Don't drink the water, on the planes that is!
Jan 20th 2005, 5:59 pm
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"nitram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:15:34 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >nitram writes:
> >
> >> In England the tap water is filtered, chlorinated and potable.
> >
> >Maybe, but that doesn't matter if it's not the source of the water
> >supplied on trains.
> Where else would it come from?
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> Martin
After it sets in the tanks as week or so, the clorine is gone. Then little
bugs can live the good life.
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> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:15:34 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >nitram writes:
> >
> >> In England the tap water is filtered, chlorinated and potable.
> >
> >Maybe, but that doesn't matter if it's not the source of the water
> >supplied on trains.
> Where else would it come from?
> --
> Martin
After it sets in the tanks as week or so, the clorine is gone. Then little
bugs can live the good life.
Jan 20th 2005, 7:30 pm
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Re: Don't drink the water, on the planes that is!
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 05:24:13 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>nitram writes:
>> Where else would it come from?
>Systems that deliver relatively clean but non-potable water, such as
>exist in many cities (including Paris). Water from these networks is
>cheaper than water from the drinking-water networks. It's pretty clean
>but not necessarily safe to drink. It may simply be clarified river
>water or something like that.
but there isn't such a system in UK AFAIK.
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Martin
wrote:
>nitram writes:
>> Where else would it come from?
>Systems that deliver relatively clean but non-potable water, such as
>exist in many cities (including Paris). Water from these networks is
>cheaper than water from the drinking-water networks. It's pretty clean
>but not necessarily safe to drink. It may simply be clarified river
>water or something like that.
but there isn't such a system in UK AFAIK.
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Martin
Jan 20th 2005, 7:34 pm
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:47:37 +0000, Jack Campin - bogus address
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> It isn't just about drinking the stuff, nor is just planes, nor is it
>>> just the US. I once got a week of diarrhoea from cleaning my teeth/
>>> denture in the water on a British sleeper train.
>> There is no way you could know that for sure. It could have come from
>> any of number of places, and the incubation time would have assured
>> you could not trace it with any certainty.
>My girlfriend does food toxicity detective work for a living.
>I do know the methodology, as does anyone working in public
>health epidemiology. Sometimes it's hard to tell, sometimes
>it's easy. This was one of the easy ones.
So how did she know it was the train water supply?
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> It isn't just about drinking the stuff, nor is just planes, nor is it
>>> just the US. I once got a week of diarrhoea from cleaning my teeth/
>>> denture in the water on a British sleeper train.
>> There is no way you could know that for sure. It could have come from
>> any of number of places, and the incubation time would have assured
>> you could not trace it with any certainty.
>My girlfriend does food toxicity detective work for a living.
>I do know the methodology, as does anyone working in public
>health epidemiology. Sometimes it's hard to tell, sometimes
>it's easy. This was one of the easy ones.
So how did she know it was the train water supply?
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Martin
Jan 20th 2005, 7:44 pm
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:28:42 -0500, S Viemeister
<[email protected]> wrote:
>TCS wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:24:18 -0500, S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Every time I've taken the sleeper to London, bottled water has been
>> >provided in the cabin. It's easy to remember not to _drink_ the tapwater,
>> >but very easy to unthinkingly brush your teeth with it.
>>
>> Not really. How about if the water was literally brown? Would you then
>> think "I can't drink that.. but I'll rinse my mouth with it"?
>Until the last couple of years, the tapwater in my village was pale
>gold/light brown, being drawn from peaty sources.
Our tap water is pumped out of the local dunes it also is
gold/lightbrown. It is potable.
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>TCS wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:24:18 -0500, S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Every time I've taken the sleeper to London, bottled water has been
>> >provided in the cabin. It's easy to remember not to _drink_ the tapwater,
>> >but very easy to unthinkingly brush your teeth with it.
>>
>> Not really. How about if the water was literally brown? Would you then
>> think "I can't drink that.. but I'll rinse my mouth with it"?
>Until the last couple of years, the tapwater in my village was pale
>gold/light brown, being drawn from peaty sources.
