventilate in the traditional manner.
>
>Often these systems are full 'climate control' systems and heat the
>buildings as well as cool them as this is cheaper than adding a separate
>heating system.
>
>Older buildings weren't designed like that and don't have it.
>
>Air conditioning is only necessary a few days a year here and it's so
>uncommon that everyone enjoys being warm...

Have you ever had the pleasure of working in a
non-air-conditioned building in the heart of the City of London?
In 2005 the temperature in my office regularly topped 90 degrees
Fahrenheit from late morning until quitting time... :(:(:(

And as for the commuter trains... @_@

Martin D. Pay
Who has a portable air-con unit in his bedroom, being the only
way to get any sleep on hot nights...

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:40:28 GMT, "William Black"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Air conditioning is only necessary a few days a year here and it's so
>uncommon that everyone enjoys being warm...

I've stayed in too many 90+ degree hotels in London, to invariably be
told at the desk "It *never* gets this hot here." Became a standing
joke between me and my traveling companions. I note that these days,
more and more hotels, etc, are being outfitted with a/c.

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 

"Viking" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:40:28 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Air conditioning is only necessary a few days a year here and it's so
>>uncommon that everyone enjoys being warm...
>
> I've stayed in too many 90+ degree hotels in London, to invariably be
> told at the desk "It *never* gets this hot here." Became a standing
> joke between me and my traveling companions. I note that these days,
> more and more hotels, etc, are being outfitted with a/c.

And, as I noted in my post, that's a function of the style of building
rather than a change in the weather.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 

"Martin D. Pay" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...


> Who has a portable air-con unit in his bedroom, being the only
> way to get any sleep on hot nights...

Have you considered a powerful pair of ceiling fans?

It's what I use in India...


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 

Viking <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:40:28 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Air conditioning is only necessary a few days a year here and it's so
> >uncommon that everyone enjoys being warm...
>
> I've stayed in too many 90+ degree hotels in London, to invariably be
> told at the desk "It *never* gets this hot here." Became a standing
> joke between me and my traveling companions. I note that these days,
> more and more hotels, etc, are being outfitted with a/c.

Hotels are not the same as homes though, which is where part of the a/c
argument is. In the height of the summer heat last year, I found hotel
rooms in Birmingham and Cheltenham unbearable while I was still
perfectly comfortable at home in Manchester where the prevailing
temperatures were the same. I think that design makes a big difference,
and I'm not saying that modern design always gets it right.

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Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 

"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1hxem4d.1humgskodasgcN%[email protected]...
> Hotels are not the same as homes though, which is where part of the a/c
> argument is. In the height of the summer heat last year, I found hotel
> rooms in Birmingham and Cheltenham unbearable while I was still
> perfectly comfortable at home in Manchester where the prevailing
> temperatures were the same. I think that design makes a big difference,
> and I'm not saying that modern design always gets it right.

I have actually asked a hotel manager about overheated hotel rooms in the
UK.

He said 'People often complain if it's cold, most people are bright enough
to work out how to turn the radiator off'.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:39:00 GMT, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:1hxem4d.1humgskodasgcN%[email protected]. ..
>> Hotels are not the same as homes though, which is where part of the a/c
>> argument is. In the height of the summer heat last year, I found hotel
>> rooms in Birmingham and Cheltenham unbearable while I was still
>> perfectly comfortable at home in Manchester where the prevailing
>> temperatures were the same. I think that design makes a big difference,
>> and I'm not saying that modern design always gets it right.
>
>I have actually asked a hotel manager about overheated hotel rooms in the
>UK.
>
>He said 'People often complain if it's cold, most people are bright enough
>to work out how to turn the radiator off'.

MIXI!
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Martin