Dress code in London
Jul 5th 2004, 3:49 am
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Re: Dress code in London
>BrianE wrote:
>> Sabyasachi Basu wrote:
>>
>>> I was reading up about London and came to know that certain
>>> restaurants and even some stores like Harrods strictly enforce a dress
>>> code. It made me wonder what would be a safe choice of clothes white
>>> sightseeing on a weekend. I would hate to miss out on things like the
>>> traditional tea in the afternoon because of "inappropriate" dress.
>>> Sabyasachi
>>
>>
>> You can pretty much where what you want.
>>
>> The harrods story sounds like BS to me.
I read an article somewhere recently about someone being refused
admission to Harrods because she was wearing a pair of ripped jeans
that she had bought (pre-ripped, of course) in Harrods a few days
earlier.
Actually, I think it was in one of the workbooks I use for English
language instruction, published by Cambridge University Press.
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>> Sabyasachi Basu wrote:
>>
>>> I was reading up about London and came to know that certain
>>> restaurants and even some stores like Harrods strictly enforce a dress
>>> code. It made me wonder what would be a safe choice of clothes white
>>> sightseeing on a weekend. I would hate to miss out on things like the
>>> traditional tea in the afternoon because of "inappropriate" dress.
>>> Sabyasachi
>>
>>
>> You can pretty much where what you want.
>>
>> The harrods story sounds like BS to me.
I read an article somewhere recently about someone being refused
admission to Harrods because she was wearing a pair of ripped jeans
that she had bought (pre-ripped, of course) in Harrods a few days
earlier.
Actually, I think it was in one of the workbooks I use for English
language instruction, published by Cambridge University Press.
-----------
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Jul 5th 2004, 4:30 am
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Re: Dress code in London
"Alec" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> ... London is like anywhere else, just dress appropriately.
>> >>
>> >
>> >So whats the difference between dress appropiately and dress code ?
>> >
>> A dress code is explicit. Appropriate dress is not specified, so you
>> are less sure of what is acceptable.
>Dress codes do exist. ...
I know. They are very helpful. They tell me that I don't want to go
into certain establishments.
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>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> ... London is like anywhere else, just dress appropriately.
>> >>
>> >
>> >So whats the difference between dress appropiately and dress code ?
>> >
>> A dress code is explicit. Appropriate dress is not specified, so you
>> are less sure of what is acceptable.
>Dress codes do exist. ...
I know. They are very helpful. They tell me that I don't want to go
into certain establishments.
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Jul 5th 2004, 4:35 am
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Re: Dress code in London
Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> I know. They are very helpful. They tell me that I don't want to go
> into certain establishments.
I think that's going a bit far. There are many restaurants and bars I've
been in, all over the world, which have had some kind of dress code-
usually extremes- i.e. no bare feet, clothes to be worn above the waist.
You've probably been in such places without even knowing it- the dress
codes are sometimes posted in an out of the way place, or at the bottom
of the menu somewhere- depends on the country.
David
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[]
> I know. They are very helpful. They tell me that I don't want to go
> into certain establishments.
I think that's going a bit far. There are many restaurants and bars I've
been in, all over the world, which have had some kind of dress code-
usually extremes- i.e. no bare feet, clothes to be worn above the waist.
You've probably been in such places without even knowing it- the dress
codes are sometimes posted in an out of the way place, or at the bottom
of the menu somewhere- depends on the country.
David
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jul 5th 2004, 4:40 am
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Re: Dress code in London
Following up to Owain
>Why would private clubs have or need a dress code? They have a membership
>list which is a far subtler and more effective way of keeping out
>undesirables.
They probably allow guests, that certainly applies to golf clubs,
which can be snobby (probably because they don't have anything to
be snobby about).
--
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>Why would private clubs have or need a dress code? They have a membership
>list which is a far subtler and more effective way of keeping out
>undesirables.
They probably allow guests, that certainly applies to golf clubs,
which can be snobby (probably because they don't have anything to
be snobby about).
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Jul 5th 2004, 4:44 am
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Re: Dress code in London
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (The Reids) wrote:
> Following up to Owain
>
> >Why would private clubs have or need a dress code? They have a
> membership
> >list which is a far subtler and more effective way of keeping out
> >undesirables.
>
> They probably allow guests
They mostly do (I vaguely recall that one or two don't) - indeed,
providing a place "in town" where one could meet with people was one of
the functions of the gentlemen's clubs. However, the parts of the club
that guests can access may be limited.