Our tap water is pumped out of the local dunes it also is
gold/lightbrown. It is potable.
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Martin
Jan 20th 2005, 7:45 pm
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:37:40 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:47:37 +0000, Jack Campin - bogus address
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> It isn't just about drinking the stuff, nor is just planes, nor is it
>>>> just the US. I once got a week of diarrhoea from cleaning my teeth/
>>>> denture in the water on a British sleeper train.
>>> There is no way you could know that for sure. It could have come from
>>> any of number of places, and the incubation time would have assured
>>> you could not trace it with any certainty.
>>My girlfriend does food toxicity detective work for a living.
>>I do know the methodology, as does anyone working in public
>>health epidemiology. Sometimes it's hard to tell, sometimes
>>it's easy. This was one of the easy ones.
>You took a sample of the water and tested it?
or she took Jack's teeth to a lab.
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:47:37 +0000, Jack Campin - bogus address
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> It isn't just about drinking the stuff, nor is just planes, nor is it
>>>> just the US. I once got a week of diarrhoea from cleaning my teeth/
>>>> denture in the water on a British sleeper train.
>>> There is no way you could know that for sure. It could have come from
>>> any of number of places, and the incubation time would have assured
>>> you could not trace it with any certainty.
>>My girlfriend does food toxicity detective work for a living.
>>I do know the methodology, as does anyone working in public
>>health epidemiology. Sometimes it's hard to tell, sometimes
>>it's easy. This was one of the easy ones.
>You took a sample of the water and tested it?
or she took Jack's teeth to a lab.
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Martin
Jan 20th 2005, 7:47 pm
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:40:08 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:55:33 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
>> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>There is no way you could know that for sure. It could have come from
>>>any of number of places, and the incubation time would have assured
>>>you could not trace it with any certainty.
>>
>>
>> Maybe Jack dropped his teeth in the pan. It happens.
>LOL! You remind me of the woman on my cat newsgroup who
>mislaid her "partial" (bridgework). She discovered that the
>pair of mischievous kittens who were making her life
>"interesting" had found it, and buried it in their litterbox!
LOL
I was thinking of a friend, who drank much too much, was sick in the
pub toilet . Only when he got back to the bar did he find his teeth
had gone.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:55:33 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
>> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>There is no way you could know that for sure. It could have come from
>>>any of number of places, and the incubation time would have assured
>>>you could not trace it with any certainty.
>>
>>
>> Maybe Jack dropped his teeth in the pan. It happens.
>LOL! You remind me of the woman on my cat newsgroup who
>mislaid her "partial" (bridgework). She discovered that the
>pair of mischievous kittens who were making her life
>"interesting" had found it, and buried it in their litterbox!
LOL
I was thinking of a friend, who drank much too much, was sick in the
pub toilet . Only when he got back to the bar did he find his teeth
had gone.
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Martin
Jan 20th 2005, 11:46 pm
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nitram writes:
> but there isn't such a system in UK AFAIK.
The UK is a big place. Urban areas are increasingly using water
reclamation and dual distribution systems all over the world to conserve
supplies of fresh water.
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> but there isn't such a system in UK AFAIK.
The UK is a big place. Urban areas are increasingly using water
reclamation and dual distribution systems all over the world to conserve
supplies of fresh water.
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Jan 21st 2005, 12:25 am
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>> In England the tap water is filtered, chlorinated and potable.
>Maybe, but that doesn't matter if it's not the source of the water
>supplied on trains.
where else would they get it? There isn't a non potable water
supply in UK as far as I know.
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>> In England the tap water is filtered, chlorinated and potable.
>Maybe, but that doesn't matter if it's not the source of the water
>supplied on trains.
where else would they get it? There isn't a non potable water
supply in UK as far as I know.
--
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Jan 21st 2005, 12:25 am
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>> but there isn't such a system in UK AFAIK.
>The UK is a big place. Urban areas are increasingly using water
>reclamation and dual distribution systems all over the world to conserve
>supplies of fresh water.
