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Chiken Koma Apr 28th 2007 5:08 am

Re: Drought in Italy?
 
On Apr 28, 6:31 pm, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> Make credence recognised that on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:36:51 +0200, Tom
> Peel <[email protected]> has scripted:
>
> >On the other hand, it's been cold and wet in Spain.
>
> Still tediously glorious here, with sunny 16 to 21 deg every day.
> Storms are due in a few days though. Whoopee!!!
> --
> ---
> DFM -http://www.deepfriedmars.com
> ---
> --

30c in Belgium, no rain for 25 days

Gregory Morrow Apr 28th 2007 8:20 am

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread (WAS: Drought in Italy?
 
The Reid wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:31:41 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >So you'll finally get aircon
>
> aircon is part of the problem.


Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution for hot
weather comfort...

--
Best
Greg

-Martin Apr 28th 2007 8:43 am

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread (WAS: Drought in Italy?
 
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:34 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>The Reid wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:31:41 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >So you'll finally get aircon
>>
>> aircon is part of the problem.
>
>
>Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution for hot
>weather comfort...

You can always near a sea that is at 10C and be kept cool by the sea breeze like
us.
--

Martin

Gregory Morrow Apr 28th 2007 8:49 am

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread (WAS: Drought in Italy?
 
Martin wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:34 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >The Reid wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:31:41 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >So you'll finally get aircon
> >>
> >> aircon is part of the problem.
> >
> >
> >Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution for
hot
> >weather comfort...
>
> You can always near a sea that is at 10C and be kept cool by the sea
breeze like
> us.


I thought you lived on a polder...!!!???

"Martin at Polder - by - the Sea..."

--
Best
Greg

-Martin Apr 28th 2007 9:06 am

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread (WAS: Drought in Italy?
 
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:49:53 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Martin wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:34 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >The Reid wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:31:41 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >So you'll finally get aircon
>> >>
>> >> aircon is part of the problem.
>> >
>> >
>> >Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution for
>hot
>> >weather comfort...
>>
>> You can always near a sea that is at 10C and be kept cool by the sea
>breeze like
>> us.
>
>
>I thought you lived on a polder...!!!???
>
>"Martin at Polder - by - the Sea..."

Nah we live near the dunes one of the bits that is a metre above sea level. We
are much too tight to live in place where you have to pay polder tax LOL.
--

Martin

Deeply Filled Mortician Apr 28th 2007 9:13 am

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread (WAS: Drought in Italy?
 
Make credence recognised that on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:34 GMT,
"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> has scripted:

>
>The Reid wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:31:41 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >So you'll finally get aircon
>>
>> aircon is part of the problem.
>
>
>Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution for hot
>weather comfort...

I love the hot weather. It makes icy cold beer all the better!

The only thing intolerable is heat, humidity and mozzies. That is pure
misery.
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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-Martin Apr 28th 2007 9:22 am

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread (WAS: Drought in Italy?
 
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 23:13:09 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Make credence recognised that on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:34 GMT,
>"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>
>>
>>The Reid wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:31:41 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >So you'll finally get aircon
>>>
>>> aircon is part of the problem.
>>
>>
>>Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution for hot
>>weather comfort...
>
>I love the hot weather. It makes icy cold beer all the better!
>
>The only thing intolerable is heat, humidity and mozzies. That is pure
>misery.

plus a plane 500' above your head every 30 seconds.
--

Martin

B Vaughan Apr 29th 2007 7:07 am

Re: Drought in Italy?
 
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:41:25 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Just reading in the US that a massive drought was feared in Italy--the
>story was unclear if it was part of Italy or all of it.
>
>This is the first I've heard of it--anyone know anything further?
>Reports of drought in other places (Austria? Germany?) that might
>affect, among other things, river cruising? We've been considering a
>river cruise, but some years ago ran into a situation where the cruise
>operator (Uniworld) was cutting short cruises due to drought.
>
>Thanks in advance for any info.

This past winter was extremely dry in Italy, as well as rather warm.
Usually there is a lot of snow melt that fills the rivers well into
the summer, but that won't happen this year. Unless the summer is
unusually rainy, some drought is inevitable.

Most Italian rivers aren't suitable for cruising in any case. There is
a mountain ridge the length of the country, with a short fall from the
crest to the sea. Therefore except in the north, where rivers can
meander for some distance, most rivers are narrow and many practically
dry up by the end of summer. There are some short river cruises in the
lower basin of the Po, but they are often off because of low water
levels even in a normal year.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

The Reid Apr 29th 2007 8:18 am

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread (WAS: Drought in Italy?
 
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:34 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> aircon is part of the problem.
>
>
>Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution for hot
>weather comfort...

then you dont understand the nature of the problem (or the various
short term solutions).
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

Gregory Morrow Apr 29th 2007 8:35 am

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread (WAS: Drought in Italy?
 