[email protected] (The Reids) wrote:
> Following up to Owain
>
> >Why would private clubs have or need a dress code? They have a
> membership
> >list which is a far subtler and more effective way of keeping out
> >undesirables.
>
> They probably allow guests
They mostly do (I vaguely recall that one or two don't) - indeed,
providing a place "in town" where one could meet with people was one of
the functions of the gentlemen's clubs. However, the parts of the club
that guests can access may be limited.
Jul 5th 2004, 4:49 am
#51
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Re: Dress code in London
Following up to David Horne
>> I know. They are very helpful. They tell me that I don't want to go
>> into certain establishments.
>I think that's going a bit far. There are many restaurants and bars I've
>been in, all over the world, which have had some kind of dress code-
>usually extremes- i.e. no bare feet, clothes to be worn above the waist.
>You've probably been in such places without even knowing it- the dress
>codes are sometimes posted in an out of the way place, or at the bottom
>of the menu somewhere- depends on the country.
Hacienda Benazuza had its dress code in the information brochure,
just asking male guests to wear a jacket in the restaurants,
which many didn't do because no doubt they hadn't read it or
didn't have one. Nobody enforced it beyond perhaps tucking them
away in a corner? Young ladies, of course, were welcome in a
short length of string.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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>> I know. They are very helpful. They tell me that I don't want to go
>> into certain establishments.
>I think that's going a bit far. There are many restaurants and bars I've
>been in, all over the world, which have had some kind of dress code-
>usually extremes- i.e. no bare feet, clothes to be worn above the waist.
>You've probably been in such places without even knowing it- the dress
>codes are sometimes posted in an out of the way place, or at the bottom
>of the menu somewhere- depends on the country.
Hacienda Benazuza had its dress code in the information brochure,
just asking male guests to wear a jacket in the restaurants,
which many didn't do because no doubt they hadn't read it or
didn't have one. Nobody enforced it beyond perhaps tucking them
away in a corner? Young ladies, of course, were welcome in a
short length of string.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Jul 5th 2004, 4:51 am
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Re: Dress code in London
"The Reids" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
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> Following up to Owain
> >Why would private clubs have or need a dress code? They have a membership
> >list which is a far subtler and more effective way of keeping out
> >undesirables.
> They probably allow guests, that certainly applies to golf clubs,
> which can be snobby (probably because they don't have anything to
> be snobby about).
In 1960's young folks especially students demonstrated in many ways. It
wasn't rare that caretakers scolded students about negligent dressing at
Finnish universities.
news:[email protected]...
> Following up to Owain
> >Why would private clubs have or need a dress code? They have a membership
> >list which is a far subtler and more effective way of keeping out
> >undesirables.
> They probably allow guests, that certainly applies to golf clubs,
> which can be snobby (probably because they don't have anything to
> be snobby about).
In 1960's young folks especially students demonstrated in many ways. It
wasn't rare that caretakers scolded students about negligent dressing at
Finnish universities.
Jul 5th 2004, 5:05 am
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[email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
>Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> I know. They are very helpful. They tell me that I don't want to go
>> into certain establishments.
>I think that's going a bit far.
I could argue that "certain establishments" can be defined by the
character, rather than the existence, of dress codes. I know this for
sure: where it is obligatory for gentlemen to wear ties, I decline to
be a gentleman.
>There are many restaurants and bars I've
>been in, all over the world, which have had some kind of dress code-
>usually extremes- i.e. no bare feet, clothes to be worn above the waist.
I like to wear some of my clothes below the waist -- it works better
with trousers, for example.
>You've probably been in such places without even knowing it- the dress
>codes are sometimes posted in an out of the way place, or at the bottom
>of the menu somewhere- depends on the country.
Funny: I have never seen the sort of thing you mention. Probably
because I am not a beach person.
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>Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> I know. They are very helpful. They tell me that I don't want to go
>> into certain establishments.
>I think that's going a bit far.
I could argue that "certain establishments" can be defined by the
character, rather than the existence, of dress codes. I know this for
sure: where it is obligatory for gentlemen to wear ties, I decline to
be a gentleman.
>There are many restaurants and bars I've
>been in, all over the world, which have had some kind of dress code-
>usually extremes- i.e. no bare feet, clothes to be worn above the waist.
I like to wear some of my clothes below the waist -- it works better
with trousers, for example.
>You've probably been in such places without even knowing it- the dress
>codes are sometimes posted in an out of the way place, or at the bottom
>of the menu somewhere- depends on the country.
Funny: I have never seen the sort of thing you mention. Probably
because I am not a beach person.