Thatcher suggested lowering the standards, but we never did, one
of the few cut price Thatcherisms we didnt get lumbered with. I
dont there are any dual systems in UK.
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>> but there isn't such a system in UK AFAIK.
>The UK is a big place. Urban areas are increasingly using water
>reclamation and dual distribution systems all over the world to conserve
>supplies of fresh water.
Thatcher suggested lowering the standards, but we never did, one
of the few cut price Thatcherisms we didnt get lumbered with. I
dont there are any dual systems in UK.
--
Mike Reid
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Jan 21st 2005, 12:47 am
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:25:13 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Mxsmanic
>>> but there isn't such a system in UK AFAIK.
>>The UK is a big place. Urban areas are increasingly using water
>>reclamation and dual distribution systems all over the world to conserve
>>supplies of fresh water.
>Thatcher suggested lowering the standards, but we never did, one
>of the few cut price Thatcherisms we didnt get lumbered with. I
>dont there are any dual systems in UK.
I remember that around 35 years ago, Cocoa Beach Fl. had a supply of
semi treated sewage that was used for watering gardens and lawns etc.
Nowadays they seem to drink it :-)
http://www.ci.cocoa-beach.fl.us/news/PublicNotices.htm
" City of Cocoa Public Water Notice: A 54" diameter water
transmission main was placed into service. When placed, the flow of
water suspended cement lining residue resulting in gray colored water.
Despite the color appearance, the water is safe to drink. However,
Cocoa encourages the use of a filtered or water supply until the water
has flushed and cloudiness is gone. Questions - (407) 568-5867. "
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Mxsmanic
>>> but there isn't such a system in UK AFAIK.
>>The UK is a big place. Urban areas are increasingly using water
>>reclamation and dual distribution systems all over the world to conserve
>>supplies of fresh water.
>Thatcher suggested lowering the standards, but we never did, one
>of the few cut price Thatcherisms we didnt get lumbered with. I
>dont there are any dual systems in UK.
I remember that around 35 years ago, Cocoa Beach Fl. had a supply of
semi treated sewage that was used for watering gardens and lawns etc.
Nowadays they seem to drink it :-)
http://www.ci.cocoa-beach.fl.us/news/PublicNotices.htm
" City of Cocoa Public Water Notice: A 54" diameter water
transmission main was placed into service. When placed, the flow of
water suspended cement lining residue resulting in gray colored water.
Despite the color appearance, the water is safe to drink. However,
Cocoa encourages the use of a filtered or water supply until the water
has flushed and cloudiness is gone. Questions - (407) 568-5867. "
--
Martin
Jan 21st 2005, 4:00 am
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nitram wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:28:42 -0500, S Viemeister
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>TCS wrote:
>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:24:18 -0500, S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Every time I've taken the sleeper to London, bottled water has been
>>>>provided in the cabin. It's easy to remember not to _drink_ the tapwater,
>>>>but very easy to unthinkingly brush your teeth with it.
>>>Not really. How about if the water was literally brown? Would you then
>>>think "I can't drink that.. but I'll rinse my mouth with it"?
>>Until the last couple of years, the tapwater in my village was pale
>>gold/light brown, being drawn from peaty sources.
>
>
> Our tap water is pumped out of the local dunes it also is
> gold/lightbrown. It is potable.
It may even keep potable quite long. The highly tannic swamp water from
the swamps of South Carolina was used by the early US navy for long storage.
The filter that I use to improve the taste of water is very specific
that the purified water must be refrigerated for storage.
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:28:42 -0500, S Viemeister
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>TCS wrote:
>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:24:18 -0500, S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Every time I've taken the sleeper to London, bottled water has been
>>>>provided in the cabin. It's easy to remember not to _drink_ the tapwater,
>>>>but very easy to unthinkingly brush your teeth with it.
>>>Not really. How about if the water was literally brown? Would you then
>>>think "I can't drink that.. but I'll rinse my mouth with it"?