The Reid wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:34 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> aircon is part of the problem.
> >
> >
> >Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution for
hot
> >weather comfort...
>
> then you dont understand the nature of the problem


Sure I do, it's called, "I'm hot, so I need air conditioning...".

--
Best
Greg

David Horne Apr 29th 2007 8:39 am

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 
The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:34 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> aircon is part of the problem.
> >
> >
> >Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution for hot
> >weather comfort...
>
> then you dont understand the nature of the problem (or the various
> short term solutions).

I think I'm right in saying that last summer was Manchester's warmest,
or near to it. There was never any need for a/c in my flat, despite
having floor to ceiling windows in almost every room, because it is well
designed, and is cross-ventilated. Our flat in Boston is on the shore,
and has cross-ventilation. Even with their hotter summers, there are
only a few days a year where a/c is necessary. I don't understand why
you're even bothering with this conversation, Mike.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Gregory Morrow Apr 29th 2007 8:57 am

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 
David Horne, _the_ chancellor wrote:

> The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:34 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >> aircon is part of the problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >Unless you live in the Hebrides it's pretty much the *only* solution
for hot
> > >weather comfort...
> >
> > then you dont understand the nature of the problem (or the various
> > short term solutions).
>
> I think I'm right in saying that last summer was Manchester's warmest,
> or near to it. There was never any need for a/c in my flat, despite
> having floor to ceiling windows in almost every room, because it is well
> designed, and is cross-ventilated. Our flat in Boston is on the shore,
> and has cross-ventilation. Even with their hotter summers, there are
> only a few days a year where a/c is necessary.


Try spending a summer in Houston, or even Chicago...

Not everyone has a flat on the Boston shore with cross - ventilation...or a
flat in Manchester with tall windows and cross - ventilation.

Next you'll be telling us that there's *really* no need for running water or
airline travel or illumination at night...

[Mind, I don't buy all this "global warming" stuff, most of it is IMNSHO
leftist politically - correct bollocks, fueled by the blissninny (Prince
Charles is a perfect example of a "blissninny", Algore is another...) hatred
of modern industrial economies...]


I don't understand why
> you're even bothering with this conversation, Mike.


Mike's just a typical Brit, he'd rather suffer in silence than do something
pro - active about being uncomfortable...

--
Best
Greg

The Reid Apr 29th 2007 9:15 am

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread (WAS: Drought in Italy?
 
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> then you dont understand the nature of the problem
>
>
>Sure I do, it's called, "I'm hot, so I need air conditioning...".

see above
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

William Black Apr 29th 2007 9:27 am

Re: rfc's Annual "Why Don't Europeans *Get* Aircon?" Thread
 
"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] nk.net...

> [Mind, I don't buy all this "global warming" stuff, most of it is IMNSHO
> leftist politically - correct bollocks, fueled by the blissninny (Prince
> Charles is a perfect example of a "blissninny", Algore is another...)
> hatred
> of modern industrial economies...]

Here is the news.

The world doesn't care what you think or what I think.

However, if you're wrong we're doomed, and if you're right it doesn't
really matter what we do anyway...

Think about it...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Deeply Filled Mortician Apr 29th 2007 9:40 am

Re: Drought in Italy?
 
Make credence recognised that on Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:07:51 +0200, B
Vaughan<[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:41:25 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Just reading in the US that a massive drought was feared in Italy--the
>>story was unclear if it was part of Italy or all of it.
>>
>>This is the first I've heard of it--anyone know anything further?
>>Reports of drought in other places (Austria? Germany?) that might
>>affect, among other things, river cruising? We've been considering a
>>river cruise, but some years ago ran into a situation where the cruise
>>operator (Uniworld) was cutting short cruises due to drought.
>>
>>Thanks in advance for any info.
>
>This past winter was extremely dry in Italy, as well as rather warm.
>Usually there is a lot of snow melt that fills the rivers well into
>the summer, but that won't happen this year. Unless the summer is
>unusually rainy, some drought is inevitable.

We've got a week of rain forecast. I hope it eventuates, even if I'll
get soaked on the scooter.

>Most Italian rivers aren't suitable for cruising in any case. There is
>a mountain ridge the length of the country, with a short fall from the
>crest to the sea. Therefore except in the north, where rivers can
>meander for some distance, most rivers are narrow and many practically
>dry up by the end of summer. There are some short river cruises in the
>lower basin of the Po, but they are often off because of low water
>levels even in a normal year.

I haven't seen the lower basin of the Po, but I didn't expect there to
be any cruises there at all. Isn't it surrounded by flat, mainly
agricultural land?

Certainly the sections I've seen around Pavia are not pretty at all.
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