--
PB
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Jul 5th 2004, 5:17 am
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Re: Dress code in London
Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
[]
> >You've probably been in such places without even knowing it- the dress
> >codes are sometimes posted in an out of the way place, or at the bottom
> >of the menu somewhere- depends on the country.
> >
> Funny: I have never seen the sort of thing you mention. Probably
> because I am not a beach person.
It's most definitely not just beach resorts (although they certainly
have such codes sometimes)- they exist in lots of places, in different
countries. Like I said, you've probably been in them without realising
it. I take your point about "certain establishments" though, but dress
codes per se don't suffocate me necessarily. For example, I've been at
"black-tie" dinners in the US where a tuxedo (dinner jacket) was part of
the dress code for men. Yes, I'd rather _not_ be told what to wear, but
I wouldn't say no to the invitation just because of it- it would depend
on whether or not I wanted to go. Then again, as a performer, I often
have to abide by certain dress codes, do I'm used to it.
David
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> [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
[]
> >You've probably been in such places without even knowing it- the dress
> >codes are sometimes posted in an out of the way place, or at the bottom
> >of the menu somewhere- depends on the country.
> >
> Funny: I have never seen the sort of thing you mention. Probably
> because I am not a beach person.
It's most definitely not just beach resorts (although they certainly
have such codes sometimes)- they exist in lots of places, in different
countries. Like I said, you've probably been in them without realising
it. I take your point about "certain establishments" though, but dress
codes per se don't suffocate me necessarily. For example, I've been at
"black-tie" dinners in the US where a tuxedo (dinner jacket) was part of
the dress code for men. Yes, I'd rather _not_ be told what to wear, but
I wouldn't say no to the invitation just because of it- it would depend
on whether or not I wanted to go. Then again, as a performer, I often
have to abide by certain dress codes, do I'm used to it.
David
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Jul 5th 2004, 5:17 am
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Re: Dress code in London
Following up to [email protected]
>> They probably allow guests
>They mostly do (I vaguely recall that one or two don't) - indeed,
>providing a place "in town" where one could meet with people was one of
>the functions of the gentlemen's clubs. However, the parts of the club
>that guests can access may be limited.
I remember a golf club that wouldn't allow women to go to the bar
(and I'm not talking 1950).
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>> They probably allow guests
>They mostly do (I vaguely recall that one or two don't) - indeed,
>providing a place "in town" where one could meet with people was one of
>the functions of the gentlemen's clubs. However, the parts of the club
>that guests can access may be limited.
I remember a golf club that wouldn't allow women to go to the bar
(and I'm not talking 1950).
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Jul 5th 2004, 5:39 am
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[email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
>Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
>[]
>> >You've probably been in such places without even knowing it- the dress
>> >codes are sometimes posted in an out of the way place, or at the bottom
>> >of the menu somewhere- depends on the country.
>> >
>> Funny: I have never seen the sort of thing you mention. Probably
>> because I am not a beach person.
>It's most definitely not just beach resorts (although they certainly
>have such codes sometimes)- they exist in lots of places, in different
>countries. Like I said, you've probably been in them without realising
>it.
Perhaps; it's impossible to gainsay you on a suggestion that I was
unaware of something which might or might not have applied. But I'm
fairly confident that it hasn't happened in an English or French
language environment, and probably not in any Romance Language
environment. I tend to be aware of my environment, and herself is
unable to leave unread anything written or printed -- menus, notices,
yesterday's newspaper abandoned at the next table, care labels on
tablecloths, T-shirts...
>I take your point about "certain establishments" though, but dress
>codes per se don't suffocate me necessarily. For example, I've been at
>"black-tie" dinners in the US where a tuxedo (dinner jacket) was part of
>the dress code for men. Yes, I'd rather _not_ be told what to wear, but
>I wouldn't say no to the invitation just because of it- it would depend
>on whether or not I wanted to go.
I stretch a point occasionally, like wearing a tie to weddings or
funerals. But it is not out of deference to the establishment I visit,
but out of respect of those whom I wish to honour.
>Then again, as a performer, I often
>have to abide by certain dress codes, do I'm used to it.
I'm a performer, too. It's just that nobody pays me for it. Pay me,
and I'll wear a tie.
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>Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
>[]
>> >You've probably been in such places without even knowing it- the dress
>> >codes are sometimes posted in an out of the way place, or at the bottom
>> >of the menu somewhere- depends on the country.
>> >
>> Funny: I have never seen the sort of thing you mention. Probably
>> because I am not a beach person.