>>Until the last couple of years, the tapwater in my village was pale
>>gold/light brown, being drawn from peaty sources.
>
>
> Our tap water is pumped out of the local dunes it also is
> gold/lightbrown. It is potable.
It may even keep potable quite long. The highly tannic swamp water from
the swamps of South Carolina was used by the early US navy for long storage.
The filter that I use to improve the taste of water is very specific
that the purified water must be refrigerated for storage.
Jan 21st 2005, 4:02 am
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The Reids wrote:
> Following up to Mxsmanic
>
>
>>>In England the tap water is filtered, chlorinated and potable.
>>Maybe, but that doesn't matter if it's not the source of the water
>>supplied on trains.
>
>
> where else would they get it? There isn't a non potable water
> supply in UK as far as I know.
Unless it is well fortified with preserving chemicals potable water can
quickly become non potable.
> Following up to Mxsmanic
>
>
>>>In England the tap water is filtered, chlorinated and potable.
>>Maybe, but that doesn't matter if it's not the source of the water
>>supplied on trains.
>
>
> where else would they get it? There isn't a non potable water
> supply in UK as far as I know.
Unless it is well fortified with preserving chemicals potable water can
quickly become non potable.
Jan 21st 2005, 4:18 am
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:02:25 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The Reids wrote:
>> Following up to Mxsmanic
>>
>>
>>>>In England the tap water is filtered, chlorinated and potable.
>>>Maybe, but that doesn't matter if it's not the source of the water
>>>supplied on trains.
>>
>>
>> where else would they get it? There isn't a non potable water
>> supply in UK as far as I know.
>Unless it is well fortified with preserving chemicals potable water can
>quickly become non potable.
Yes
Britain chlorinates water for this reason.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>The Reids wrote:
>> Following up to Mxsmanic
>>
>>
>>>>In England the tap water is filtered, chlorinated and potable.
>>>Maybe, but that doesn't matter if it's not the source of the water
>>>supplied on trains.
>>
>>
>> where else would they get it? There isn't a non potable water
>> supply in UK as far as I know.
>Unless it is well fortified with preserving chemicals potable water can
>quickly become non potable.
Yes
Britain chlorinates water for this reason.
--
Martin
Jan 21st 2005, 4:36 am
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> S Viemeister writes:
>
>
>>Yes - but Jack didn't actually _drink_ that water!
>
>
> Brushing one's teeth with it is the same thing.
>
Brush with vodka. It kills all the germs.
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> S Viemeister writes:
>
>
>>Yes - but Jack didn't actually _drink_ that water!
>
>
> Brushing one's teeth with it is the same thing.
>
Brush with vodka. It kills all the germs.
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Jan 21st 2005, 5:07 am
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nitram wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:02:25 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>The Reids wrote:
>>>Following up to Mxsmanic
>>>>>In England the tap water is filtered, chlorinated and potable.
>>>>Maybe, but that doesn't matter if it's not the source of the water
>>>>supplied on trains.
>>>where else would they get it? There isn't a non potable water
>>>supply in UK as far as I know.
>>Unless it is well fortified with preserving chemicals potable water can
>>quickly become non potable.
>
>
> Yes
>
> Britain chlorinates water for this reason.
But, unless you seal it off airtight, the clorination will drop off.
That can be a problem in aircraft tanks. The water is fine when
refilled but then goes bad if it stands around.
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:02:25 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>The Reids wrote:
>>>Following up to Mxsmanic
>>>>>In England the tap water is filtered, chlorinated and potable.
>>>>Maybe, but that doesn't matter if it's not the source of the water
>>>>supplied on trains.
>>>where else would they get it? There isn't a non potable water
>>>supply in UK as far as I know.
>>Unless it is well fortified with preserving chemicals potable water can
>>quickly become non potable.
>
>
> Yes
>
> Britain chlorinates water for this reason.
But, unless you seal it off airtight, the clorination will drop off.
That can be a problem in aircraft tanks. The water is fine when
refilled but then goes bad if it stands around.