>It's most definitely not just beach resorts (although they certainly
>have such codes sometimes)- they exist in lots of places, in different
>countries. Like I said, you've probably been in them without realising
>it.
Perhaps; it's impossible to gainsay you on a suggestion that I was
unaware of something which might or might not have applied. But I'm
fairly confident that it hasn't happened in an English or French
language environment, and probably not in any Romance Language
environment. I tend to be aware of my environment, and herself is
unable to leave unread anything written or printed -- menus, notices,
yesterday's newspaper abandoned at the next table, care labels on
tablecloths, T-shirts...
>I take your point about "certain establishments" though, but dress
>codes per se don't suffocate me necessarily. For example, I've been at
>"black-tie" dinners in the US where a tuxedo (dinner jacket) was part of
>the dress code for men. Yes, I'd rather _not_ be told what to wear, but
>I wouldn't say no to the invitation just because of it- it would depend
>on whether or not I wanted to go.
I stretch a point occasionally, like wearing a tie to weddings or
funerals. But it is not out of deference to the establishment I visit,
but out of respect of those whom I wish to honour.
>Then again, as a performer, I often
>have to abide by certain dress codes, do I'm used to it.
I'm a performer, too. It's just that nobody pays me for it. Pay me,
and I'll wear a tie.
--
PB
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Jul 5th 2004, 6:54 am
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Re: Dress code in London
Padraig Breathnach wrote:
> "Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>
>
>>>... London is like anywhere else, just dress appropriately.
>>So whats the difference between dress appropiately and dress code ?
>
> A dress code is explicit. Appropriate dress is not specified, so you
> are less sure of what is acceptable.
And of course, that leaves the OP with the question of "What is
considered 'appropriate'?" in the situation about which (s)he was asking!
>
> "Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>
>
>>>... London is like anywhere else, just dress appropriately.
>>So whats the difference between dress appropiately and dress code ?
>
> A dress code is explicit. Appropriate dress is not specified, so you
> are less sure of what is acceptable.
And of course, that leaves the OP with the question of "What is
considered 'appropriate'?" in the situation about which (s)he was asking!
>
Jul 5th 2004, 7:00 am
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"Alan Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > In answer to the question, Dress Codes hardly exist in London outside
> > the rarified atmosphere of private clubs
>
> There was a splendid example in the obituary of someone who spectacularly
> expired of a heart attack just after consuming his beef Wellington at his
> seventieth birthday party at (IIRC) the Athenaeum. As the corpse was
> removed, a club servant asked the guest who had removed his jacket, while
> vigorously thumping the dying man's chest in an attempt to revive him, to
> put it back on.
>
> Alan Harrison
... and Peter O'Toole flatly refused to don a jacket while dining at
the Savoy grill, so the Maitre d' erected a barrier around his table
to ensure that
other diners would not be shocked by his lack of form.
Dave
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > In answer to the question, Dress Codes hardly exist in London outside
> > the rarified atmosphere of private clubs
>
> There was a splendid example in the obituary of someone who spectacularly
> expired of a heart attack just after consuming his beef Wellington at his
> seventieth birthday party at (IIRC) the Athenaeum. As the corpse was
> removed, a club servant asked the guest who had removed his jacket, while
> vigorously thumping the dying man's chest in an attempt to revive him, to
> put it back on.
>
> Alan Harrison
... and Peter O'Toole flatly refused to don a jacket while dining at
the Savoy grill, so the Maitre d' erected a barrier around his table
to ensure that
other diners would not be shocked by his lack of form.
Dave
Jul 5th 2004, 7:02 am
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> >
>
> So whats the difference between dress appropiately and dress code ?
If you have to ask....
Sorry, but you walked into that one.
Dave
>
> So whats the difference between dress appropiately and dress code ?
If you have to ask....
Sorry, but you walked into that one.
Dave
Jul 5th 2004, 7:07 am
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[email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:30:31 -0500, jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > my husband always
> >wears his travel blazer and slacks in London and we have never been
> >turned away from these kinds of places -- plus it just looks more
> >appropriate for city life
>
> I've never worn a jacket in London, and have never been turned away
> from any of those sort of place either.
>
> Jim.
Slacks. AGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:30:31 -0500, jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > my husband always
> >wears his travel blazer and slacks in London and we have never been
> >turned away from these kinds of places -- plus it just looks more
> >appropriate for city life
>
> I've never worn a jacket in London, and have never been turned away
> from any of those sort of place either.
>
> Jim.
Slacks. AGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
